2006 COTUT Format

[ultimate7]

Could we not examine the possibility of 4 6 team round robin mini tourneys, with the top two of each competing in a round 2, 8 man tourney, conventional cotut style?

The main problem with pool play when you are paying to say 4 spots, is you could be the 3rd best player at the tourney, get put into a pool with #1 and #2, and not advance, which would suck.

[SmokedUBad13]

That's one possibility.  Another I was thinking of would be to just simply set up 24 players as usual, 12 in each bracket.  There wouldn't be any byes until the third round of the championship bracket (top/winner's bracket).  In the third round, there would be three players left.  A 'strength of victory' average could be calculated for each of those players' first two series.  Whoever has the highest average would automatically receive the bye for that round.

We could base the average off numerous stats... avg margin of victory, avg margin of series victory, or even more detailed stats such as hits and strike outs.  My roomate and I created an average like that a couple years ago.  I believe we based it off of hits, strikeouts, and runs (with each accounting for a particular percentage of the equation).

Ultimate brings up a strong point.  With the above mentioned setup, nobody with hardcore skills would be eliminated that quickly.  At worst, they'd drop to the consolation bracket and still have a chance to win it all.

[JoeDirt]

Well, that is why I said to have the top two from each mini-tourney advance...'cause under the current 16 player set up, the 3rd best player still doesn't necessarily get 3rd place...he could face player #1 in rd 1 and have player 1 beat player 2 in round 2...making player 2 and 3 play in loser's bracket...

But anyway, it's good that we're discussing the possibilities...it's definitely a start.

Off of the top of my head, I think I'd be opposed to an average system (not that I have a say in the matter--this is simply for purposes of a healthy discussion and meant to ultimately create the best possible COTUT--you know I'm already a huge fan of your work in this field).  I say that just because in RBI, much like in baseball--it isn't really germane as to how many hits you have...only runs.  Plus, those who take take take are penalized...despite the strategy being a recommended one my most RBI experts.

[Gantry]

From my perspective, the "B" tourney would simply be a way to get more folks playing RBI.  I hope to plan the next Dee-Nee gathering at the same time as your COTUT.  It will be mass chaos but I think that is the best way to get as many folks in chicago as we can.  I think most dee-nee members want to play RBI and meet up with everyone else. 

Folks like mclane, fighton, flood (if he can get up) etc will love to get some RBI in while we meet up with everyone else, just like in Columbus.  We're too cheap and lack the skills for the big tourney, but still want to meet up with hardcore RBI'ers and dee-nee regulars...

That probably didn't make any sense, but I think I need to start planning things a bit better...

[JoeDirt]

Yeah, that is true, too.  That's why I had the different levels of entry fee in the OH tourney--but a "B" tourney probably makes more sense 'cause you don't have any "A" tourney players getting the luck of the draw in playing B type players.

The only hiccup with that is if there are any A players who still want to play....they now have no choice but to join tourney B and easily run the table.

I do know of four A players that had the intention of joining (Attezz, Octo, Steve Katz, and Josh Payne)...

[malnuboy]

well like I said before if this little shin-dig is indeed the DEENEE fest as well then I'm in!

B-team ofcourse.

[fknmclane]

I think I could compete with the big buys but there are a few things standing in the way, namely the fact that it is already full, that I have a bit of what could be characterized as an "alcohol problem" and that I'm a cheap bastard.

[SmokedUBad13]

Well, that is why I said to have the top two from each mini-tourney advance...'cause under the current 16 player set up, the 3rd best player still doesn't necessarily get 3rd place...he could face player #1 in rd 1 and have player 1 beat player 2 in round 2...making player 2 and 3 play in loser's bracket...

I think I hear what you're saying.  The only other drawback is that people would be joining a $100 tournament and might not even have the opportunity to play in the real deal if they get knocked out of the mini-tourney.  That would really suck.  Anyway, I really feel having mini-tournaments before the actual one would be too time consuming.  We'd have to throw in a whole extra day to accomplish that because the 16 player tourney is on a tight enough schedule as is.  We're going to have to work on this or simply deal with the fact that there aren't enough roster spots to meet the demand.  I can't imagine turning players down though if they want to play.

Folks like mclane, fighton, flood (if he can get up) etc will love to get some RBI in while we meet up with everyone else, just like in Columbus.  We're too cheap and lack the skills for the big tourney, but still want to meet up with hardcore RBI'ers and dee-nee regulars...

Has 'Dee-Nee Fest' been defined yet?  If so, is it going to consist of a tournament?  I was under the impression (and hoping) that a tournament would be a part of the festivities.  If that's the case, then there's probably not a need for the COTUT to host a "B" tourney if most of those participating in it would be in the Dee-Nee tourney.  Any help I can get to alleviate the physical/mental drain that goes along with organizing a potential 32 player tournament is greatly appreciated.  Either way, it should be mandatory that the COTUT and Dee-Nee Fest occur during the same weekend.

[Gantry]

That is the plan, to have a cheaper version of the COTUT during the same weekend, along with all the other festivities.  The next question is logistics - if we hold both tourneys at the same time, would they be at the same place?  I would gladly offer up the dee-nee house, but I odn't know if it is large enough for two full tourneys.  That and if it was all done at one hotel people don't have the problems with travel...