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Don't vote Other, If you really want someone else, I'll add them to the poll.

What?

This one is really tough for me, I'd go

Bert Blyleven
Krukow
Valenzuela
Scott

In that order but all very close, I'm gonna vote for Bert

I vote Clemens as best SP.

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EDIT:  This is for the 2 Other votes within 2 minutes of the start of the puhl

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/25/05, 08:24:48 AM
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EDIT:  This is for the 2 Other votes within 2 minutes of the start of the puhl

This is why I love Dee-Nee

It's like saying "don't look down" when on a high building.
It's hard not to do

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/25/05, 08:24:33 AM
I vote Clemens as best SP.

So vote then

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/25/05, 08:24:48 AM
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EDIT: This is for the 2 Other votes within 2 minutes of the start of the puhl

This is why I can't vote for Clemens...I voted OTHER....ahhahahahahahaaha. :(

Johnny Fucking Tudor, that is all.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/25/05, 09:55:31 AM

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/25/05, 08:24:48 AM
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EDIT: This is for the 2 Other votes within 2 minutes of the start of the puhl

This is why I can't vote for Clemens...I voted OTHER....ahhahahahahahaaha. :(

See your cheating didn't pay off this time, you'll learn your lesson, eventually

Clemmons, and if i had a second choice, id either go with the doctor or Nolan.

almost threw my vote to clemens, but then i went Nolan Ryan.  I play with Houston 95% of the time, and Big Nolan is the only thing that keeps me in those games.   We play curve pitch, one starter per game (unless the game goes into extras) and that makes your starting pitcher HUGE.  He's on the hill for me at least seven innings a game, and frequently goes the distance. 

I just spent like 20 minutes trying to create a photoshop of Nolan Ryan's real life head onto the Houston RBI guy.  I don't know how you guys do that stuff, i was failing miserably.

We all know my playing style, but when I dip into curve I am most effect with Blyleven and least effective against him.  His stamina is top-notch (which is definietly important in 1SP games) and just has all sorts of curve. 

The toughest player for me to face for 3 innings is definitely junkmaster Krukow, but he gets tired very quickly...

This was a toss up b/w Blylvn and Ryan.  Although, Blylvn has 4 more stamina points, I still went with Ryan.  Ryan has 19 more Curve-Speed points and the second fastest fastball on the game.  He also has the highest differential b/w fast and curve of all the starters (which can really screw up timing).

Here are my personal rankings for starters and relievers:

Rank	Starter	Reliever
1	N.Ryan	Brnger
2	Blylvn	Hrndez
3	Clemns	McDowl
4	MScott	Grelts
5	Gooden	Henke
6	Tudor	Kerfld
7	Krukow	Bedrsn
8	Vlnzla	Robnsn
9	Sbrhgn	Stanly
10	Viola	Righti
11	Witt	Orosco
12	Reushl	Worrel
13	J.Key	Corbet
14	Sutclf	DSmith
15	Morris	Franco
16	Hurst	Reardn
17	Sutton	Schrld
18	Alxndr	King
19	Ojeda	Dayley
20	Cox	Moore

Quote from: defen on 05/25/05, 10:00:01 AM
Johnny Fucking Tudor, that is all.

Ditto.

Quote from: fknmclane on 05/25/05, 11:19:18 AM

Quote from: defen on 05/25/05, 10:00:01 AM
Johnny Fucking Tudor, that is all.

Ditto.

What is so good about Tudor?  Yes, he is up there with the best, but I cannot see any comparison when comparing to Ryan, Blyleven, Clemens, or Scott.  Is it because he is a lefty or something?  I will admit that he is the best lefty on the game.

I'd take Nando ahead of Tudor.

SPs
Tudor
Ryan
Clemens
Viola

RPs
Orosco
Berenguer
Dayley (he's solid for me, I don't understand why most people hate him)
Kerfeld

Wow, I voted for Tudor before reading any posts, mainly because I thought he deserved a vote (well, he is my #1 choice), was definitely surprised that he was leading.

Tudor fucking rocks!

Definitely Tudor for me, although Krukow is a fairly close second. Still (and maybe this is psychological as much as anything), Tudor never gives me a bad start. Never.

Quote from: fightonusc on 05/25/05, 12:56:41 PM
Definitely Tudor for me, although Krukow is a fairly close second. Still (and maybe this is psychological as much as anything), Tudor never gives me a bad start. Never.

I will give you that Tudor is solid for 3 innings.  He just tires (like Krokow) too fast.  And if I were only going to use Nolan for 3 innings, he would be much better than Tudor.
I seemed to put a little more weight on stamina when ranking the pitchers.
Whenever I play ATG, we usually play 3-4 game series, where you can only use 1 starter a game.  In this case, you want a pitcher that can be solid for 5 innings.  I just don't feel Todor can be solid for 5 innings.

I change my mind--I agree Tudor is the best.  He's just easy to forget because he's not on a "winning team."

FWIW, I don't think Tudor has a tiring problem at all.  I think he can pitch a solid 6 innings almost every time out.

John Tudor is fucking nasty.  He has just the right combo of curve and speed for my style.  I rarely give up more than a couple runs with him, if any.  We play curve style, or should I say used to play curve style, and I always seemed to milk him into the 7th or later.  Sometimes if I had a lead Id put him on probation and make it through 7 or even 8.  He is just awesome.

I'm sure I've done a write-up (probably a couple) somewhere in my dee nee career...but I'll give justification for him being the best pitcher in the game yet again:

The guy has great ball movement.  He's one of the few pitchers in the game that can pull off the double curve, where the ball is moved one way and then brought another way.  While this should be used rarely, it is sometimes an effective strategy.

Tudor's drop pitch is nasty.  He consistently puts that fucker on the plate.

As far as his fastball goes, it may not be totally overpowering, but it has just enough to be a surprise, especially when jamming a hitter.

I've never had a problem with Tudor's stamina, as he regularly takes the ball into the 7th and 8th and will even throw a complete game.

In summation, John Tudor is the fucking man.  He's my favorite pitcher, hands down, in either style of play.  Great movement, great drop pitch, just enough on the fastball and can take the ball late into the game.  Can't ask for much more.

And it helps that he's a lefty.

mike scott. . .because he cheats.

Nolan, because.

Valenzuela has a great curve ball and has always done well for me. Plus he can do anything he wants, so its obvious that my vote goes to him. =D

Quote from: fknmclane on 05/25/05, 08:20:25 PM

Tudor's drop pitch is nasty.  He consistently puts that fucker on the plate.

He has a below average sinker rating (4), so not sure how you are able to hit the plate with him consistently.  Also, his sinker is so slow (40 points slower than his normal pitch), that even I can lay off of it (and I swing at everything).

Quote from: fknmclane on 05/25/05, 08:20:25 PM
As far as his fastball goes, it may not be totally overpowering, but it has just enough to be a surprise, especially when jamming a hitter.

This is probably the thing I hate most about Tudor.  There is only a 9 point pitch speed rating b/w his fast and curve ball.  Compare this to Nolan who has a 29 point differential (and Nolans Curve pitch is only 5 points slower than Tudors fastball).

Quote from: fknmclane on 05/25/05, 08:20:25 PM

I've never had a problem with Tudor's stamina, as he regularly takes the ball into the 7th and 8th and will even throw a complete game.

Not sure how you cannot have problems w/ his stamina.  He is tied for the lowest stamina ranking among starters.  Nolan and Mike Scott have 25% more stamina, while Blyleven has 35% more stamina.  To take the ball into the 7th with Tudor, you would have to throw less than 7 pitches for the first 6 innings (assuming you never throw a fastball or sinker), just to get him to the seventh with no stamina left.

Quote from: fknmclane on 05/25/05, 08:20:25 PM
And it helps that he's a lefty.

I will give you that.  He is, indeed, a lefty.

Well, you pretty much negated everything I said, so I'll admit that I have a man crush on stupid, sexy, lefty Johnny Tudor.

Quote from: fknmclane on 05/26/05, 12:26:01 PM
Well, you pretty much negated everything I said, so I'll admit that I have a man crush on stupid, sexy, lefty Johnny Tudor.

I was hoping for a better debate  :'( . 
I am biased toward Nolan myself.  Although, I will always think he is the best, I can understand why some voted for Blyleven.

Stock, I definitely see your reasoning for taking Nolan over Tudor, but I think that's mainly based on style of play since you're a straight pitch guy.

In anything goes, Tudor absolutely rocks, it's his curve that seperates him, and you rarely need to throw slow or fast pitches in order to strike guys out, so that argument doesn't really come into play. All I know is, if I'm SL and someone else is Bo, Tudor keeps me in the game, and I've always got a 50% chance to beat Bo, because all it'll take is a run or two.

Tudor may be the best pitcher against Boston, but I don't think that makes him the best pitcher in the game,  I really believe as an ATG players that Tudor is at best the 5th best pitcher.

Quote from: Attezzobal on 05/26/05, 12:34:10 PM
Stock, I definitely see your reasoning for taking Nolan over Tudor, but I think that's mainly based on style of play since you're a straight pitch guy.

In anything goes, Tudor absolutely rocks, it's his curve that seperates him, and you rarely need to throw slow or fast pitches in order to strike guys out, so that argument doesn't really come into play. All I know is, if I'm SL and someone else is Bo, Tudor keeps me in the game, and I've always got a 50% chance to beat Bo, because all it'll take is a run or two.

I based my decision solely on ATG style play.
The way I play str8 pitch is "batting practice" style (why play str8 pitch if you are still trying to get a K?) so the pitcher does not matter at all.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/26/05, 12:41:17 PM
Tudor may be the best pitcher against Boston, but I don't think that makes him the best pitcher in the game,  I really believe as an ATG players that Tudor is at best the 5th best pitcher.

I agree.  For me Tudor is a toss up at the 5th spot with Gooden.  I give Gooden the slightes edge due to his much better sinker and 20% higher stamina ranking.  All of his pitches are faster too.

I can give you a good debate on the greatness that is John Tudor.  He does last well into the 7th very often because:

1) Like you said, there's only a 9 point difference between his fastball and his regular pitch--so effectively, his regular pitch is almost as good as his fastball--so no need to throw it.

2) He has enough movement on his pitches (both ways) that he can pick the corner of the corners as well as anybody in the game.  This greatly encourages a) pitcher's counts, and/or b) poorly hit balls.

3) Even after Tudor starts eating into his stamina rating, he still has good movement on his pitches.  I understand that he would have to average 7 pitches per inning to get into the 7th inning, but you are assuming once he "uses up" his stamina rating, he's done.  This just isn't the case.  He's still highly effective.

4) He's lefty--meaning more batters have mismatch than don't.

It should be noted that the above points are for ATG only.  I doubt Tudor is much of anything in STR8.

I can give you a good debate on the greatness that is John Tudor. He does last well into the 7th very often because:

1) Like you said, there's only a 9 point difference between his fastball and his regular pitch--so effectively, his regular pitch is almost as good as his fastball--so no need to throw it.

2) He has enough movement on his pitches (both ways) that he can pick the corner of the corners as well as anybody in the game. This greatly encourages a) pitcher's counts, and/or b) poorly hit balls.

3) Even after Tudor starts eating into his stamina rating, he still has good movement on his pitches. I understand that he would have to average 7 pitches per inning to get into the 7th inning, but you are assuming once he "uses up" his stamina rating, he's done. This just isn't the case. He's still highly effective.

4) He's lefty--meaning more batters have mismatch than don't.

It should be noted that the above points are for ATG only. I doubt Tudor is much of anything in STR8.

How you like me now, Stock?!  ;)

cheater

#1)  This doesn't mean much because his curve is still slower than some other's curve, so you never have to throw fast ball with them

#2) Other pitchers have enough movement (both ways) some even have more

#3) Also true with others that have enough movement

#4) True, he is one of the top 2 lefties, and if you are facing a RH dominated Batting order, this may be a big enough advantage.

From what I see, Tudor has above-average abilities and being left-handed is his biggest asset.  Considering the lefty-to-righty ratio, I would consider that very imporant...

Plus what mclane said..

Quote from: fknmclane on 05/26/05, 12:56:20 PM
4) He's lefty--meaning more batters have mismatch than don't.

Do you find righties to have the advantage against right-handed pitchers?  I haven't noticed this.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/26/05, 01:04:37 PM
#1) This doesn't mean much because his curve is still slower than some other's curve, so you never have to throw fast ball with them

Untrue (see below)...unless you're talking about guys with shitty curves--in which case this is a retarded argument.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/26/05, 01:04:37 PM
#2) Other pitchers have enough movement (both ways) some even have more

Again, untrue (see below).  Tudor's movement (both ways) is about as good as it gets.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/26/05, 01:04:37 PM
#3) Also true with others that have enough movement

Not a knock against Tudor in any way.  But is still a plus for Tudor in comparing all SPs without good curve ability (and remember, this puhl calls for a comparison btwn all SPs).

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/26/05, 01:04:37 PM
#4) True, he is one of the top 2 lefties, and if you are facing a RH dominated Batting order, this may be a big enough advantage.

A very misleading statement.  No SP can have the mismatch advantage for both R and L dominated line ups; since most batters in the game are R, the advantage only goes to L SPs in this one specific category.


                   curve L       curve R          curve speed
Tudor                7             11                        180
Krukow           12               7                        160
Reuschel         10               9                        165
Blyleven          10               6                        165
Scott                 7               4                        170
Alexander        11              5                        172
Fernando        12               8                        166

So statistically and in all other ways, Tudor has about as good as a curve ball as anybody.  Throw in the fact that he's lefty, and there's one huge advantage over most on the list.  Throw in the fact that his curve ball is significantly faster than everybody on the list, and you have a great pitcher in Tudor.

Quote from: Gantry on 05/26/05, 01:18:40 PM
Plus what mclane said..

Let's give credit where credit is due!  :-\

OK I'll admit, I didn't realize that Tudor's curve was that fast, and I think we've given Mcclane enough credit already, but he did make a good point.

Can someone explain why a lefty pitcher has an advantage over a righty batter?

I see "mclane's" point, but I think this is just a preference thing.  I would prefer a good curve ball pitcher to have a speed in the 165-170 range (so you get even more curve on the ball-Nando).  I also think having a good sinker is key (Tudor's sucks).  Although, I may only throw 2-4 sinkers in a game with a starter, you want them to be good enough for a 2-strike count on a good hitter.  I also think much more credit needs to be given to stamina.

In conclusion, I think everyone makes good points, and most likely different styles of pitch-play just prefer different pitchers.
It is probably safe to say that I would do better with Nolan than Tudor against any of you, where the Tudor fans would do much better with Tudor vs me than using Nolan. 

Great debate!!

QuoteCan someone explain why a lefty pitcher has an advantage over a righty batter?

JoeDirt's pitching style (which I'd guess is the predominant style used in the COTUT and similar tourneys) relies on putting nearly every pitch just off the outside corner.  With an opposite-handed pitcher, you can then sometimes curve the pitch in to clip the corner for a strike, leaving the batter basically playing a guessing game, never knowing when a pitch will be hittable or not.

Pitches off the inside corner aren't unhittable like outside ones are, and pitchers generally don't have very good reverse curve (like a screwball), so this strategy isn't as effective if the pitcher and batter use the same hand.

Good point.  That is how I always pitch with Nando.

Listen, how about decide on who is the best by how well they play, and not there god damn ratings.  Im sick of someone telling me Tudor sucks because his ratings are bad.  Blow me.  Its not about what his fastball or curve rating is.  Its about how bad you would all look against me if I were using Tudor against you.  So how about we dont put anymore rating numbers in this thread and talk about how awesome the pitchers actually pitch.  That being said.....

John Tudor is still the nastiest pitcher in the game.

Exactly, Beef.  Plus, if you miss on the outside, it's just a ball.  If you miss on the inside, it's very possible a launch.

As for Tudor's knuckle sucking, stock--it isn't much for dropping, but it acts as a great change up for Tudor.  Used in that manner, it's highly effective (thrown very sparingly, much as you do a dropping knuckle).

I reread McLane's points--he really is a genius.

Quote from: Briznock on 05/26/05, 03:00:08 PM
Listen, how about decide on who is the best by how well they play, and not there god damn ratings. Im sick of someone telling me Tudor sucks because his ratings are bad.

You didn't read my counter points, did you?  The ratings support Tudor as a top pitcher in the game.  I agree with you that the ratings aren't by any means an end-all, but they do help quanitfy talent.  However, I tend to fall in line more with your thought than those who are militant rating evaluators (aka, stock--not that there's anything wrong with that)...

Quote from: Briznock on 05/26/05, 03:00:08 PM
Blow me.

For less than a million dollars, there are several here who would apparently oblige.


Briznock--you should know that even though you didn't "come through," I still regard that page that you received to be among the best pages I've ever heard of...

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/26/05, 03:01:57 PM

As for Tudor's knuckle sucking, stock--it isn't much for dropping, but it acts as a great change up for Tudor.  Used in that manner, it's highly effective (thrown very sparingly, much as you do a dropping knuckle).

The "drop" on Tudor's knuckle is not why I think his knuckle sucks (although it IS worse than I initially thought).  The reason is that it is SO slow, that it is not even an effective changeup.  It can easily be recognized and layed off, or can easily wait back and jack it.

Quote from: Briznock on 05/26/05, 03:00:08 PM
Listen, how about decide on who is the best by how well they play, and not there god damn ratings. Im sick of someone telling me Tudor sucks because his ratings are bad. Blow me. Its not about what his fastball or curve rating is. Its about how bad you would all look against me if I were using Tudor against you. So how about we dont put anymore rating numbers in this thread and talk about how awesome the pitchers actually pitch. That being said.....

John Tudor is still the nastiest pitcher in the game.

The reason I lean more toward numbers, is because they are the one thing that is not left to opinion.  They do not lie.  A pitcher with a curve rating of 12 WILL have a better curve than a pitcher with a curve rating of 10.  A pitcher with a knuckle rating of 14 WILL drop more on the plate than a pitcher with a ranking of 2.

I think I agree with with what you are saying above (in blue), but I have already said that.
I think what you meant to say, was if you were to play 2 games against me using Tudor in one and Ryan in the other, that you would do better against me using Tudor.  That is fine, and I agree that different people's styles gravitate toward different pitcher attributes (WHICH ALL COME DOWN TO THE NUMBERS).
In contrast, I would do much better against you using Ryan rather than Tudor against you.  You have to keep things relative.  JoeD could probably kill me in ATG using Hurst.  This does not mean that Hurst is better than whatever pitcher I use.

Quote from: stockw19 on 05/26/05, 03:21:21 PMThat is fine, and I agree that different people's styles gravitate toward different pitcher attributes (WHICH ALL COME DOWN TO THE NUMBERS).

This gets a little dicey when you factor in that there are two ratings that we do not know how they affect the pitcher's ability...

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/26/05, 03:31:00 PM

Quote from: stockw19 on 05/26/05, 03:21:21 PMThat is fine, and I agree that different people's styles gravitate toward different pitcher attributes (WHICH ALL COME DOWN TO THE NUMBERS).

This gets a little dicey when you factor in that there are two ratings that we do not know how they affect the pitcher's ability...

TRUE.  Get on this shit Nightwulf!!
I think we (Nightwulf) do know for sure though that this has no impact on human players--just on computer players.

Also 'wulf--how exactly does a pitcher get worse once his stamina rating is used up? ???

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/26/05, 03:35:07 PM
Also 'wulf--how exactly does a pitcher get worse once his stamina rating is used up? ???

This is explained in a thread somewhere, he basically loses some points of curve and speed with each pitch one his stamina reaches 0.

Also I'm fairly sure that Nightwulf is fairly certain that the UNKOWNS are only used for CPU pitching

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/26/05, 03:51:57 PM

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/26/05, 03:35:07 PM
Also 'wulf--how exactly does a pitcher get worse once his stamina rating is used up? ???

This is explained in a thread somewhere...

Link?

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/26/05, 03:06:29 PM

Briznock--you should know that even though you didn't "come through," I still regard that page that you received to be among the best pages I've ever heard of...

??  What do you speak of?

Quote from: Briznock on 02/18/04, 09:44:41 PM
I received a text message from this girl tonight while at work......

this was her text word for word....

"Nintendo, your cock, my mouth, video camera, (other girls name)..... tomorrow night"

I just came.

AHHHHHH.  I remember now.  I am a little upset it didnt happen that night.  I failed you all.  I wish i would have saved the message and found a way to post if for you all.  I may give that another push this summer.  I still have a couple slutty girls that would probably do that for me.  No promises this time though.

Doc Gooden

Doc Gooden is a slutty girl? ???

News to me also

since i dont play much 2-player i havent used tudor much in the last 6 months or so, but chad seems to be a wrecking ball with that guy.  Tudor frequently goes into the 7th whenever i face him.  As far as Im concerned he's right up there with the top pitchers, and the lefty advantage is huge. 

that mofo just seems to saw the bat right off at the neck when facing righties.   :(...and those are usually my righties.

Quote from: stockw19 on 05/25/05, 11:10:08 AM
This was a toss up b/w Blylvn and Ryan.  Although, Blylvn has 4 more stamina points, I still went with Ryan.  Ryan has 19 more Curve-Speed points and the second fastest fastball on the game.  He also has the highest differential b/w fast and curve of all the starters (which can really screw up timing).

Here are my personal rankings for starters and relievers:

Rank	Starter	Reliever
1	N.Ryan	Brnger
2	Blylvn	Hrndez
3	Clemns	McDowl
4	MScott	Grelts
5	Gooden	Henke
6	Tudor	Kerfld
7	Krukow	Bedrsn
8	Vlnzla	Robnsn
9	Sbrhgn	Stanly
10	Viola	Righti
11	Witt	Orosco
12	Reushl	Worrel
13	J.Key	Corbet
14	Sutclf	DSmith
15	Morris	Franco
16	Hurst	Reardn
17	Sutton	Schrld
18	Alxndr	King
19	Ojeda	Dayley
20	Cox	Moore

stock can you post your Arcade rankings?

I don't have them.  I could put probably put some together, but after this weekend.
The only problem, is I would have to base this solely on the numbers, as I have not played nearly enough RBI-Arcade to know the players.

I thought you based the NES soley on the numbers and had some system that you simply plugged in the numbers, I didn't want you to spend time on it.

Quote from: ultimate7 on 05/27/05, 04:01:15 PM
I thought you based the NES soley on the numbers and had some system that you simply plugged in the numbers, I didn't want you to spend time on it.

For batters, yes.  For pitchers, I have tried countless different formulas, but none result in a list that makes sense.  I think it is because there is no good starting point for pitchers.  For batters, if you start out with power rating, you get a good base to start from.
So, my pitcher rankings are purely based on my opinion of how good I play with them and me just looking at the numbers to break ties.

OK, nevermind then

Nolan's crazy... plus he had a little talent.. plus he was at one point a spokesman for viagra... i dont know what im gettin at here.. im done ;)

Nolan Ryan(The Ryan Express)
Roger"The Rocket" Clemens
Bert"Be Home"Blyleven
Dwight"Doc" Gooden

in that order...hands down Ryan is the most dominant pitcher in the history of RBI...followed closely by the Rocket. another that didn't make the list would be Danny Cox for STL

Quote from: northstarbob on 08/16/05, 06:25:09 PM
Nolan Ryan(The Ryan Express)
Roger"The Rocket" Clemens
Bert"Be Home"Blyleven
Dwight"Doc" Gooden

in that order...hands down Ryan is the most dominant pitcher in the history of RBI...followed closely by the Rocket. another that didn't make the list would be John Tudor for STL

Not much love for Mike Scott's wiggle pitch. It's devastating, especially if you've been drinking. Tudor is pretty nasty though in curve because his hook keeps going late into the game.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 05/25/05, 08:24:33 AM
I vote Clemens as best SP.

WTF?!  Tudor is the best.  I am a dope.

I gotta say, hands down, the best and most reliable pitcher has to be Rick Reuschel on the Giants. Talk about a guy with major stamina. This guy can curve it, throw some decent heat and go CG without any major problems. Krukow is so hit-and-miss, but Big Daddy Reuschel is the fucking man.

you're just wrong.

Quote from: bigbrothermuscle on 01/28/10, 12:43:53 PM
I gotta say, hands down, the best and most reliable pitcher has to be Rick Reuschel on the Giants. Talk about a guy with major stamina. This guy can curve it, throw some decent heat and go CG without any major problems. Krukow is so hit-and-miss, but Big Daddy Reuschel is the fucking man.

You also think Wilfong is a better hitter than Jonesy.

QuoteYou also think Wilfong is a better hitter than Jonesy.

I can't take Jonesy's side too much as I don't use him that much. I just know Wilfong is brilliant.

Reuschel has always been consistent with me. Ryan and Clemens have the blistering speed hands down, but Big Daddy can throw some serious junk and has a decent fastball.

Tudor.