Anyone see Ellis Burks last night?

[OzzieLongBall]

Yes we can all agree poolstroke's typing is terrible, but i for one am not here to criticize those who can and cannot type... i never preview my posts, and worry little about grammar and spelling... having said that, poolstroke was right in assessing FightOn's analysis (which I enjoyed reading, btw).. those just weren't the mathups... no matter.. on to my defense of everyone hating the yankees... this honestly is like the chicken or the egg argument... when will either side ever truly cave??  but there is my point that i think many people are reluctant, or maybe just not interested in admitting... George Steinbrenner has built an empire... maybe an "evil" empire in some of your minds, but none the less an empire... sports is big business nowadays, no two ways about that... as much as i'd love to live in ignorance and pretend that it's all love of the game, i gotta be realistic... and Steinbrenner is running his "business" the best he can, how the hell can you blame him for that... he is making xxxx amount of dollars from his xxxx number of subscribers to the YES network, a network devoted ENTIRELY to the Yankees... i mean seriously, they are doing David Cone bio's at 3 AM, it never stops... so he takes all this money, and puts it back into his product, the New York Yankees... i understand how this may upset some of you, but as a Yankee fan I enjoy seeing Steinbrenner do whatever it takes to win, and YOU WOULD TOO if you were a Yankee fan... this is much better for baseball and its fans than some of these cheap-sh1t organizations who put nothing back into their club, and never try to really improve/take a shot at winning (by signing a free agent, etc)... hate the yankees all you want, i don't blame you... but make sure you're reasons are grounded, and have some shred of respect for what Steinbrenner does, even if you must admit it through gritted teeth.. and why dynasties are good for sports is a whole different post which I'm more than willing to write, but its 3 am and im drunk and not in the mood... but they are, trust me... thatll do for now...

sorry for rambling so long, i think just going to college in Boston and being a Yankee fan, I end up with some pent-up emotions, and maybe the dee-nee forums arent the right place to let loose... but it was what was in front of me at the time..

[fknmclane]

Great point.  The Yankees have a product that a lot of people want and they extract all the profits possible.  George is King Capitalist.

[dvldog]

Ellis Burks "played" his last game at Fenway today.  That's shit they didn't let him pinch hit.  Maybe he's too old, and this season is just a chance for him to make a few bucks.

Another RBIer fades into oblivion.

[fknmclane]

Ellis Burks "played" his last game at Fenway today.  That's shit they didn't let him pinch hit.  Maybe he's too old, and this season is just a chance for him to make a few bucks.

Another RBIer fades into oblivion.

I think you mean Bolivia.

[fightonusc]

Fucking hell, like I watch Yankees or Red Sox games on a consistant basis

All I know is that if you claim that the Yankees line-up is just absolutely without comparison to the Red Sox, (as foolstroke72 essentially did), you're higher than Macaulay Culkin.

[Mike D.]

I was at the game yesterday, everyone was chanting for Ellis.  Reason # 2975 that I hate Terry Francona.

[TβG]

  tell me anothe rteam that can state that fact,four great players on there team that came from their farm system

Angels:

Pitchers:  Washburn, Lackey, Percival, K-Rod

Hitters: Molina Bros., Erstad, Glaus, Anderson, Salmon


and by the way, i'm not a Sox fan either, but i do appreciate when a club mixes the will to win with a decent payroll and kicks that yankees a$$, as the 2002 champs did.

[malnuboy]

I was at the game yesterday, everyone was chanting for Ellis.  Reason # 2975 that I hate Terry Francona.

I read in the papers that Ellis had just had his knee drained and was not available to play.

[Mike D.]

I still hate Terry Francona.  He's a pile of dog shit.

[fightonusc]

OK, so I'll admit that, what with all of the races that matter happening in So Cal, I haven't been following the pointless battle between the Red Sox and the Yankees over who is going to get the AL East title and who is going to get the Wild Card. But, to go back and use the rosters and positions from this week's games...

LF: Obviously, Manny over Matsui
CF: I'll take Damon over either over-the-hill Kenny Lofton or over-the-hill Benrie Williams
RF: Clearly, Sheffield over Nixon
DH: Last time I checked, Olerud was still getting the majority of starts at 1B, and Giambi was either playing DH or PH. And Williams was DHing when he wasn't playing OF. No matter, because Ortiz is better than any of these options.

Even reconfiguring for the correct line-ups (argh, what a mistake...), it only makes it (by my count) 4-3 in favor of the Yankees. If you think that Posada and Varitek aren't about equal as hitters, or that Cairo and Bellhorn, although doing different things, aren't about at the same level as hitters, you obviously don't know anything about baseball.

Yes, I made an admittedly large mistake, but even with the big error, it was still ten times better than your "analysis" of the two team's rosters. Mine are based on stats and research, while yours seem to be based on pure myopia (I'm not even a Red Sox fan). As proved by your "Name another team with four star players who came up through their system" comment. To add to the Cubs and Angels teams brought up, let me also mention:

Atlanta Braves:

Hitters: Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Marcus Giles, Rafael Furcal
Pitchers: John Smoltz (traded as a minor-leaguer to the Braves as part of the Doyle Alexander deal)

Chicago White Sox:

Hitters: Carlos Lee, Frank Thomas, Magglio Ordonez
Pitchers: Mark Buehrle

Florida Marlins:

Hitters: Miguel Cabrera, Luis Castillo, Alex Gonzalez
Pitchers: Josh Beckett, Dontrelle Willis

Houston Astros:

Hitters: Craig Biggio, Jeff Bagwell (traded to Houston as a prospect in Larry Anderson deal), Lance Berkman, Morgan Ensberg
Pitchers: Wade Miller, Roy Oswalt

Los Angeles Dodgers:

Hitters: Alex Cora, Cesar Izturis, Adrian Beltre
Pitchers: Eric Gagne

Minnesota Twins:

Hitters: Torii Hunter, Jacque Jones, Corey Koskie, Justin Morneau (plus others)
Pitchers: Brad Radke, Johan Santana, Joe Mays

Oakland A's:

Hitters: Eric Byrnes, Eric Chavez
Pitchers: Mark Mulder, Rich Harden, Tim Hudson, Barry Zito

Texas Rangers:

Hitters: Hank Blalock, Michael Young (traded as prospect to Rangers for Estaban Loiza), Mark Teizeria, Kevin Mench
Pitchers: Kenny Rogers

Toronto Blue Jays:

Hitters: Carlos Delgado, Vernon Wells, Eric Hinske (traded as a prospect as part of deal that sent Billy Koch to the A's)
Pitchers: Roy Halladay

Because, you know, no other team has four really good players on their rosters that came through their farm system...

(P.S. Shouldn't this also get moved to the Anything Goes forum at this point, since it really has nothing to do with RBI Baseball at this point?)

[BeefMaster]

As an addendum to that - in the Twins' starting lineup, if you count the currently-injured Joe Mauer, 8 of the 9 players came from the Twins minor-league system (all except Stewart, who was acquired in a trade last year; Guzman came from the Yanks as a prospect in the Knoblauch deal, and I think Lew Ford, who I'm including in this as the DH, was originally drafted by Cleveland).

[BeeJay]

Poolstroke was such a nice, humble guy.  It's too bad he doesn't post anymore.

[ultimate7]

I can't wait to see all the Yankee fans crying when they go up 3-0 in the ALCS only to lose 4 straight to the RedSox

Hell of a prediction

[Nacho]

I can't wait to see all the Yankee fans crying when they go up 3-0 in the ALCS only to lose 4 straight to the RedSox

Hell of a prediction

What took you so long to acknowledge your own foresight?

[ultimate7]

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[Mike D.]

 Well fightonusc you have the wrong match ups for someone who thinks he knows baseball.Sheffield is right field and manny is left field.Matsuai is left field and damon is center.Bernie is center and nixon is right so you messed up the whole outfield but your human.You forgot Giambi against  any of your first baseman,not olerud,where you been all year you forgot about Giambi.A-rod better than mueller,Jeter better than any shortstop and Cairo is as good as your second baseman and Posada is better than Varitek.So that is 5-0 around the Infield and I'll give you 2-1 in the outfield.So that is 6-2 Yankees,like I said not even close,end of story.Get your facts straight if your going to go head to head on a battle about baseball,as I can see you don't know a dam thing.Oh by the way like I said earlier ,Pedro cant beat the Yankees,once again he choked.

Well, at least he called this series.  Oh wait, nevermind.  I hated that dogfaced pile of ass-puke.

[BDawk]

What was his point? The Yankees were better than the Sox last year? Or will Mike Vike be a top 5 fantasy QB in 2003?

[fknmclane]

I like not using spaces after my sentences.It's really cool.At least poolstroker didn't use all caps like usual.I haven't played RBI in forever.Well, maybe a couple of drunken times with MikeD and fighton but nothing serious.Too much booze.It's really hard not to hit the space bar after a period.