A call for playtesting help!

[Attezz]

DLee is there because he won the triple crown with the Cubs.

No he didn't.  There hasn't been a Triple Crown in the NL since Joe Medwick in '37.

Carl Yastrzemski, Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams and Frank Robinson send their regards.

[quietude]

DLee is there because he won the triple crown with the Cubs.

No he didn't.  There hasn't been a Triple Crown in the NL since Joe Medwick in '37.

Carl Yastrzemski, Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams and Frank Robinson send their regards.

From the AL.  Joe Medwick had the last NL Triple Crown.

[Attezz]

I can't read.

[ultimate7]

I don't like this whole project, why not just redo the teams from scratch?  I like the Arcade version the way it is and I like the fact that all the teams aren't even.

Just redo determining your own criteria (all time teams 1920-200?) or something

[quietude]

OK, new revision time (still need gameplay opinions in addition to the debates over who's deserving!)

Additions/changes:

St. Louis:
Power adjusted for Pujols
Speed adjusted for Brock, Coleman

Chicago:
"DLee" (he didn't have Derrek Lee's stats, so I don't know who he was) replaced with Phil Cavarretta
Power adjusted for Banks, Sosa
Speed adjusted for Sosa, S.Hack, Sandberg

Los Angeles:
Manny Mota replaced with Zack Wheat

San Fran:
Power adjusted for Bonds

Boston:
Uni changed from dark gray back to default light gray

Chicago's stats were way off.  Sandberg was faster than Lou Brock, for crying out loud.

ultimate7, I'm using the original RBI Arcade as a base because there are several teams that don't need much work.  Oakland, for example, hasn't changed much at all since the original, and St. Louis, New York and Chicago only needed a couple of new players.  My goal was just to fix some of the glaring omissions and add in the newer players more than it was to get a better balance.

[Attezz]

Los Angeles:
Manny Mota replaced with Zack Wheat

Are you kidding?

[quietude]

Los Angeles:
Manny Mota replaced with Zack Wheat

Are you kidding?

Manny Mota: great pinch hitter, yes, but couldn't hit a home run from second base, much less the plate, and didn't play regularly as a Dodger.
Zack Wheat: franchise leader in hits, singsles, doubles and triples, as well as 3rd in RBI and 5th in BA.

I'm comfortable with that substitution.

[Attezz]

Wow, see, I can't read.

At first I had that being Mota replacing Wheat.

I'm totally now in your fan club (outside of the Cobb stuff).

[quietude]

I wondered how someone might have an objection to that move, since Mota was his generation's Lenny Harris and Zack Wheat is all over the Dodger record book.

[RedBarron]

Sandberg is at least 19 times faster than brock.

[quietude]

Sandberg is at least 19 times faster than brock.

Maybe in Bizarro Fantasyland where the Cubs didn't trade Brock for Ernie Broglio and a bucket of balls, but in the real world, Brock and his 938 SB blow Sandberg and his 344 SB out of the water.  Heck, Brock stole a third of Sandberg's career total in one SEASON (at age 35, no less!)

I'm gonna have to tone Brock's speed down just a bit, though, because he went first-to-third on a hit and run grounder to second in a game I played earlier.  He'd be the perfect Pettis hitter, because he's so fast that he can beat out almost anything.

[Bonny]

Replace Hou with KC.

[RedBarron]

The brock for brogglio trade wasn't nearly as bad as people like to think it was.  Brock was good, but not Hall of Fame good with the Cubs.  Brogglio was coming off some very good years and the Cubs needed pitching.

The trade was made before the technological advances in sports medicine, or else Brogglio's arm injuries might have been discovered before the trade went down.

[quietude]

Replace Hou with KC.

I'm actually thinking about doing a Vol. II with the following teams:

Philadelphia
New York (NL)
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Minnesota
Detroit
Chicago (AL)
Kansas City
California
Milwaukee

It'll wait until after I get this one fine-tuned.  Anyone found anybody that's way off?

[ultimate7]

http://dee-nee.com/rbi/roms/

Ultimate7's RBI Arcade II - Dee-Nee Forum veteran Ultimate7 created a ROM with in the spirit of RBI Arcade, yet used 10 new teams - Pirates, Royals, Phillies, Tigers, WhiteSox, Indians, Orioles, Brewers, Expos, and Twins. Click here for full rosters and abilities..

[quietude]

http://dee-nee.com/rbi/roms/

Ultimate7's RBI Arcade II - Dee-Nee Forum veteran Ultimate7 created a ROM with in the spirit of RBI Arcade, yet used 10 new teams - Pirates, Royals, Phillies, Tigers, WhiteSox, Indians, Orioles, Brewers, Expos, and Twins. Click here for full rosters and abilities..

Huh.  Awesome.  Didn't see that.  Thanks for saving me the work of doing it myself!

[Dryden]

There's a lot of comments I could put here, but you're obviously not shooting for complete lineups for any of these teams, or even complete starting lineups.

Some obvious players who are missing/better than included players:

Yankees: Bill Dickey, Joe Gordon, Charlie Keller, Red Ruffing, and a lot of the current lineup.  Lots of people are better than Munson and Rizzuto.

Boston: How Jimmie Foxx isn't on the A's, I'll never know.  Especially since he never hit 58 HRs for the Sox.  ManRam should be here.  George Scott, too.  Dick Radatz would make a great closer.  And shouldn't any of the other 3 pitchers appear in front of Luis Tiant?

Reds: Eppa Rixey.

Giants:  Jeff Kent.  Roger Bresnahan.  Freddie Lindstrom, even.  It isn't hard to be better than Doug Rader.  Ross Youngs.  Larry Doyle.  Roger Connor.  Maybe Robb Nen?

Dodgers:  A great reliever in Jim Brewer.  Or Gagne.  Babe Herman.  Gil Hodges.  Tommie Davis.

Cubs:  Shouldn't Maddux be a Brave?  Mordecai Brown.  Bill Dahlen.  Billy Herman.

Astros:  Jimmy Wynn, by a mile and a half.  Bob Watson.  Glenn Davis.

A's - Eddie Collins. Frank Baker.  Al Simmons.  Miguel Tejada.   Bob Johnson.  Jason Giambi.  Dennis Eckersley.  Eddie Plank.  Jimmie Foxx.

[quietude]

Dryden, I started with the RBI Arcade rosters, so some of their decisions are the ones you're complaining about.

The Astros have Watson, and Davis gave way to Jeff Bagwell.  Wynn... there's an argument there, and I'll probably make that change in the next revision.

Maddux: he won a Cy Young as a Cub, and Glavine deserved to be included, so I'd have had to bump Niekro or Burdette to include both of them, and that seemed wrong.

I thought about Eckersley last night, and I'm leaning towards adding him, but it may have to be at the expense of Rollie Fingers.

[Shooty]

The Blue Jays need a team.  They were reigning World Champs for three years in a row.

[Dryden]

Considering:

Eckersley is 10 times the reliever Fingers is
Lew Burdette sucks (career ERA+ 98), and Maddux won, um, 3 cy youngs with the Braves.  If you want to go back far enough, Kid Nichols is one of the very finest pitchers in major league history.
Doug Rader over Glenn Davis?  Not on Doug Rader's very best day.