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Situation:  Runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs.  High fly ball in the infield that will land near the base line b/w first and second base.

Infielder purposely lets the ball drop to get the easy double play (possible tripple play if close enough to 1st base).
Is this just being an asshole, or simply playing by the rules the RBI Gods put in the game (ie.. no infield fly rule)?

I (along with all my college roommates) believe in the latter.  However, some people get really pissed off if you are playing them for the first time and this stunt is pulled.

It's bush league in my opinion.

Rules of baseball should over-take RBI rules (when possible).

i do it. if the game allows it, there's no way a person can legitimately protest.

The game allows this to happen, and it's therefore 100% legitimate.  Sure, it's a cheap shot, but as long as both players have the ability to do this, then it's fair. 

JoeDirt will not and has not stooped to this level of lowness.

Although i've only played other people in the straight-pitch league (and a game or two with you, Ryno), I would not pull this stunt unless someone pulled it on me first.

And even though I think it's cheap, I don't think I'd be pissed at somebody for pulling it on me.  The game allows it, so it's fair game.

...I do wish they had taken the infield fly rule into account when designing the game.  Along with other things, of course.  But this is the game, it has character, and we love it, quirks included.

Intentionally dropping a ball is the epitome of bush league.  If anyone does it to me I kick them in the nuts.  It's pretty fucking simple.  It's a cheeseball pussy move and only little girls do it.

Quote from: fknmclane on 02/28/05, 11:20:39 AM
Intentionally dropping a ball is the epitome of bush league.  If anyone does it to me I kick them in the nuts.  It's pretty fucking simple.  It's a cheeseball pussy move and only little girls do it.

So are you at an advantage in this situation not being a good fielder.... Or to BOB, for that matter?

Personally, I think if you are that worried about that outcome, you should bunt the runners over.  I am glad some people agree with me that it is acceptable.  The way I have always looked at it is a pop up in the infield is probably worse than a ground ball in the infield, so you should get penalized just as bad (ie a double play).

a poll?

Let me try and explain my position in another way.  If I was playing a real baseball game and was manning second base with men on first and second and the batter hit a lazy fly right to me and I intentionally let it fall, I would get my ass beat.

But wait...that would never happen because there is a rule against being a vagina.

Quote from: fknmclane on 02/28/05, 11:48:01 AM

But wait...that would never happen because there is a rule against being a vagina.

Too bad... You are what you eat!

Nicely done.

I just feel very strongly about this. It's a cardinal sin of RBI in my house and punishment is dished out accordingly.

No problem.  If for some reason our RBI paths ever cross, I will back-off.  For all others, beware.  I need to do something to beef up my shitty deffense.

I don't care, as long as both players know what the rules are.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 02/28/05, 12:09:00 PM
I don't care, as long as both players know what the rules are.

Problem is, this is such a rare occurance that it is very rarely discussed before a game when playing a person you haven't played before.
It's tough to pull "house rules" when you are in Online Play.

I agree with McLane that it's extremely bush-league.  The game allows it, so there shouldn't be any sort of penalty, but I'd reserve the right to berate the opponent for being a jerk, and I still wouldn't stoop to it.

No way.  This behavior is totally legit and should probably be encouraged.  The Tengenites overlooking the infield fly rule is not different that their inability to code well enough to prevent the wallzie.  It's not like we have to restart the game or fly into a bitch-fit everytime len dykstra pokes one through the fence.  To quote those damn evil empire EA bastards, "if it's in the game, it's in the game."

i agree with mclane.  intentional dropping is a total bitch move.

Quote from: fknmclane on 02/28/05, 11:58:39 AMI just feel very strongly about this. It's a cardinal sin of RBI in my house and punishment is dished out accordingly.

Get used to it 'cause there's no rule against it in the tourney!

the game also allows for you to give your controller a little pull thus jarring the nintedo and fucking up the game. You can say it was an accident and escape the obvious loss you had coming. This is not to say this is acceptable.

Quote from: Ryno23 on 02/28/05, 11:04:34 AM
JoeDirt will not and has not stooped to this level of lowness.

I prefer to have a rule established before play.  I personally do not see it as a problem, but Ryno, I play gentleman's rules with you because 1) it's just a friendly game--no money involved, 2) you uphold the same rules, and 3) it's been established btwn the two of us before game play began.

However, I prefer to play without the infield fly rule for the simple reason of it being too subjective.  Yeah, you can usually tell what is catchable and what is not, but what about the deep semi-line drive to the 2b where if he takes a half step back, it bounces, if he takes a half step forward, it doesn't.  It's just too subjective.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 02/28/05, 01:26:39 PM

Quote from: Ryno23 on 02/28/05, 11:04:34 AM
JoeDirt will not and has not stooped to this level of lowness.

I prefer to have a rule established before play.  I personally do not see it as a problem, but Ryno, I play gentleman's rules with you because 1) it's just a friendly game--no money involved, 2) you uphold the same rules, and 3) it's been established btwn the two of us before game play began.

However, I prefer to play without the infield fly rule for the simple reason of it being too subjective.  Yeah, you can usually tell what is catchable and what is not, but what about the deep semi-line drive to the 2b where if he takes a half step back, it bounces, if he takes a half step forward, it doesn't.  It's just too subjective.

you forgot #4:   Ryno Sucks ass

Right.  And there have been times where the ball lands in the short OF where I have gotten burned dropping the ball (since my opponent was paying attention and kept his runners 1/2 way b/w bases).

In my opinion, there is nothing better than when McGwire comes up with the bases loaded and completely chokes hitting a super shitty high fly in the infield.  He get's what he deserves in RBI... a double play and 3 LOB>

Don't get me wrong, I am not going to pull this off against my little niece, but a competetive player should be able to take it, if he hits a shitty infield fly ball.

I think it's a cheap move, but aren't cheap moves what video games are all about?  When I play nintendo with my friends, we always try to piss each other off.  Also, I agree that there's an element of risk with the infield fly.  Not only can you mess up the double play, but it could bounce over your head or off it.  To me, having an infield fly rule is just like any other rule modification.  Some people like to play slurve, some straight pitch, but I like to play anything goes.

Quote from: BeeJay on 02/28/05, 02:10:00 PM
When I play nintendo with my friends, we always try to piss each other off. 

Can I hear an Amen? ;D

kind of like the original MK you could just keep sweeping the guy and he would never be able to recover.

Quote from: malnuboy on 02/28/05, 01:25:48 PM
the game also allows for you to give your controller a little pull thus jarring the nintedo and fucking up the game. You can say it was an accident and escape the obvious loss you had coming. This is not to say this is acceptable.

the game also allows you to cover the shadow of a fly ball with your hand.

the game also allows you to punch your opponent in the face as he is attempting to hit your Roger Clemens fastball.

the game allows you to pause, say you have to go to the bathroom, and then have sex with your opponents wife instead.

None of these are acceptable.  Nor is intentionally dropping a pop up.

I agree. And Strassy, tell your wife I said "hi".

i'm not married!  but tell your wife i said hi back!

So then is it also not acceptable to cover the shadow of the ball with your base runner....
or to roll the ball to 2nd base so the base stealer does not slide....

What happens when you catch a ball against the wall, but the game calls it foul?...

Or when your stupid OF throws the ball into the stands?  Are the runners only allowed a one base advance.... or when the ball clearly hooks around the fair pole, and it is ruled foul... Do you let the batter get a home run?  
If a ball is hit into the Right/Center gap, are you not allowed to push left+B to throw the guy out at 2nd (since the runner will not slide).  What if a ball is called a strike, even though the bat was checked and clearly does not go far enough around to be called a strike in "real baseball"?
What do YOU do when your opponents baserunner is unable to tag up since he already has gone to the next base?  Do you not throw him out anyway.
Are you not allowed to bunt down the 1st/3rd base line since it is an unfair advantage since the game does not allow the corners to play in?

There are countless rules in the RBI world that are different than the "real baseball" rules.   I feel that you should be able to play w/in the rules of the game to gain your own competetive advantage.  At least some players agree with me.

Side note:  I love these debates.  Isn't this awesome how we can have such great arguments about a 1980s NES game?? ;D

Quote from: Strassy on 02/28/05, 04:07:35 PM
i'm not married! but tell your wife i said hi back!

Then did I have sex with you that night?

P.S. - I gave my wife herpes so she could pass them on to you. You're welcome...

Quote from: stockw19 on 02/28/05, 04:13:47 PM
So then is it also not acceptable to cover the shadow of the ball with your base runner....
or to roll the ball to 2nd base so the base stealer does not slide....

What happens when you catch a ball against the wall, but the game calls it foul?...

Or when your stupid OF throws the ball into the stands?  Are the runners only allowed a one base advance.... or when the ball clearly hooks around the fair pole, and it is ruled foul... Do you let the batter get a home run?  
If a ball is hit into the Right/Center gap, are you not allowed to push left+B to throw the guy out at 2nd (since the runner will not slide).  What if a ball is called a strike, even though the bat was checked and clearly does not go far enough around to be called a strike in "real baseball"?
What do YOU do when your opponents baserunner is unable to tag up since he already has gone to the next base?  Do you not throw him out anyway.
Are you not allowed to bunt down the 1st/3rd base line since it is an unfair advantage since the game does not allow the corners to play in?

There are countless rules in the RBI world that are different than the "real baseball" rules.   I feel that you should be able to play w/in the rules of the game to gain your own competetive advantage.  At least some players agree with me.

Side note:  I love these debates.  Isn't this awesome how we can have such great arguments about a 1980s NES game?? ;D

These are lumped under the "judgment call" segment of the rulebook. 

IF fly is IF fly.  If the infielder is able to catch it, then it's an IF fly.


The "staying power" of RBI never ceases to amaze me!

My opinion: None of the items you cited makes the game less fun.  I find that not honoring the infield fly rule makes the game less fun.

I do not find a lack of IF rule to cause less fun.  I do, however, find the thrown ball into the stands to be "less fun."

RYNO--from this day forward, I refuse to acknowledge your precious, so-called "infield fly rule."  :-\

Hopeless issue.  I quit arguing over this years ago - http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=394.0

I think it depends on the context of your game, too: If someone doesn't honor the IF fly rule at the COTUT, fine.  If my buddy sitting next to me does the same thing during a friendly game, I'm gonna be pissed.

Friendly games?  Those haven't existed since 3rd grade for me... the cutthroat competition between my friends and I started around 4th grade.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 02/28/05, 05:09:39 PM
RYNO--from this day forward, I refuse to acknowledge your precious, so-called "infield fly rule."  :-\

That's cool.  I hit weak grounders to 2b. . . . . i rarely hit IF flies.

point well taken.

Robert's Rules of Order, people.

I really can't understand the argument that the IF fly one way or another makes the game less fun, it's different.  If you play true anything goes, the IF popups are fair game and another point of possible strategy, that can backfire.

It is absolutely unnacaptable to do this.  If this occurs, this person should be banned from the league immediately.  If it was exhibition, never play that person again.

Quote from: josephady on 02/28/05, 10:59:29 PM
unnacaptable

This is perhaps the greatest misspelling ever.  It doesn't even work phonetically.

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After consulting with a panel of experts, I've determined that if someone drops an infield fly ball against you, it's perfectly acceptable to walk straight out to the parking lot and lay a log on the hood of his car.

I don't care if the game technically allows you to do it -- if you do it, it's just stupid.

i agree that it is absolutely the nature of nintendo to do whatever the game allows you to do to win. i would never quit a game because someone did this, i would probably get pissed and play better. if your reaction to not liking the way a person plays is to not play them again, that's lame. i'd rather beat people that make me mad.

I can't wait to play mclane in the tourney and pull this move every chance i get!

ACCEPTABLE!!!
RBI Baseball is far from real baseball. It's probably closer to tennis than baseball.
Therefore, no rules of real baseball apply to RBI.

Do all you haters think it's equally wrong to purposefully drop an IF fly to throw the faster baserunner out?

For example, Coleman on 1st, one out, JClark skies the ball to the ss.  Is it wrong, IYO, for the ss to let the ball bounce in front of him so he can throw Coleman out at 2nd and let JClark be the new runner at 1st?

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/01/05, 07:23:56 AM
Do all you haters think it's equally wrong to purposefully drop an IF fly to throw the faster baserunner out?

For example, Coleman on 1st, one out, JClark skies the ball to the ss.  Is it wrong, IYO, for the ss to let the ball bounce in front of him so he can throw Coleman out at 2nd and let JClark be the new runner at 1st?

I'm torn on that one.  It's a moral gray area - I wouldn't do it, I don't think, but I wouldn't judge someone too harshly for it.

It'd be fine in your example, though, because your example is impossible - Coleman can't be on first with less than 2 outs and Clark up.

Yeah yeah...Smith, then--biotch!

But you get the point.  That is clearly illegal in "real" baseball, yet generally accepted in RBI. 

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/01/05, 07:44:07 AM
Yeah yeah...Smith, then--biotch!

But you get the point.  That is clearly illegal in "real" baseball, yet generally accepted in RBI. 

I'm pretty sure the IF fly rule only applies with runners at first and second or the bases loaded.  I think that'd be legal in regular baseball.

This would be perfectly legal in regular baseball.  I have also been known to do this on occasion.  I only would risk it though if there would be a noticeable speed difference (I probably would not trade smith for coleman on the base paths just because they are both pretty fast).  However, I would let the ball drop on a JClark pop up  to throw out THerr.

Quote from: josephady on 02/28/05, 10:59:29 PM
It is absolutely unnacaptable to do this. If this occurs, this person should be banned from the league immediately. If it was exhibition, never play that person again.

Well he is certainly an expert at identifying cheaters.

Everybody that agrees that this is not cheating is clearly not voting.  I know more than 4 people in this thread do not feel this is bush league.  Oh well, one thing is for sure;  100% care!

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/01/05, 07:23:56 AM
Do all you haters think it's equally wrong to purposefully drop an IF fly to throw the faster baserunner out?

For example, Coleman on 1st, one out, JClark skies the ball to the ss.  Is it wrong, IYO, for the ss to let the ball bounce in front of him so he can throw Coleman out at 2nd and let JClark be the new runner at 1st?

This is an allowed practice even in real baseball. . .  . .i think. . .. .yeah, it is.

Quote from: BeefMaster on 03/01/05, 07:46:07 AM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/01/05, 07:44:07 AM
Yeah yeah...Smith, then--biotch!

But you get the point. That is clearly illegal in "real" baseball, yet generally accepted in RBI.

I'm pretty sure the IF fly rule only applies with runners at first and second or the bases loaded. I think that'd be legal in regular baseball.

I am 100% positive you are wrong...it's in effect with a man on 1st and less than 2 outs, too.

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/01/05, 07:56:20 AM
This would be perfectly legal in regular baseball. I have also been known to do this on occasion. I only would risk it though if there would be a noticeable speed difference (I probably would not trade smith for coleman on the base paths just because they are both pretty fast). However, I would let the ball drop on a JClark pop up to throw out THerr.

In real baseball, it is not legal.  IF fly rule is called while the ball is still in the air and is ruled a dead ball--all base runners return to their original base.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/01/05, 09:09:58 AM

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/01/05, 07:56:20 AM
This would be perfectly legal in regular baseball. I have also been known to do this on occasion. I only would risk it though if there would be a noticeable speed difference (I probably would not trade smith for coleman on the base paths just because they are both pretty fast). However, I would let the ball drop on a JClark pop up to throw out THerr.

In real baseball, it is not legal.  IF fly rule is called while the ball is still in the air and is ruled a dead ball--all base runners return to their original base.

Ehh, wrong.  IF rule is not a dead ball.  It is a live ball, the batter is out, and the baserunners may advance at their own risk.


Also, the IF fly rule only applies with runners at 1st and 2nd or with the bases loaded.  The reason it is not in effect with only a runner on 1st is because there's no 'easy' double play in that situation.  When runners are on 1st and 2nd, all you have to do is let the ball drop and fire it around the IF for a DP. 

Right.  IF fly rule cannot come into play with only a runner on 1st base and less than 2 outs.  Only for runners on 1st and second & bases loaded.

I thought I was going crazy for a second, since when I coached/umped Select Little League, this was the rule.  I was wondering why it would be different for MLB.  Glad to see it is not.

Ah fuck it.  I'm too lazy to look it up.  You bring up little league baseball--the rules I'm quoting were the rules we used when I coached an 8th grade league.  I too, assume they'd be the same in the majors--but who knows.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/01/05, 10:24:28 AM
Ah fuck it.  I'm too lazy to look it up.  You bring up little league baseball--the rules I'm quoting were the rules we used when I coached an 8th grade league.  I too, assume they'd be the same in the majors--but who knows.

You're afraid to admit that dumb hick like me knows something you don't (other than how to make moonshine and fuck my cousin / sister).

Still pretty sure it applies to MLB too.  I will try to look it up when I get home.

Personally, I think this is a stupid rule in baseball since it is subjective.  I have seen this called in the Majors when it probably should not have been called and vice-versa.
Also, I recall a play made by Greg Maddux.  Runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs.  The pitcher bunts.  The ball is popped up toward the pitchers mound.  Maddux could have easily caught this, but instead he lets it drop in front of him and then starts the 1 - 5 - 4 double play.  I don't recall anyone saying this was a cheap play.  Infact, I remember the anouncers mentioning how heads up this was on Maddux's part.  And then followed by some other bullshit like "that is why he is an X-time gold glover, yada yada".

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/01/05, 10:41:32 AM
Still pretty sure it applies to MLB too.  I will try to look it up when I get home.

Personally, I think this is a stupid rule in baseball since it is subjective.  I have seen this called in the Majors when it probably should not have been called and vice-versa.
Also, I recall a play made by Greg Maddux.  Runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs.  The pitcher bunts.  The ball is popped up toward the pitchers mound.  Maddux could have easily caught this, but instead he lets it drop in front of him and then starts the 1 - 5 - 4 double play.  I don't recall anyone saying this was a cheap play.  Infact, I remember the anouncers mentioning how heads up this was on Maddux's part.  And then followed by some other bullshit like "that is why he is an X-time gold glover, yada yada".

Mad Dog knew the rules.  A bunt is not a fly ball. 


In 1997 the Cubs were playing the Giants.  Giants had runners on 1st and 2nd when the batter hit's a pop up to deep short / short LF. . . . . Dunston (with his back to the OF) charges out to make the play.   The ump calls IF fly.  Dunston ends up not catching the ball in the air, thus confusing the runners (completely on accident).  The runners fuck up and get off base, Dunston fires to the IF and next thing you know, there's a triple play.

Needless to say the Giants Manager was not too happy.  That play got into the phantom zone. . . . is it in the OF or the IF??????   The ump said that since the IF had his back to the OF, then it's an IF fly. . . . . . . .

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Mad Dog knew the rules.  A bunt is not a fly ball. 

So, what if it were a check swing, where the ball took the exact same arc?  And what if it were quick enough where the ump did not make the call?
Would this still have been a bitch play.

From the official MLB rules glossary (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/definition_terms_2.jsp):
"An INFIELD FLY is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first, second and third bases are occupied, before two are out."

So just a runner at first does not trigger the infield fly rule.  However, it may trigger rule 6.05L:
A batter is out when: ... (l) An infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive, with first, first and second, first and third, or first, second and third base occupied before two are out. The ball is dead and runner or runners shall return to their original base or bases; APPROVED RULING: In this situation, the batter is not out if the infielder permits the ball to drop untouched to the ground, except when the Infield Fly rule applies.

It appears, though, that an RBI-style intentional drop would not trigger this rule, because the ball would drop untouched, as in the approved ruling.  Bottom line, it appears that the intentional miss with a runner at first is not a breach of the rules.

In your Maddux example, it was a bunt, which is explicitly mentioned in the definition of infield fly as an exclusion to the rule.

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/01/05, 10:55:29 AM

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Mad Dog knew the rules.  A bunt is not a fly ball. 

So, what if it were a check swing, where the ball took the exact same arc?  And what if it were quick enough where the ump did not make the call?
Would this still have been a bitch play.

check swing is a swing --- IF fly rule in effect.


This is all speculation on my part, of course.

My thinking is that with a bunt, you are letting the world know that you intend on putting the ball on the ground.  I doubt there's ever been a bunter that wanted to pop up a bunt.

Surely to God there is a rules expert here in Dee Nee land!

QuoteThat play got into the phantom zone. . . . is it in the OF or the IF?Huh??   The ump said that since the IF had his back to the OF, then it's an IF fly. . . . . . . .

That's how I'd make the ruling, too - it at least appears to the ump that the infielder will make the play "with ordinary effort".

Quote from: BeefMaster on 03/01/05, 10:58:42 AM
From the official MLB rules glossary (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/official_rules/definition_terms_2.jsp):
"An INFIELD FLY is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first, second and third bases are occupied, before two are out."

So just a runner at first does not trigger the infield fly rule.  However, it may trigger rule 6.05L:
A batter is out when: ... (l) An infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive, with first, first and second, first and third, or first, second and third base occupied before two are out. The ball is dead and runner or runners shall return to their original base or bases; APPROVED RULING: In this situation, the batter is not out if the infielder permits the ball to drop untouched to the ground, except when the Infield Fly rule applies.

It appears, though, that an RBI-style intentional drop would not trigger this rule, because the ball would drop untouched, as in the approved ruling.  Bottom line, it appears that the intentional miss with a runner at first is not a breach of the rules.

In your Maddux example, it was a bunt, which is explicitly mentioned in the definition of infield fly as an exclusion to the rule.

Today I feel somewhat intelligent.. . . . as opposed to most days when I know i'm a complete dufus.

Thanks for looking it up!

So from what I can see, when I play RBI, I will do what I damn well please until the ump calls the runner out on an ifield fly.  If he does not call the runner out, then he must have used his judgement and decided it could not have been caught using "ordinary effort".

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/01/05, 11:07:47 AM
Thanks for looking it up!

So from what I can see, when I play RBI, I will do what I damn well please until the ump calls the runner out on an ifield fly.  If he does not call the runner out, then he must have used his judgement and decided it could not have been caught using "ordinary effort".

Nightwuld should program BeefMaster into RBI as an umpire.

This should be easy.

Just not sure why a player should get rewarded by hitting a weak IF pop-up.  When I played ball, I got bitched at a lot more for hitting a weak pop up than for a hard hit grounder.

I say let the guy with the weak pop up get burned just as badly as the guy who hits a hard grounder to the shortstop.  The RBI MIB let it slide, and I like it!

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/01/05, 03:24:54 PM
Just not sure why a player should get rewarded by hitting a weak IF pop-up.  When I played ball, I got bitched at a lot more for hitting a weak pop up than for a hard hit grounder.

I say let the guy with the weak pop up get burned just as badly as the guy who hits a hard grounder to the shortstop.  The RBI MIB let it slide, and I like it!

The voice of the people says otherwise.

The people rule, dawg!

I think I voted bush league, but that doesn't mean I don't do it.  I pull out that move about every other time it happens because it keeps the other player on his toes and gets him annoyed.  I'm also a cheap guy, like Troy from the Goonies.

Same strategy I use.  I, however, have never purposely done this in Online Play. The small amount of lag in the fielding can be enough to really screw you over if you don't time the drop perfectly.

The few times I've played online I never try anything funny, mainly since the lag's such a bitch and some people have shitty/no controllers.  If I see the other guy's having trouble, I'll stop at second when I could take third, or I'll let a guy go back to a base instead of running him down.

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/01/05, 03:44:30 PM
Same strategy I use.  I, however, have never purposely done this in Online Play. The small amount of lag in the fielding can be enough to really screw you over if you don't time the drop perfectly.

But would you use an enhanced version of Bob Brenly? ;)

Of course not.  No, wait......  :-\

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/01/05, 09:08:41 AM

Quote from: BeefMaster on 03/01/05, 07:46:07 AM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/01/05, 07:44:07 AM
Yeah yeah...Smith, then--biotch!

But you get the point. That is clearly illegal in "real" baseball, yet generally accepted in RBI.

I'm pretty sure the IF fly rule only applies with runners at first and second or the bases loaded. I think that'd be legal in regular baseball.

I am 100% positive you are wrong...it's in effect with a man on 1st and less than 2 outs, too.

Joe Dirt is wrong here- infield fly rule applies only 1st and 2nd or bases loaded.  It is perfectly fair to drop ball to throw out faster runner at 2nd, in fact I have none other than Alan Trammel actually do it in real baseball.  (Weak pop to deep short, he let it drop and threw the guy out at 2nd base).

RBI should be played "as is" other than infield fly rule and throwing errors. (outfielder throws it past a stationary first or third baseman to the backstop- runners should not be able to run)

QuoteRBI should be played "as is" other than infield fly rule and throwing errors. (outfielder throws it past a stationary first or third baseman to the backstop- runners should not be able to run)

disagree w/ both.  It is too subjective to say if the "drop" was done intentional or not.  I have for one let a ball drop in front of me countless times by accident.  Read my other posts to this thread for more of my feedback on this.
The ball thrown past a stationary catcher (for example) can easily be prevented by hitting your cutoff men.  If you are making a very far desperation throw, you are leaving it to chance that the ball may not be throw perfectly online.

Bush league no matter how you try and justify it, no matter what situation.  Dropping a ball on purpose is for weenies.  That's all I'm gonna say on the subject.

Joe, I would expect nothing less from you in the tourney.

So are you saying I'm a weenie?

If that's bush league, then wouldn't it also be bush to throw the ball home when someone is stealing? It's pretty much impossible to steal a base when done properly.

Right on.
It is part of the game.  I love it when my roommate has the bases loaded and skies one in the infieild with McGwire.  He knows the double play is coming, and the inning is over!  And you know what, he cannot wait to do it back to me the next opportunity he gets.  Why should I reward him for a IF pop-up w/ Mac?  He would get the same treatment with a hard hit grounder fielded by the SS.  This is RBI, it is not REAL baseball.

Quote from: stockw19 on 03/01/05, 06:37:30 PM

QuoteRBI should be played "as is" other than infield fly rule and throwing errors. (outfielder throws it past a stationary first or third baseman to the backstop- runners should not be able to run)

disagree w/ both.  It is too subjective to say if the "drop" was done intentional or not.  I have for one let a ball drop in front of me countless times by accident.  Read my other posts to this thread for more of my feedback on this.
The ball thrown past a stationary catcher (for example) can easily be prevented by hitting your cutoff men.  If you are making a very far desperation throw, you are leaving it to chance that the ball may not be throw perfectly online.

i think there is some question about the throwing errors (shouldjust be agreed upon before the game by both sides) but i really believe infield fly rule should always be in effect.

what is the official rule at the big columbus tourney?  i believe i read somewhere that infield fly is in effect.

Sure, that is fine.  But if nobody says anything before I play them, then RBI rules are in effect.  Not a big fan of changing the rules of a game.  What if you were playing the Am allstars and when you went to put McGwire in the 8-spot, you were told that you couldn't sub Mac for a catcher?  This would never happen in REAL baseball, but RBI is different.  Different rules; different game.

Mclane's just mad because he doesn't have his retropad and can't win online (I think I've pulled the dropped IF fly every time I've played him).  It's one of my favorite things to do in RBI because the guy on offense is screwed no matter what.

Quote from: BeeJay on 03/02/05, 10:52:19 AM
Mclane's just mad because he doesn't have his retropad and can't win online (I think I've pulled the dropped IF fly every time I've played him).  It's one of my favorite things to do in RBI because the guy on offense is screwed no matter what.

Yup, Beej is a weenie and so is JoeD.

I always wished I was an Oscar Mayer Weiner.  My dreams have finally come true.

Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 03/02/05, 10:04:58 AM
what is the official rule at the big columbus tourney? i believe i read somewhere that infield fly is in effect.

There is no infield fly rule.  It's just too subjective, especially when money is involved.  The last thing I need is to have a big dispute about whether somebody did or did not intentionally drop an infield fly.  Besides, I'm gonna be busy winning the tourney.  :)

I eat pieces of weenie like you for breakfast.  ;)

I suspected you "eat weenie..."

Quote from: JoeDirt on 03/02/05, 08:34:01 PM

Quote from: Big Apple RBI Champ on 03/02/05, 10:04:58 AM
what is the official rule at the big columbus tourney? i believe i read somewhere that infield fly is in effect.

There is no infield fly rule.  It's just too subjective, especially when money is involved.  The last thing I need is to have a big dispute about whether somebody did or did not intentionally drop an infield fly.  Besides, I'm gonna be busy winning the tourney.  :)

this is a great point

Quote from: fknmclane on 02/28/05, 11:21:16 PM

Quote from: josephady on 02/28/05, 10:59:29 PM
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This is perhaps the greatest misspelling ever.  It doesn't even work phonetically.

ONLY BUSH LEAGUE BITCHES DROP FLY BALLS ON PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This may be my favorite post of all time  :)  I don't know why I found it so funny, but I actually spit on my laptop screen the abrupt burst of laughter, and I had two students looking in my office window, wondering why I was laughing at my computer

We play it that you have to make a good faith effort to catch the ball.  If it BOPs or something then all rules are off.  This reminds me of other unspoken rules like waiting to pitch until the batter is ready(finished drinking or sneezing) or apologizing after quick pitching someone when they wanted to call time out.  It is a gentlemans game right?  Well except for the beer bitch who is an ugly scum who needs his dick kicked.

I like this forsheet character.

Intentional drops is bush league, I'll take it one step further.

It's come to the point where when me and OctoFranco play, if you quick pitch and you want the batter pinch hit for, all you have to do is make a sound and it's immediately thrown for a ball.

It is total Bush League, and Strassy and I have implemented them as law.

However, there is a variation to consider.  Say there is only one runner on base (first), and it is a speedy guy (Coleman, for example), and a slow guy (Jack Clark) hits a pop up.  Is it acceptable to drop the ball on purpose to get Coleman out at 2nd, since it is not technically an infield fly rule (though this is a play not used by teams in MLB baseball)?  I say no, but it is in a greyer area than the original question posed.

Absolutely acceptable, a pop up with a guy on first is usually followed by the someone asking "Who would you rather have on base? Pena or Coleman?"

The fact that so many people hate this move makes it that much more appealing.  I also say we retire the term bush league, since no one knows what it actually means.

Quote from: BeeJay on 10/24/05, 12:07:37 PM
I also say we retire the term bush league, since no one knows what it actually means.

I beg to differ...

Quote from: Nacho on 03/02/05, 08:49:26 PM
Well, the answer is actually quite simple.

There are, as we all know, multiple levels of baseball player. Your excellent players (pro players), and your not-so-great players that still enjoy to play the game at a fairly high level. The pro players do so well that they make a lot of money, and as a result, get hot women/wives. The next tier of player, the 'Bush Leaguers,' do not get as hot of women. The pros generally used to make fun of these players back in the day, saying that "the only vagina those guys could ever get are covered in bush." Generally, they are quite right.

Soon, the expression was condensed to "those who bang the bush," then later simply to "Bush Leaguers."

All of the internets pron I look at tells me that there's plenty of nasty skanks who shave their bush.

how come the voting is closed?

I don't know, maybe he had it set to end after 6 months

A rule was established in my high school RBI league that letting a ball drop on purpose in order to make a double play was reprimended with a fine and an automatic disqualification.