I have been reading this site and playing RBI for a while now but i think i either disagree or dont fully comprehend a few of the strategies listed on this site.
1) Taking pitches. Now is it just me, or are you supposed to hit strikes and take balls, what is this taking pitches talk, are you taking strikes? I dont know who you guys play, but if i start off taking strike 1, i severley increase my chances of striking out. I recognize the advantage of getting to pitchers like King and Sutton, but is it worth all the extra striking out you are going to do early in the game? Also, on the flip side, as a pitcher, i throw nasty stuff, balls and strikes, even when i am detriot. If alexander can only go 3.5 innings but get 7 strike outs, i think he did his job. Are you guys suggesting that you should serve up meatballs (down the middle pitches) to bad batters with no one on to conserve pitches? In my experience ANYONE can hit a home run (except pitchers) even the Grinch. So i choose to pitch 4-6 pitches to everyone (Granted this can screw me in the end, but my games NEVER get to 10 runs like i see DET and BOS scoring on the COTUT tournament results, let me repeat i NEVER get scored on that much, so what is the story with taking pitches?
Also, fouling off balls, decent idea, but just swing at hittable balls and hope for the best i say.
2) Lefty hit: before i read this site, i never saw a difference or a difficulty with hitting with righties, nor an advantage with lefties. As i read about the lefty hit it seems like they "get less double plays" and can pull it down the line between the 2B and 1B because of holding the runner. In my experience, lefties get just as many double plays cause they pull it right to the 2nd baseman. If anything, they hit better with no one on, cause then as a fielder, half the time you cant even control the 2nd baseman. Also, as for hitting against rightie pitchers, its easier as a rightie that way the pitcher cant cross it in on your hands with an un hittable strike. So what is all the talk about lefties?!?
3) The pettis: can anyone really pull this off with cons. ?
Ok, thanks for this clarification.
PS, team rankings, anyone who doesnt rank Dt as #1 doesnt know how to play this game.
PS (all these questions are relating to anything goes curve pitching)
QuoteAlso, as for hitting against rightie pitchers, its easier as a rightie that way the pitcher cant cross it in on your hands with an un hittable strike. So what is all the talk about lefties?!?
I know JoeDirt, one of the world-class players on the forum, has the same preference as you - he would rather pitch to a righthanded batter with a lefthanded pitcher, and vice-versa. I haven't played against or directly heard opinions from many other top players, but I believe they generally hold the same opinion.
Gererally relief pitchers are worse than starters, so if you can force the starters to go only 3 inn each you are in great shape, obviously you want to hit good pitches but being patient is important.
The lefty hit goes between the 1B and 2B men because there is a bigger hole because the 1B is holding the runner on.
What does with cons. mean? I can pull of the pettis with fast guys sometimes, but usually the person your playing against is also pitching in a way to make that more difficult.
Cons. just means consistancy.
Also lefty hit, are you aiming to pull it? dont you get a lot of DPs that way too? i find it safer to always swing late SS is a tough play to first and im usually safe.
Quote from: bigbopper on 06/21/06, 09:05:39 AM
Cons. just means consistancy.
Also lefty hit, are you aiming to pull it? dont you get a lot of DPs that way too? i find it safer to always swing late SS is a tough play to first and im usually safe.
That's the "Pettis", so it appears that you can do it at least somewhat regularly.
The Lefty Hit is a bigger phenomenon in Straight Pitch, where the homerun rules the day and you're always trying to pull the ball.
Quote from: bigbopper on 06/21/06, 09:05:39 AM
Cons. just means consistancy.
I thought you meant players like Gooden, Strawberry, and Guerrero.
Also, those of us who play RBI the way it was supposed to be played (only using 1 starter/game) know the value of making pitchers work hard and throw a lot of pitches.
Quote(Granted this can screw me in the end, but my games NEVER get to 10 runs like i see DET and BOS scoring on the COTUT tournament results, let me repeat i NEVER get scored on that much, so what is the story with taking pitches?
Maybe your opponents suck...It's either that or you are the greatest RBI player in the history, I repeat, the HISTORY of the world.
I'm with Nacho, taking pitches don't matter with four starters, but it's huge if you're playing a no-reset series....But we've already had this discussion many times.
Quote from: bigbopper on 06/21/06, 08:42:47 AM
team rankings, anyone who doesnt rank Dt as #1 doesnt know how to play this game.
Are you counting the NL All Stars in your rankings?
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if you play rbi with only 1 starter and alexander goes 3.5 innings, i will 10 run rule you by the 7th inning stretch. i dont care how many K's you have when your pitchers cant put any movement on the ball later in the game
Quote from: broiler on 06/21/06, 01:25:52 PM
if you play rbi with only 1 starter and alexander goes 3.5 innings
He was talking about 2 starters
I've never gone 3.5 innings with Alexander.
i was talking 2SPs not 1. Also, i never count NL or AL in rankings.
Also, the question remains, in anything goes, do you let the bad players hit and conserve pitches if you have a crap bullpen?
Quote from: bigbopper on 06/21/06, 01:42:56 PM
Also, the question remains, in anything goes, do you let the bad players hit and conserve pitches if you have a crap bullpen?
if you think a player is a bad player sub him. hell yes conserve pitches if you have a crap bullpen. you should know this if you like playing with detroit
Quote from: Attezzobal on 06/21/06, 01:36:24 PM
I've never gone 3.5 innings with Alexander.
Bravo! ;D
for me heres how i view the taking pitches thing. its absolutely neccesary in the 2 starting pitcher games. theres an arms race being waged, and if its tied late, i dont want 1 pitcher left in my pen to the other guys 2. simple as that.
also some guys are very crafty and stay just off the plate. sometimes you need to take some pitches just to force bad counts for them and force them to throw strikes. that is very key as well. if your opponent knows your chomping at the bit for the big hit, your bound to see more garbage than usual.
and also when Doyle is throwing 76MPH, he's much easier to get a read on than when hes tossin them in there at 85. so taking some pitches makes this occur sooner than not.
last year at the tourney i faced Gdavis who's a damn good pitcher. anyways i had to take a lot. he struck me out a ton each game, but the K's he got were routinely taking anywhere from 5-7 pitches. his guys were tiring, and i won a couple games with some heroic late vs pitchers who had already used up thier best stuff.
thats all for now.
i think there was also a point made about the players with little power.
When i'm pitching i'm more likely to go after them to try and get some outs on 1 or 2 pitches, but im not throwing anything right down the pipe(well if i do, it was an accident)
but in certain situations where the score is tied, im still very, very careful. gimme a decent lead, and i may be more agressive in trying to get quick outs and giving the batters something a little better to hit.
sometimes i wont swing at a pitch through the first 2 batters, then swing away when the power gets to the plate and your opponent thinks all you are going to do is take pitches.
am i lying about this, maybe
Quote from: broiler on 06/21/06, 01:54:01 PM
sometimes i wont swing at a pitch through the first 2 batters, then swing away when the power gets to the plate and your opponent thinks all you are going to do is take pitches.
am i lying about this, maybe in the cotut, No.
regardless its always good to protect your secrets.
another side note. for some reason people in this years cotut dont really post here. joe dirt and myself do regularily.
Beales(smoked you bad) and MfRiley do on rare occasion.
However the rbi knowledge here is top notch.
Side note again: how good is C foster, he looked to sqeek out a few wins and finish high in both tourneys, but Mriley, beales and dirt and mccormick seem to be the loud mouths here, who are the favorites the way the bracket is set up? and do the nobodies/randoms ever go far?
Foster is certainly one of the favoites with Riley, Dirt, and Beales
the tourney was rigged randomly set up, and foster and dirt are both in the top half and beales and riley are in the bottom half. foster/dirt and beales/riley could all be facing each other in round 3.
Beales has played Foster recently, and beat him 3-1 and then 3-0 in cotut style.
I get foster in round 1. I also get Dirt and Riley for a ton of games friday night in our room. teacher and student will face off.
Foster has a crazy record overal in the cotut, but one year he competed in the 32 man tourney which was prolly watered down with chuckers. im glad beales has taken it to him recently, but i wont be overconfident that he wont be able to bring it.
oh, and im also kidding about it being rigged. it was broadcast live on the net if anyone wanted to watch.
Quote from: TBT on 06/21/06, 02:25:21 PM
I also get Dirt and Riley for a ton of games friday night in our room. teacher and student will face off.
I see the hotel is in Des Plaines, when are you getting in? My sister's grad party is Friday night but I may be able to get over there afterward for some games.
Quote from: bigbopper on 06/21/06, 02:14:02 PM
who are the favorites the way the bracket is set up? and do the nobodies/randoms ever go far?
I would say that you can expect at least 3 of the 4 to place, if not all. dirt, riley, beales, and foster.
As for the chuckers and unknowns. im not trying to take away anything from the unknown players, but the talent is spread nicely so they will not have an easy road. this im sure of.
Hey im actually in the tourney too, it would be cool to get some games in friday night to see what im up against, would you guys mind? I live in LaGrange which is like 15 min south of there.
Quote from: ultimate7 on 06/21/06, 02:28:56 PM
I see the hotel is in Des Plaines, when are you getting in? My sister's grad party is Friday night but I may be able to get over there afterward for some games.
riley and i should be around by 7. we need to pick up dirt around 10 i guess, so then we wouldnt be back till maybe 11(?)
also sounds like gantry will be by saturday afternoon 3ish/4ish. Joe dirt and i will be done for the day by then. and hopefully theres that party at gantry's house saturdaynight. booya!
so is that a yes?
there should be plenty of folks around to game with. i know we get in half ass late in the day and then we gotta bolt and get joe, so our schedules are kinda funky but maybe we can oblige.
i dont know if were going out for dinner after we get joe either, so i dont have concrete details on our plans after that.
also contact beales, and have him maybe give you the skinny on when everyones arriving. that will prolly help you line up some play that way as well. im guessing that there will be at least 5 or 6 rooms with folks who also will be looking for some serious practice on friday night.
i had 2 other guys from here drop out. so my plans went to hell recently, and i had to scramble to line up new ones.
cool thanks, ill contact beals.
Big bopper will rule the day.
Ps, gaetti is the most clutch in the game, then gedman.
i cant speak for them(joe/mike) and what they want to do. i do know that some guys are all funny and shit and dont want people to get a look at thier game before hand. others dont care.
one guy refused to practice with beales recently cause beales was also in the tourney. this guy was the 1st or 2nd seed, and beales is 16th meaning they couldnt meet until sometime sunday. this i didnt understand, cause there was a large seperation in time and its not like you'd be tipping off your game just hours before meeting. also i doubt beales would really remember that much of it, but i guess its possible for him to remember some glaring weakness'es. however if you have glaring weaknesses, then you wont do well, simple as that.
i guess id rather not face foster repeatedly on friday night, cause i dont want him to see my game and tendancies, in hopes that its completely different than what he's used to.
Quote from: TBT on 06/21/06, 01:55:58 PM
Quote from: broiler on 06/21/06, 01:54:01 PM
sometimes i wont swing at a pitch through the first 2 batters, then swing away when the power gets to the plate and your opponent thinks all you are going to do is take pitches.
am i lying about this, maybe in the cotut, No.
regardless its always good to protect your secrets.
i am so in your kitchen right now.
bigbopper are you in the COTUT this year?
He is, I'm pretty sure he's the one listed #2 on the Cotut "seedings" list
im number 1 actually, TM
Quote from: bigbopper on 06/23/06, 08:29:33 AM
im number 1 actually, TM
Oh yeah, I knew what your name was, just forgot the number
Quote from: bigbopper on 06/23/06, 08:29:33 AM
im number 1 actually, TM
Correction,
I'm #1.
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