Jim Rice-- Finally may be a HOF

[Attezzobal]

I say there should be some way for actual players to vote on the hall of fame.  I'd imagine many of the writers wouldn't know Jim Rice if he walked up and bit them on the ass.

Yeah, they need some sort of committee, they could call it a "Veterans Committee" or something like that.

In no way is Jim Rice a hall of famer. But he will be once the Veterans Committee votes.

[malnuboy]

Theres this tall old black dude that shops at my supermarket, I refer to him as Jim Rice.

He can barely walk, I feel bad for him. He was such an athlete at one time.

[Attezzobal]

Is it Ron Santo?

I once got my picture taken with an old black dude wearing a Jets Keyshawn Johnson jersey, it was my friend's cell phone wallpaper for the longest time.

[Attezzobal]

Also, as for Jim Rice.

Career numbers, he's only in the top 50 in GIDP, Sac Flies (which is how Frank Thomas will get in), and Strike outs.

NOT a hall of famer. If he makes the hall of fame, may as well put Bernie Williams in as well.

[Stock]

Also, as for Jim Rice.

Career numbers, he's only in the top 50 in GIDP, Sac Flies (which is how Frank Thomas will get in), and Strike outs.

NOT a hall of famer. If he makes the hall of fame, may as well put Bernie Williams in as well.

Now, let's not start saying things we can't take back.

[RedBarron]

I say there should be some way for actual players to vote on the hall of fame.  I'd imagine many of the writers wouldn't know Jim Rice if he walked up and bit them on the ass.

Yeah, they need some sort of committee, they could call it a "Veterans Committee" or something like that.

In no way is Jim Rice a hall of famer. But he will be once the Veterans Committee votes.

The vet committee is kinda quirky, don't you think?  They only vote every two years and not all members participate.  Hell, they have jack asses like Schmidt whose gone on record as saying if the writers didn't vote 'em in, why should he.

My issue with the veterans committee would be that not all of the living HOFers played against those players on the ballot.


Not all HOF hitters faced sutter and gossage.  Not all pitchers faced Rice.


It would be really difficult to get a proper group of players to vote, but it's a nice thought any way.

[RedBarron]

Also, as for Jim Rice.

Career numbers, he's only in the top 50 in GIDP, Sac Flies (which is how Frank Thomas will get in), and Strike outs.

NOT a hall of famer. If he makes the hall of fame, may as well put Bernie Williams in as well.

Bernie Williams?   That's a bit of a stretch.

What hurts rice is his lack of a lengthy career.

Look at the list of baseball reference comparables:

Cepeda HOF
Gallaraga
Burks
Snider HOF
J Carter
D Parker
Billy Williams HOF
Luis Gonzales
Willie Stargell HOF
Sheffield 

Not bad company.

I'm not one who buys into the "short career" mentality.  I've heard it from both ends.   I can't understand how the HoF voters say Pucket was a no-brainer, but then say Rice didn't have a long enough career.

For argument's sake (re: puckett), Kirby had 2 HOFers (Cuyler and Medwick) in his BR comparables list.


The stat I like to look at is 162 game average. . . . Rice was at .298 / 30 /113 .  . . . he was the perfect clean up hitter during his time.

Rice is in the all time MLB top 100 in the following categories:

slg%  88th

Hits   91st

Total  Bases  61st

HR  51st

RBI  51st

K's 49th

Runs Created  76th

Ex Base Hits  74th


Sac Flies 41st

GIDP  6th



Those are some nice categories to be in the top 100 all time. 

[BDawk]

Cepeda HOF
Gallaraga
Burks
Snider HOF
J Carter
D Parker
Billy Williams HOF
Luis Gonzales
Willie Stargell HOF
Sheffield 

Not bad company.

But not great company either.

[Attezzobal]

So, as for the Vets committee, what you actually want is for the only players allowed to vote are the players that will put Jim Rice in? Maybe we'll only have American Leaguers vote for fellow American Leaguers, and NLers do the same for NLers. Wait, no, that would never work. Let's only have players vote for fellow players that they've played against 200 times. Wait, no, that wouldn't work either. Let's have hitters with at least 100 career at bats against pitchers vote for or against those pitchers, and pitchers who have faced a hitter at least 100 times vote for or against those hitters. Yes, that seems the way to go.

Who have you ever heard say that Puckett was a no-brainer?

If Jim Rice gets in, Fred McGriff gets in.

[BDawk]

Who have you ever heard say that Puckett was a no-brainer?

Kirby's mom

[Stock]

Who have you ever heard say that Puckett was a no-brainer?

Kirby's mom

The bitch who was duct taped in his closet.

[ultimate7]

When you get in first ballot, aren't you generally considered a no-brainer

[BeeJay]

I've read articles where well known sports writers called Puckett a no-brainer.  I only remember them because I thought it was ridiculous.

Also, I've never understood why fans get so worked up over the HofF or postseason awards.  They're made for the players, and they really shouldn't affect a fan either way.  I'm much more interested in whose numbers get retired than who wins mvp or gets in the hall, because it's something I see everytime I go to a game.  If some assclown is wearing number 51 in St. Louis, the fans get upset.  At the same time, most people don't know/care exactly which Cards are in the Hall of Fame.

[RedBarron]

So, as for the Vets committee, what you actually want is for the only players allowed to vote are the players that will put Jim Rice in? Maybe we'll only have American Leaguers vote for fellow American Leaguers, and NLers do the same for NLers. Wait, no, that would never work. Let's only have players vote for fellow players that they've played against 200 times. Wait, no, that wouldn't work either. Let's have hitters with at least 100 career at bats against pitchers vote for or against those pitchers, and pitchers who have faced a hitter at least 100 times vote for or against those hitters. Yes, that seems the way to go.

Who have you ever heard say that Puckett was a no-brainer?

If Jim Rice gets in, Fred McGriff gets in.

Pucket went in 1st ballot (I think).  That's no - brainer to me.

I think it would be cool to have the players who played against the certain players do the voting.   I just find it strange that a baseball writer who may never have seen Rice (or others) play gets to vote on his Hall of Fame worthiness.   The players shouldn't have the absolute say (simply because of the "good ol' boy system") but I'd love to see a happy medium.


I really couldn't give a shit about Jim Rice, but I know if I were in his shoes, I'd be pissed to high heaven at some of the guys that are in and I (Rice) can barely get half the vote. 

Just looking at his BR page, the HOF monitor type stats have Rice as a HOF.



The only assclown that should wear a cardinal "51" is Willie McGee.

[BeefMaster]

Are there many teams that have their own Halls of Fame?  The Twins started the Twins Hall of Fame in 2000 or 2001, initially enshrining the 5 players with retired numbers (Killebrew, Oliva, Carew, Puckett, Hrbek), and adding a player or two each year (I was at the game last year when Viola was added).

Interestingly, since they started the Twins Hall of Fame, they haven't retired any numbers (not that there were probably any deserving players who played predominately during the 90s).

[BDawk]

I think teams retire numbers too easily. They should be reserved for hall of famers that play the vast majority of their games for that team, or great players that played the vast majority of games for that team. I see a Dwight Evans getting his number retired. He meant a lot to that organization, but will never get to the hall.