Team Ranking thread..

[JoeDirt]

Eric King is the worst pitcher in the game.  Period.  I will allow for arguments that he's slightly less-worse than Moore or Schraldi, but I will not allow such speak as Hernandez is worse than King.  That's just silly (note: this is in reference to Anything Goes only).  That's like telling a Nascar expert that a supped-up Chevorlet is as good as Tony Stewart's car.  Just unacceptable.  Period.

[ultimate7]

That's like telling a Nascar expert that a supped-up Chevorlet is as good as Tony Stewart's car. 

The difference isn't nearly that great, neither are great pitchers

[JoeDirt]

Yes, yes it is.  Willy is the saving grace of that staff.  He is a top 3 RP (off of the top of my head).

[ericdavisfan]

Yes, yes it is.  Willy is the saving grace of that staff.  He is a top 3 RP (off of the top of my head).

You're probably in love with Pat Sheridan, too.

I will make the concession that I play the majority of my games against the computer.  I am not a fan of Guillermo, though.

[JoeDirt]

No.  PS is #3 on the PH list for Dt for me...furthermore, he doesn't even ave 1 ab per game for me.

[BDawk]

I hate this thread

[JoeDirt]

Do you even play RBI, BDawk?

[Sarc]

Eric King is the worst pitcher in the game.  Period.  I will allow for arguments that he's slightly less-worse than Moore or Schraldi, but I will not allow such speak as Hernandez is worse than King.  That's just silly (note: this is in reference to Anything Goes only).  That's like telling a Nascar expert that a supped-up Chevorlet is as good as Tony Stewart's car.  Just unacceptable.  Period.

I'm not saying King>Hernandez or Hernandez>King. I've been using Detroit since I first started playing this game in the 80's and IMO they are about equal when playing curve pitch. They are both average if that. Alexander is the only pitcher on Detroit's staff that resembles anything close to "good". I've never been a big fan of Morris though he is okay I suppose, and shit Morris is great when compared to King/Hernandez. I can think of some other pitchers that suck just as much as King, but yeah when it comes down to it, depending on what the situation calls for, I'll give the nod to King over Hernandez when playing curve pitch 1 starter only rules.

And yeah Sheridan is a pretty decent PH, but I prefer Madlock most of the time. Again depends on the situation.

[JoeDirt]

You've already said all of that.  That is the very thing that I dispute.

[Sarc]

So what you're disputing the fact that I think unless the situation calls for a certain choice that King would be the better first option? Since I play with a 1 starting pitcher policy it's a toss up between King/Hernandez. You may think it's blasphemy me saying that Hernandez shouldn't be the first choice but I say who cares when they are equally mediocre.

Really what can Hernandez do that King can't? Hernandez has a curve that only goes to one side, King can curve both ways, though his curve to the right is almost non-existent.

It comes down to personal preference and if you have better luck with Hernandez pitching more power to you. I personally pick my pitcher based off of what I need at the moment when it comes down to the fact that both of the pitchers I have to choose from suck. It'd be different if Detroit had an ace reliever to pick from.

[JoeDirt]

Well, I guess your last sentence is part of what I dispute.  I think Hernandez is an ace reliever.  He's a top 3 RP in my opinion.  I just find it very difficult to understand how somebody who has played so long can think so flawed--King = Hernandez. 

I understand the "it's personal preference," theory, but to me, you might as well state that you like shit chips and oreo cookies about the same (albeit not all that much).

[Sarc]

Sure I get that, but the main reason I think King and Hernandez are so evenly matched is because Hernandez only has a curveball one way. That serverly limits his effectiveness overall. King only rates a smidge higher because he can pitch to both sides of the plate.....barely. I've played Detroit as my main team since we got the game in '87/'88 and I've had more success using King.

[TβG]

sarc, did you know that curving pitches will NOT decrease your stamina?  it is fastballs and slowballs that decrease it.

because hernandez has better curve (and enough to bend it away from a righthanded batter--starting as a ball or throwing a strike on the corner), he outranks king in my estimation.

king has better drop, but that will tire a pitcher out faster.  hernandez's speed differential between fastball and slowball also give him an advantage.

the way i look at it, king should be used almost how an mlb specialty lefty would be used out of the bullpen--just to get one guy out.  but in kings case, it would be a righty getting a righty out.

[JoeDirt]

TBG...I was with ya until the very end...are you saying you'd only bring in King (a righty) to face a righty?  I guess it's all about what you're used to...

[TβG]

yes, because he can break it off the plate away.  (i don't pitch inside much)  i'm scared.  i feel that there's less chance to get hurt if you keep it off the place outside.  just my preference.

[Clambutt]

The ball seems to actually "get bigger" with King on the hill.  His dropball isnt that great and his fastball is BP at best.  I agree with Dirt, he may very well be the worst pitcher on the game.

[JoeDirt]

yes, because he can break it off the plate away.  (i don't pitch inside much)  i'm scared.  i feel that there's less chance to get hurt if you keep it off the place outside.  just my preference.

Where is King on the rubber when you are facing a  R batter and keeping the ball away?

[TβG]

king is on the right side of the rubber, as i'm looking at the screen.   so he's set up outside and i can work the ball with curves off the outside of the plate or nip it.

[BDawk]

Pat Sheridan is good

[ericdavisfan]

Pat Sheridan is good at being worthless