reshuffling line-ups to make Hou/STL more competative.

[Gantry]

Great thread TBT!  My ass needs to stay up with the RBI Board more often.  Not keeping a guy purposely in for the PH bonus, here is my Houston analysis:

Hou starting line-up.
Lopes
Cruz
Garner
Davis
Reynolds
Bass
Puhl/Thon
Hatcher

This needs to be said, because the guy doesn't get enough shit - Jose Cruz sucks.  If you have a chance to do any order, no way he is batting #2.  I'm with mclane in thinking that your best guy goes third, and unfortunately for the Astros that is Geena.  If you do that, however, you lack a legit cleanup batter but since Houston only has one guy with 805 or better power, one has to make sacrifices.  Here's my take

1 - Lopes
2 - Reynolds
3 - Geena
4 - Bass
5 - Garner

Feel free to swap Bass and Garner, Phil has a bit more power but I like to alternate the lefty-righty situation early on.  After these five all the rest of the guys suck and are interchangable.  I don't care what anyone says Thon/Puhl/Ashby/Walling/Cruz/Doran are all the same mediocre player with slightly different names and running speeds.   I would probably throw Thon Stuff in there at #6, leave Walling and Hatcher on the bench, after that it's your call...

Comments?   

[TbT]

true dat, i didnt really analyze cruz's abilities as well as the others on the team...and hes not as fast as i thought(138).  he is a turd. 

id stil be tempted to bat gdavis 4th, but maybe samiched between reynolds and garner.  anyways you slice it, it'll be tough to make em much better.

[nomaaa]

boston:

1.burks
2.boggs
3.armas
4.rbi
5.baylor
6.henderson
7.evans
8.owen

and that's what dreams are made of.

[JoeDirt]

boston:

1.burks
2.boggs
3.armas
4.rbi
5.baylor
6.henderson
7.evans
8.owen

and that's what dreams are made of.

What the hell is this? Why would anybody pick Spike Owen over Gedman?  Unless you're saying you'd automatically PH with Gedman in the 8 spot--to give him the PH pop in his 1st ab?  I hope?

[nomaaa]

my thoughts exactly. because with only three extra pitchers... you really only need three pinch hitters.

[TbT]

..and could we get Strawberry batting 4th already.  im telling you guys NY would definately be a top 10 team in RBI if he batted 4th.   

[TbT]

Wouldn't it make sense to start Sullivan and Barrett, and then ph them in their fist ab with guys like Baylor/Rice/Evans?  That way you get some ph bonus for the big hitters.  It's not like you ever want Marty and Stinky batting anyway.

this is my thread and i get to decide how the line-ups are made...so there.....

using your own emoticons is still better than the crapy ones we have here.

[Darky]

Hou:

Hatchr/Lopes
J Cruz
Wallng
GDavis
K Bass
Doran
Lopes/Reynolds
Garner

STL

Colman
OSmith
T Herr
JClark
McGee
Pndltn
Lndman
T Pena

Frisco...and be sure to wear flowers in your hair when you use my team.
Aldrte usually gets the start, but if he gets cold then Speir gets the start. Especially against teams who have a lefty starting the game. Aldrte is not too great against lefties. Thompson is shit. He never sniffs the field. Youngblood rarely gets a start. He only does when Aldrte or Speir need a day off.
Oh...this lineup has produced 7 RBI South San Jose Tourney Titles for me. My only losses in  tourney play were against NA.

Aldrte/Speir
Mitchl
Leonrd
Mldndo
WClark
Brenly
CDavis
Spilmn

[broiler]

1. uribe
2. uribe
3. uribe
4. uribe
5. uribe
6. uribe
7. uribe
8. uribe
9. uribe

[Darky]

1. uribe
2. uribe
3. uribe
4. uribe
5. uribe
6. uribe
7. uribe
8. uribe
9. uribe

That was not even remotely funny wise guy.

[TbT]

If only Strawberry batted earlier, i think they would be much more dangerous.

Dykstra
Hojo
Carter
Strawberry(possibly flip flop with carter)
Hernandez
Knight
Heep
Mookie

alternate version
Dykstra
Mookie
HoJo
Strawberry
Carter
Hernandez
Knight
Heep

[JoeDirt]

Remember though, if you insert HoJo/Heep/Tuefel types, then they are just normal hitters.  They are better in the actual game because they always get the PH bonus their first AB. 

[BeefMaster]

I always assumed that for the purpose of a thread like this, you would eliminate the PH bonus.  Otherwise, the optimal lineup would have your two or three worst players actually included in the starting lineup for the purpose of immediately replacing them.

Does RBI 3 have the PH bonus?  I never noticed pinch hitters being as dominant in that version as they were in the original, but if it is there, it would change my strategy quite a bit - I always try to make the best possible starting lineup, and the PH bonus would make stacking the bench more appealing.  I remember someone mentioning a glitch that can be used to give players extra power (it involved starting to make a substitution but exiting before it was finished, I think), which makes me think that the PH bonus does exist.

[TbT]

I always assumed that for the purpose of a thread like this, you would eliminate the PH bonus.  Otherwise, the optimal lineup would have your two or three worst players actually included in the starting lineup for the purpose of immediately replacing them.

thats what i had in mind originally to try and help HOU/STL to be more competative for a best starting 8(right out the gate/no PH bonus in mind).  id still like to someday make this into a cart if i ever figure out a definitive line-up for each team.  Dirt once suggested taking the bottom 4 or so (hou/stl/min/ny) and putting thier best players on the bench so those weaker hitting team at least get some added pop for a couple at bats early...but not with any other teams. 

If i did this with all teams then it would sort of defeat the purpose of trying to make things more even.  and even or more competative is what i had in mind with this thread.

another things id love to do is set up a fantasy draft here for the 10 ball clubs(with ATG play in mind), and once its done make that rom into a cart.  it would almost give you a whole new angle on playing some RBI.  perhaps repalce the all star teams with the names of some other teams that were strong back in 86/87 but missed the playoffs.

[BeefMaster]

This raises another strategic question - if you could put whatever players you wanted on the bench to get the PH bonus, would you do that with the best players, to get really great power, or mediocre players, to make them semi-great for that at-bat?  I'd think putting in a great hitter would be practically begging for an intentional walk, although I suppose those hitters get pitched around quite a bit anyway, so that would just make them more dangerous for that first at-bat.

[Gantry]

I can't say it enough - no way Jose Cruz bats second on Houston if you get to shuffle the lineup.  No way...