2013 30-Team ROM - (Roster Preview)

[Turd]

I'm not getting anymore feedback other than a few comments here or there, so I'll start rating these guys this week...only difficult part is pitcher speed, but shouldn't be too bad.

[Turd]

Just a small insignificant progress update, still updating pitcher speeds, got about 1/3 of them done...

[VEGAS]

Thanks for the work you are doing. Can't wait for the finished rom! More exciting than a MLB opening day game.

[VEGAS]

Ortiz is DH, Napoli is 1b salty at C. What's the issue? (I forget if pitcher has to hit).
Agreed about buchholz, he's their number 2 sp.... Not mention he's been great this spring.


And please do not delay it until all star. One coud argue that it can always be modified. How great would it be for this to be out before opening day! RBI Nation sits with fingers crossed.

Red Sox Roster:  Napoli and Ortiz can't be in the same lineup.  Salty will be the starting catcher, so he needs to be switched with either Napoli or Ortiz.

Also, Buchholz (sp?) needs to be in there over Dumpster (sp?). 

As a suggestion for more work on your part and further benefit on our part, I'd suggest building the All-Star Roster and releasing the final product after the break.  This would also allow for more representative lineups and attributes for players for the 2013 season, rather than just the regular opening day rosters.

[VEGAS]

Must have been the cold meds. that's my only excuse (about the pitchers). BTW did you only look at the BoSox for that issue. When I was helping submit lineups for AL teams I left the DH in rather than putting him in the 1st slot on the bench. I bet Turd caught my brain fart, but might be worth double checking.

VEGAS, I don't hate you, but I have to post this.

Ortiz is DH, Napoli is 1b salty at C. What's the issue? (I forget if pitcher has to hit).
Agreed about buchholz, he's their number 2 sp.... Not mention he's been great this spring.

That's pretty funny.  I may have been gone for a few days, but I know better than to believe someone who's been a member of this forum for so long would "forget if the pitcher hits or not."  Nice try, but I'm not biting.

...

Seriously, dude, the pitcher hits...

[VEGAS]

As for the Cart/ROM, I still support Opening day game. Turd as clear that he wanted projected season rosters, so for example, on the Red Sox it looks like Papi won't start the season active but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be in the game. He should either be the 1B or the first guy on the bench (with Nap at C and Salty on BN and dump that shitty Ross dude).  Rather you go with the planned guys (though I admit to being happy A-Fraud isn't even with the Yanks) regardless of any relatively small injury.

As for the dates my point is there is no "final" roster during the season it either has to happen at the end of the season or at the start. It appears the version being worked on is for the start of the season so lets just support that plan. 

Maybe they'll be a post- trading deadline ROM update, or an end of the season summary update, or maybe there won't be any changes until 2014. You are right that cart prices basically prevent making more than one version of those but the ROM hacks could still be downloaded.
~two cents from VEGAS

[Turd]

Thanks for the feedback and dialog boys.  The plan is to try and get this out before opening day, but def. early in the opening weeks if that's not possible.  I'll see what I can do about releasing an end of year ROM, but mid-season ROMs are too difficult to do, so that probably won't be happening.

Just so I'm clear, I'm not looking for every lineup, I used mlbdepthcharts as a base.  What we've done in the past is I post the lineups and I let the "experts" for a team give their feedback.  Those people have their finger on the team's pulse...so if you have specific team feedback, give a short description if you like, but ultimately what I'm looking for  is a repost of the "fixed" lineup.  1-12 with DH being in the lineup.  Sometimes it's difficult to get that working since the PITCHER DOES BAT But try to make a realistic lineup if you were the manager.

Pitchers is usually based as SP, SP, SU, CL, though that can change if it needs to.

I'm currently done with all the lineups (save for team-specific feedback).  I'm up to the point now where I have to finish rating pitcher speed and then going through and tweaking the ratings a bit if there's anything wonky.  Then I'll post the ratings sheet, give it a few days, then release a ROM and start taking preorders.  We've never done this process before so we don't know what kind of turn-around we're talking about, so that'll have to get ironed out.

Also, the guy who's doing the cart creation mentioned he's going to try to get some boxes cut out this weekend, and also that most of the carts are going to be tengen-style carts...hope that's ok.

[BDawk]

PHI:  Put Delmon Young in the Lineup, and consider putting Cole Hamels in the Rotation

Hamels is the opening day starter and their best pitcher and Delmon Young belongs nowhere near the lineup.  Dom Brown starts in the OF

[Turd]

Brown starts in Left, and Young is in Right.  I don't know why you'd want anybody other than Young in Right (who's actually on the roster).

Hamels is the opening day starter and their best pitcher

As the ROM roster stands now, Hamels isn't even in the game.  With Lee and Halladay on the team, I assume the nod was given to the bigger names.  The suggestion I think I made earlier was to put Lee in as the SU guy.  Not sure if the game could be hacked to give them 3 starters and 1 reliever.

I didn't mean I'd put in three starters, I meant instead of a setup man it could just be a different reliever. It'll always be SP, SP, RP, RP.

[Turd]

What point am I missing? I was commenting on the notion of putting in three SPs and 1 RP, which I'm not interested in for the community ROM.  For a special ROM, sure...

I haven't decided on the other stuff yet...

If I'm still missing the point, enlighten me.

[Turd]

Your feedback is always welcomed...I'm glad people are talking about this.  Been trying to keep this game alive for a while now...so please, drop your feedback.  I may or may not take it into account, but I will hear anyone out.  Baseball is an odd sport for rating ROMs in that we know in general the stars and the lineups, who's good, who's not, etc, but it gets tricky when creating lineups because we're not always exposed to those gritty details like we are for our home teams.  The AL/NL disparity further clouds this as I rarely watch any AL baseball, except for on occasion when the Brewers are off and I hit up the 4-letter network to catch some ballgames...

On top of that, I'm a family man with 3 kids and very limited computer time, so relying on others to help with the painful parts of rating a ROM is a must if I want to get anything out the door.  I took last year off because it got to be too miuch, but after refining my tools that I use to rate the game and paired with the idea of actually boxing up a ROM and putting it on a cart (something I always wanted to do), well, i was inpsired again. 

But, I digress...when I finish the pitcher speeds, I'll look back over this thread and read up on all the feedback and make adjustments then.  Thanks for being part of the discussion...

[slammed16]

I'm interested in a 2013 rbi baseball cart once completed and ready

[Turd]

Just an update, still working on pitching speeds.  Honestly I would normally do it in my downtime at work, but haven't had any lately.  Stilll, I'm plugging along, shouldn't take long...then I'll release the prelim ratings...

[keithisgood]

Realize I'm relatively new over here, but...If I can offer a suggestion?

I undertook a similar project updating Baseball Simulator 1.000 for the 2013 season and the best way I found to update
rosters and stats was simply to copy/paste stat lines from http://www.fangraphs.com and plug them into an excel spreadsheet. I then used quadradic regression (i assure you--not as complicated as it sounds) to compare the stats from the original Baseball Simulator (High, Average and Low) against the stats pulled from fangraphs (High Average and Low). This way today's stat lines remain in the parameters of the original game. There's a nice quadratic regression online app at http://science.kennesaw.edu/~plaval/applets/QRegression.html which lets you plug in stats to get a formula which would then translate real MLB stat lines into RBI Baseball stats.

I believe RBI and Baseball Simulator use much the same stats. I used Slugging Percentage to measure a guy's Power, I inverted on-base percentage for contact and used a fangraphs stat called "baserunning effectiveness" for foot speed. As for pitching, I based a pitcher's right and left curve ratings on how often they threw curveballs (which generally break right) and sliders/splitters (which generally break left). Fangraphs also has a pitcher's max velocity and average velocity for each type of pitch they throw.

I've playtested my rom and I think it's pretty true to a player's abilities while still retaining the feel of the original NES game.

Hope that helps. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know.

[Turd]

Thanks Keith...I appreciate the help.  I've been rating RBI for years now, and I have my own system, similar to your setup, though mine is much more automated as I wrote some code to handle most of the heavy-lifting for me. 

Though, I am quite interested in the link you provided.  I had been doing some of that stuff by hand back when I developed my system.

Unfortunately, for RBI, there are some stats that don't translate to RBI abilities, so I rate my pitchers based on their ability to strike people out (even if they don't have a good curve, they might have one in RBI to give them the skills needed to be good).  I wanted to get a "control" feature implemented that would use that value to use a probability to randomly ignore that the user was throwing a curve and to just have the pitch go over the plate...guys with good control would never have it affect them, guys with poor control would have it affect them more often.

That didn't happen, but maybe for a future release.

[keithisgood]

Should also say thanks; I had no clue what the "contact" value did in Baseball Simulator until I moseyed over here.

[Turd]

I just saw a few pics of a completed and assembled box, and man oh man, it's fuckin' sweet.  Will post some pics in the next few days along with what I hope is a finished ROM!

My goal is to finish up the last amount of busywork and then perhaps have this thing done by Wednesday (the wife is gone out of town and I'll have the whole night to plug away).

[Turd]

Ok, I can't wait, this is too awesome.  here's a quick preview of the box...

[BeefMaster]

Best guess for the Twins:

Hicks
Dozier
Mauer
Willingham
Morneau
Plouffe
Parmelee
Doumit (DH)
Florimon

Mastroianni
Carroll
Butera (although they might sign a bat who you could put here instead; I'm still hoping for JIM THOME)

Diamond
Worley (although Correia is more likely to be healthy, I think)
Burton
Perkins

Most likely changes are last bench spot (if it's Escobar, he's not going to be much better offensively than Butera), second base (Dozier is no guarantee), and starting pitchers (if there's an injury).  I'm also hoping that, if Dozier makes the team, they'll dump him down in the order and move everyone else up, but Gardy loves Mauer in the #3 spot and has a weird thing for hitting middle infielders #2, so I don't know how likely that is.

Twins have confirmed that Hicks will open the year as the starting center fielder (and almost certainly the leadoff man) - great speed, a bit of power, not great contact unless you factor in OBP.  End of the bench is still open, but all the guys listed above are going to be on the roster, assuming they don't pull a surprise and send Butera to AAA like they probably should.  Last bench spot would almost certainly be an upgrade over Butera offensively, but likely will be no big loss either way.

Diamond is not going to start on Opening Day because of injury, but he's expected back within two or three weeks, so he should probably still be their #1 starter on the ROM.  #2 will be Pelfrey, Worley, or Correia, none of whom are all that good, so use whoever you want.  Relief guys are set, though.

[BeefMaster]

I just read that Butera was actually sent to AAA; I'm not sure who should get the last RBI-roster bench spot.