2010 HoF Ballot

[ryno]

His making the 3,000 hit club and all that were all due to his longevity

longevity is huge for the HOF, that's why 3000H, 400HR are huge numbers.  OPS+ says they had basically the same career offensive numbers, but Ripken did it for 6 more seasons.  That is a huge difference.

Which is why I don't understand all the hate for Dawson and McGriff

[Brookensrules!]

never been much of a Mcgriff fan but Dawson should get in. 

[Barton]

never been much of a Dawson fan but McGriff should get in.

[BDawk]

They both suck

[BeefMaster]

His making the 3,000 hit club and all that were all due to his longevity

longevity is huge for the HOF, that's why 3000H, 400HR are huge numbers.  OPS+ says they had basically the same career offensive numbers, but Ripken did it for 6 more seasons.  That is a huge difference.

Which is why I don't understand all the hate for Dawson and McGriff

McGriff struggles because he hit 30 homers a year at a time when guys started hitting 50.  Dawson struggles in sabermetric circles because he couldn't take a walk, and he wasn't actually as awesome a power hitter as RBI makes us remember - he only hit 30 homers three times.  Both struggle because sportswriters don't appear to care much about the 80s - there was no dominant team, not a lot of defining players, and offense was lower than I think people expect.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they both got in, but I'm pretty liberal about Hall of Fame induction - I think that if a guy is on the bubble, you should let him in, because the more players in the Hall, the more of baseball history is represented there.  For the same reason, I think the football Hall's annual limit of 7 inductees is dumb.

[ryno]

Sportwriters are cocks.  McGriff can't get in because he hit 30 homers per year when roid guys hit 50.  Roid guys can't get in because they hit 50 homers per year instead of hitting 30 clean ones.

Dawson was consistently in the top 10 home run hitters in the league -- from 78 to 92.

I'm like you -- liberal when it comes to HoF.  What's the harm?

[BDawk]

Oh there's harm alright.

[Mike D.]

Dawson should be in the Hall.  McGriff, I don't think so. 

[BDawk]

I think no for both of them.  I don't even want to look at their numbers. 
I like the hall being exclusive.  There are plenty of players that are very good, but not hall-worthy.  Both of these guys miss the cut in the Bdawk hall of fame.

So does Sandberg, Rice, Molitor, Carter, Winfield, Perez, etc.  I could go on, but about half of the recent inductees would be cut.  Rose gets in oddly enough

[ultimate7]

Dawson should be in the Hall.  McGriff, I don't think so. 

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Dawson was a strong defensive OF (CF early in his career plus a cannon).  He stole a lot of bases before his knees went, and had strong power numbers.

McGriff hit, and that's it, he was a shitty defensive 1B

[Barton]

I think no for both of them.  I don't even want to look at their numbers. 
I like the hall being exclusive.  There are plenty of players that are very good, but not hall-worthy.  Both of these guys miss the cut in the Bdawk hall of fame.

So does Sandberg, Rice, Molitor, Carter, Winfield, Perez, etc.  I could go on, but about half of the recent inductees would be cut.  Rose gets in oddly enough

So what's your cutoff? Is it stats, longevity, records held? Molitor, for instance, is in the 3000 hit club, which is (well, used to be, before steroids) an automatic qualifier. I think of the group you listed, he and Perez should be in, Winfield next, Sandberg a longshot and Carter and Rice no.

[BDawk]

I just think it's general awesomeness.  I never thought of these guys as elite.  3000 hits is nice, but Molitor never overly impressed me.  Maybe it's a product of marketing or personality, but some guys just aren't big time enough for me. 

[Nacho]

Molitor's stats are roughly comparable to Jeter's, FWIW.

[fightonusc]

If there was a Hall of Fame for "Players You Wouldn't Have Expected to be Cokeheads but Were," Molitor's a first-ballot guy.

[TβG]

if there was a hall of fame for "players who had uncommonly hairy fore-arms," molitor's a first-ballot guy (along with garvey).

[Nacho]

If there were a Hall of Fame for "Players who were as good as Derek Jeter but will never be mentioned alongside him because they didn't play in NY," he'd be a first ballot guy.

[Attezz]

If there were a hall of fam eof "Players who went to the same high school as Joe Mauer" he'd be the only other guy in there.

[BeefMaster]

I assume, then, that Winfield went to a different high school?

[Attezz]

I think Winfield went to Central, I know both Molitor and Mauer went to Cretin-Durham and Prince went to Academy of Holy Angels (which for some reason I also want to say that Larry Fitzgerald attended, but not 100% certain).

[Brookensrules!]

I just think it's general awesomeness.  I never thought of these guys as elite.  3000 hits is nice, but Molitor never overly impressed me.  Maybe it's a product of marketing or personality, but some guys just aren't big time enough for me. 

don't you guys know anything?  Look up Dawson's awesomeness stat and it is just not cutting it. 


Molitor was awesome, he had very good numbers and was injured about half the time, had he had a somewhat healthy career his numbers would be off the charts.