2 RBIers being snubbed by the Hall...

[Bonny]

Jack Morris:  best post season pitcher of his era.  Numbers and other non-quantitative analysis prove this.  Also, he was the ace of his whatever staff he pitched on for like 17 years.  Better pitcher than Nolan Ryan....

I did some non-quantitive analysis of my own, and even looked at some numbers. I came to the conclusion that this is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. Ryan vs Morris? Come on.

I dont buy Morris being the best postseason pitcher of his era either. Compare to

Dave Stewart 10-6 2.84
Orel Hershiser 8-3  2.59
Jack Morris 7-4 3.80
I think your blinded by that long ass start Morris had.

[Ryno23]

Ryan played on some crappy teams, but his teams' career winning pct is over .500.

I took every team he played on, tallied their w/l and got that pct.

I was surprised.


Still, Nolan is the shit.  Tons better than Jack Morris.


I will say this.  Nolan Ryan is no Manny Trillo.

[BeeJay]

Steve Avery, postseason superstar

10 Postseason Series   6-4, 2.90 era, 77.7 innings


Jack Morris was a good pitcher, but his postseason stats don't do much to make me think he's a hall of famer.  It's the regular season stuff that really matters.  Some great players, cough, Nolan Ryan, cough, never even get the chance to dominate the playoffs.

[JoeDirt]

I will say this.  Nolan Ryan is no Manny Trillo.

By that, do you mean he's not a Latino middle infielder?  

[Ryno23]

Post season prowess should only add to a player's chances for the HOF.  Lack of post season prowess should not take a way from it.

The post season is just gravy to me (when looking at HOF-a-bility).

It's a team thing.  One player cannot gain a post season berth, therefore,  that can't be a determining factor.

I'm sure if there were a way, Nolan Ryan, Andre Dawson, Jim Rice, Ryne Sandberg, and others would have single handedly led their teams to a WS title.  They'd have pitched, caught, played IF, OF, RP, and closed out games if they had to. . . but that's no the way it goes.

Fuck, I guess Jose Oquendo is the only hall worthy player.  He's come closest to doing it all by himself.

[aldrete bastard]

Also look at Sandberg's fielding percentage...its amazing..he is a no brainer to be in the hall

And come there is no comparison...I love Morris but he is no Nolan Ryan...7 no hitters speak for themselves

[Mike D.]

Cecil Fielder should be in the Hall.

[TβG]

uh, mike.  i think we're talking about rbi'ers not players who resembled them.

[Mike D.]

True.  That eliminates my next argument for Steve Balboni.  I once saw him drop three out the stadium home runs for the Oklahoma City 89ers.

[Shooty]

I think Jack Morris should be in.  When me and my buddies discuss the best players in the 80's, he is invaraibaly picked in the top 2 of AL Starters (then again, Stieb is usually in there and he isn't HHOF worthy).  Morris was pretty dominating for a good number of years and pitched in the WS for 3 different teams which is pretty decent...although he sucked the hind tit for the Jays in '92.  Also any comparison between him and Nolan Ryan is ludicrous.  Ryan dominates that head-to-head.  Sandberg should also be in as those are pretty great numbers for a second baseman.  (On a side note, does Robbie Alomar get in as well).  
Mattingly also deserves a nod eventually.  And U.L. Washington.

[ultimate7]

Holy crap, Morris had 175 career complete games, with at least 9 every year from 1979-1991 (20 in 1983), that is impressive.

[Shooty]

Holy crap, Morris had 175 career complete games, with at least 9 every year from 1979-1991 (20 in 1983), that is impressive.

Especially with Guillermo Mellancamp in the pen from '84 onwards