How would you rank the teams in order of best to worst? Here are my rankings, based on playing curve pitch that is.
Detroit
California
Boston
San Francisco
Minnesota
New York
St. Louis
Houston
*Not including AL/NL
Detroit is my favorite team to play with because you just can't beat the all around hitting 1-8. The pitching is a little suspect and DT doesn't have what you could classify a "dominant" pitcher, but Alexander is good enough to get by with. With Detroit you can score some major runs and should be able to trounce any team, including the AL/NL. Plus IMO Detroit has the best all around bench in RBI. Bergman is the only questionable PH as Heath, Sheridan, and Madlock are all potential of great games. If I ever basically want a "assured" win, I'll play with Detroit. The other teams in my top 3 California and Boston are pretty tough as well. Each of those teams [including SF] has what I would call a good mixture of hitting and pitching.
My basic breakdown with Detroit are as follows. From doing some browsing on the site here I can see I am not the only one who thinks Pat Sheridan is a PH God when it comes to RBI. Though as you'll see from the line-up I use I don't go the Sheridan route 100% of the time.
1. Tramell
2. Gibson
3. Evans
4. Nokes
5. Bill Madlock or Pat Sheridan [depending on if the pitcher is a righty or lefty and how sharp their curve is]
6. Lemon
7. Whitaker
8. Brookens [<-- Best #8 hitter in the entire game]
9. Alexander to start
Pitching
Morris
King
Hernandez
I almost never use Morris because I rarely use 2 starters in one game. For me it's a toss up between whether or not I need a left hander or right hander in the game at the time. I tend to use King more than Hernandez but it really depends on what the situation calls for.
Hitting
Sheridan
Madlock
Heath
Bergman
Well to me it's really a toss up between Madlock and Sheridan as who I put in for Larry Herndon. I know people are really big on Sheridan being a left handed bat, but Madlock does extremely well for me virtually every game. I'd say I use them both about 50/50 evenly. Also Heath is good for a gimme Home Run as well. The only weak spots on this Detroit team might be Herndon and Bergman as well as some quesionable pitchers to choose from. Bottom line is if you use Detroit and you're even only an average player you have a good chance of winning.
Det sucks. Offense may win you some games, but lights out pitching will shut anyone down. Det's staff is one of the worst in the game. Det will not shut people out, and they have to score at least 8-10 runs a game to win. Tough against some quality opponents. I love pitching against left hand hitters when I use the Giants, so Det would not score more than 2 runs against the Darkside, and thier bottom half is not all that. Det!? Get fuckin real. Game over.
Quote from: Sarc on 08/02/06, 01:12:08 AM
Sheridan
Madlock
Heath
Bergman
Eat that Edavis!!
Quote from: BDawk on 08/02/06, 09:54:31 AM
Quote from: Sarc on 08/02/06, 01:12:08 AM
Sheridan
Madlock
Heath
Bergman
Eat that Edavis!!
Obviously, the list is meant to list the worst hitter first, then the best, second best, and then the third
ranking boston third is ridiculous
Quote from: broiler on 08/02/06, 12:50:18 PM
ranking boston third is ridiculous
you think lower?
its all fairly subjective to other factors like if you play with only 1 starting pitcher or 2. Lately Det has become my team. Its all about comfort zones as to how one may rank teams. Aparently Darkie is very comfortable with SF. speaking of SF, they are not so hot in 1 sp games. lets see darkie dominate with that stipulation.
many might argue with boston being 3rd on your list, but in a cotut scenario theres always a possibility that they can get selected as low as the 3rd team.
This new cat needs to settle down, and maybe start looing around other threads, rather than starting threads that we've all weighed in on at least thirty times.
Quote from: GoReds on 08/02/06, 03:40:28 PM
This new cat needs to settle down, and maybe start looing around other threads, rather than starting threads that we've all weighed in on at least thirty times.
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I like this new cat...even if he is Mr RBI, the new threads give's everyone something different to argue about, rather than the OPS+ of some shitty fourth outfielder on texas
this forum has been lacking much in the line of gameplay discussions anyways. sure its all in the search if you look, but its ok. plus i like a newb to get his feet wet here as oposed to the ATG forum.
...oh and I hate other boards where if you post anything every motherfucker gives you shit and says nothing other than..."Use Search"... I hate those motherfuckers
USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION NEXT TIME.
Just kidding, love the enthusiasm, if there's one thing I like to see around here it's RBI chatter of any sort. You will probably be interested in the thoughts and opinions mentioned in this (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=11885.0) thread. You might enjoy my breakdown in particular, as we both use the exact same style of play (anything goes [i.e. "curve"], one starter per game).
PS. I fucking hate Bdawk that fucking motherfucker.
Quote from: BDawk on 08/02/06, 07:30:08 PM
...oh and I hate other boards where if you post anything every motherfucker gives you shit and says nothing other than..."Use Search"... I hate those motherfuckers
Why is your level "not funny"?
Quote from: Sarc on 08/02/06, 01:12:08 AM
I tend to use King more than Hernandez but it really depends on what the situation calls for.
To me, this is a huge red flag. I can not see how anybody can abide by this logic and still be dominant in the game of RBI (Anything Goes--1 SP or 2 SP).
Agreed, I love your enthusiasm, but I have to question your level of play (not that I am the foremost authority, but I just cannot get passed this statement of yours)...
Quote from: BDawk on 08/02/06, 07:30:08 PM
...oh and I hate other boards where if you post anything every motherfucker gives you shit and says nothing other than..."Use Search"... I hate those motherfuckers
amen BrotherDawk
To me, this is a huge red flag. I can not see how anybody can abide by this logic and still be dominant in the game of RBI (Anything Goes--1 SP or 2 SP).
Agreed, I love your enthusiasm, but I have to question your level of play (not that I am the foremost authority, but I just cannot get passed this statement of yours)...
I don't see how that's a red flag. You're right, obviously you have no way of knowing whether or not I suck at this game, but as I like to play RBI with only using 1 of the two starting pitchers I am going to have to use King or Hernandez regardless. From playing the game for roughly 17 years I have to say that I would give the nod to Eric King over Hernandez. Besides it all depends on what the situation calls for anyways. Sometimes if might be wise to bring Hernandez in to pitch against a left handed batter or whatever. You can't just automatically say Hernandez if better than King or vice versa, especially when they are both mediocre at best. I'm not saying they are pitching gods.......
I just don't prefer to use both starters in games I play. If I did, well then yeah I'd use Morris as the next choice. So basically it's a toss up, depends on the situation I'd say.
Plus the reason I ranked Boston 3rd is because these rankings are my opinions from playing the game for so many years and my comfort level/how I've had success in beating other players. I've had far better success with California than Boston, but both Boston and California are very very close IMO. I've also had a lot of success with the Giants as well. Other people may have different rankings, and they should, but I've had the best success winning consistently with Detroit then CA, BO, SF. It all depends on how well you play with each particular team.
Quote from: Sarc on 08/08/06, 01:39:38 AM
You're right, obviously you have no way of knowing whether or not I suck at this game...
Wrong
I don't know shit, but I know King can't hold Willie's jock.
After 24 hours of RBI, I think we came to the conclusion that Ny is the worst team on the game. Ask GoReds his opinion.
Quote from: JoeDirt on 08/02/06, 09:06:48 PM
Quote from: Sarc on 08/02/06, 01:12:08 AM
I tend to use King more than Hernandez but it really depends on what the situation calls for.
To me, this is a huge red flag. I can not see how anybody can abide by this logic and still be dominant in the game of RBI (Anything Goes--1 SP or 2 SP).
Agreed, I love your enthusiasm, but I have to question your level of play (not that I am the foremost authority, but I just cannot get passed this statement of yours)...
Quote from: Ryno on 08/08/06, 09:18:41 AM
I don't know shit, but I know King can't hold Willie's jock.
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I would agree with Sarc on this. I keep Willie out of the game unless it's absolutely necessary. I avoid Guillermo and Schiraldi even when I play against the computer. I've just had bad experiences with these two guys. If I ever use Willie, it's as a starter. I try to get 2 - 3 innings out of him, then put in Morris or Doyle. I know that I can immediately take him out if he gets in trouble, plus I have several innings to overcome any deficit. I'm not saying that this is the best strategy, but I'm just chiming in to say that it's been done before.
Eric King is the worst pitcher in the game. Period. I will allow for arguments that he's slightly less-worse than Moore or Schraldi, but I will not allow such speak as Hernandez is worse than King. That's just silly (note: this is in reference to Anything Goes only). That's like telling a Nascar expert that a supped-up Chevorlet is as good as Tony Stewart's car. Just unacceptable. Period.
Quote from: JoeDirt on 08/08/06, 12:45:06 PM
That's like telling a Nascar expert that a supped-up Chevorlet is as good as Tony Stewart's car.
The difference isn't nearly that great, neither are great pitchers
Yes, yes it is. Willy is the saving grace of that staff. He is a top 3 RP (off of the top of my head).
Quote from: JoeDirt on 08/08/06, 12:50:53 PM
Yes, yes it is. Willy is the saving grace of that staff. He is a top 3 RP (off of the top of my head).
You're probably in love with Pat Sheridan, too.
I will make the concession that I play the majority of my games against the computer. I am not a fan of Guillermo, though.
No. PS is #3 on the PH list for Dt for me...furthermore, he doesn't even ave 1 ab per game for me.
I hate this thread
Do you even play RBI, BDawk?
Quote from: JoeDirt on 08/08/06, 12:45:06 PM
Eric King is the worst pitcher in the game. Period. I will allow for arguments that he's slightly less-worse than Moore or Schraldi, but I will not allow such speak as Hernandez is worse than King. That's just silly (note: this is in reference to Anything Goes only). That's like telling a Nascar expert that a supped-up Chevorlet is as good as Tony Stewart's car. Just unacceptable. Period.
I'm not saying King>Hernandez or Hernandez>King. I've been using Detroit since I first started playing this game in the 80's and IMO they are about equal when playing curve pitch. They are both average
if that. Alexander is the only pitcher on Detroit's staff that resembles anything close to "good". I've never been a big fan of Morris though he is okay I suppose, and shit Morris is great when compared to King/Hernandez. I can think of some other pitchers that suck just as much as King, but yeah when it comes down to it, depending on what the situation calls for, I'll give the nod to King over Hernandez when playing curve pitch 1 starter only rules.
And yeah Sheridan is a pretty decent PH, but I prefer Madlock most of the time. Again depends on the situation.
You've already said all of that. That is the very thing that I dispute.
So what you're disputing the fact that I think unless the situation calls for a certain choice that King would be the better first option? Since I play with a 1 starting pitcher policy it's a toss up between King/Hernandez. You may think it's blasphemy me saying that Hernandez shouldn't be the first choice but I say who cares when they are equally mediocre.
Really what can Hernandez do that King can't? Hernandez has a curve that only goes to one side, King can curve both ways, though his curve to the right is almost non-existent.
It comes down to personal preference and if you have better luck with Hernandez pitching more power to you. I personally pick my pitcher based off of what I need at the moment when it comes down to the fact that both of the pitchers I have to choose from suck. It'd be different if Detroit had an ace reliever to pick from.
Well, I guess your last sentence is part of what I dispute. I think Hernandez is an ace reliever. He's a top 3 RP in my opinion. I just find it very difficult to understand how somebody who has played so long can think so flawed--King = Hernandez.
I understand the "it's personal preference," theory, but to me, you might as well state that you like shit chips and oreo cookies about the same (albeit not all that much).
Sure I get that, but the main reason I think King and Hernandez are so evenly matched is because Hernandez only has a curveball one way. That serverly limits his effectiveness overall. King only rates a smidge higher because he can pitch to both sides of the plate.....barely. I've played Detroit as my main team since we got the game in '87/'88 and I've had more success using King.
sarc, did you know that curving pitches will NOT decrease your stamina? it is fastballs and slowballs that decrease it.
because hernandez has better curve (and enough to bend it away from a righthanded batter--starting as a ball or throwing a strike on the corner), he outranks king in my estimation.
king has better drop, but that will tire a pitcher out faster. hernandez's speed differential between fastball and slowball also give him an advantage.
the way i look at it, king should be used almost how an mlb specialty lefty would be used out of the bullpen--just to get one guy out. but in kings case, it would be a righty getting a righty out.
TBG...I was with ya until the very end...are you saying you'd only bring in King (a righty) to face a righty? I guess it's all about what you're used to...
yes, because he can break it off the plate away. (i don't pitch inside much) i'm scared. i feel that there's less chance to get hurt if you keep it off the place outside. just my preference.
The ball seems to actually "get bigger" with King on the hill. His dropball isnt that great and his fastball is BP at best. I agree with Dirt, he may very well be the worst pitcher on the game.
Quote from: TBG on 08/09/06, 09:35:28 PM
yes, because he can break it off the plate away. (i don't pitch inside much) i'm scared. i feel that there's less chance to get hurt if you keep it off the place outside. just my preference.
Where is King on the rubber when you are facing a R batter and keeping the ball away?
king is on the right side of the rubber, as i'm looking at the screen. so he's set up outside and i can work the ball with curves off the outside of the plate or nip it.
Pat Sheridan is good
Quote from: TBG on 08/09/06, 10:24:25 PM
king is on the right side of the rubber, as i'm looking at the screen. so he's set up outside and i can work the ball with curves off the outside of the plate or nip it.
This is not a winning strategy with King. Sure, it's the only way to pitch him, but it's bound to get blasted. That's percisely why he sucks. That's also why it's more ideal to do this strategy with the oppo hand as the batter.
Quote from: JoeDirt on 08/10/06, 06:24:47 PM
That's also why it's more ideal to do this strategy with the oppo hand as the batter.
i guess i would have to agree with you. but i don't consider king better than hernandez in the first place. i was just describing how i use him. you make a good point and i'd have to change my strategy to what you suggest and try it some. unfortunately all i have to play against is the computer.
I fear that I have turned into an RBI snob--an elitest, if you will.
To quote Russell Hammond: "I am a golden god."
i've never had quality competition in rbi on a regular basis in my life. so what do i know, really? most of my games consist of straight-pitch on the outside part of the plate to the cpu.
Well, lemme tell you with 100% conviction, that shit doesn't work with human opponents. Also, didn't you play in fighton's mini-tourney?
that was one day and like 8 games. plus i only won two of them.
...and now you know why.
i never said i was good, only what was effective for me. and that happens to be against the computer. take it for what it's worth, albeit, not much.
Does this mean I'm no longer getting my 1986 Ca calendar from you?
i counted seven posts in this thread where i address the issue of king. it's about six more than i would have liked to have made discussing a crappy pitcher.
the calendar WAS a 1989 angels calendar, and we settled this a long time ago. they're gone now.
let me get back to work! i'm doing drawrings.
Gone? GONE? Damnation, TBG. Damnation.
Quote from: TBG on 08/10/06, 11:06:40 PM
let me get back to work! i'm doing drawrings.
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