Challenging Gantry's philosophy

[fightonusc]

Even with the bonus, Gwynn is still Punch & Judy.

Not to hijack the thread, but what do you mean by Punch & Judy?  The Wikipedia Entry taught me something new, but I can't fit the context...

Basically, it just means a slap hitter with little power.

This site gives some context.

[JoeDirt]

I think the best point I can make in regard to not saving great bats for a possible one PH is that RBI curve is totally a pitching man's game.  I think it's a grave mistake to remove pitchers at times when they are at bat--more importantly, I think it's prudent to remove pitchers when they are done pitching, as a rule.  The pitching takes priority over the batting opportunity.

I know people are going to say that if pitching is so important, then it's equally important to derail the pitching of the opponent--with a stud PH in an opportune time...but, I think that's backward logic.

[fknmclane]

Sandberg and Benito never, never, never see an at-bat for me.  They have zero power. They suck.  That's pretty much about it.

I'll leave the Big Cat in if he's facing a leftie.  Otherwise, fucking gone.

Here's the thing about saving pinch hitters...if you're the National League, you shouldn't be playing past the fifth or sixth inning.  You won't have a need for a pinch hitter because you should be running your opponent out of the park.

Besides, Kruk, Gwynn and Guerrero are all far better than Sandberg, Santiago and the Big Cat.

[capt_taco]

Basically, this comes down to who does you more good, Kruk or Gwynn. They're about equally useful, for different reasons. Guerrero and Murphy absolutely MUST get in for the whole game, and Pedrique's such a bitch that he HAS to be pinch-hit for, and Big Cat is so slow that it's the same.

One or both of Sandberg or Benito should come out. Usually, it's Sandberg for me. I either end up with:

Raines
Murphy
Sntago
Dawson
EDavis
Schmdt
Guerro
Kruk

or

Raines
Gwynn
Sntago
Dawson
EDavis
Schmdt
Murphy
Guerro

Just depends where you want your power... 1-2-3-4-5-6, or 4-5-6-7-8. Always good to have a big bopper up just before the pitcher anyway...

[Blyleven_No-No]

That is so stupid.  Leave Guerrero's bat out of the line up and get him MAYBE one at bat per game?  I respect the opinions of others, but that just makes no sense, man!  

Joe Dirt, you are disrespecting the logic of the worng RBI player, I come correct with the sticks in my hands.  Perhaps you have never played a tight game where it comes down to pinch hit scenarios, perhaps you just play the computer, I don't know.

I do know that I would crush you in RBI.

[ultimate7]

I'm willing to bet that Joe Dirt is willing to put money on himself, maybe as much as $1000.  

Blyleven - do you play 1 starter or 2 starters?

[fightonusc]

You're willing to bet on the whether or not someone is willing to bet on themselves? Dude, that's a serious gambling problem...

[ultimate7]

It's sure money, you want some action?

[Blyleven_No-No]

ultimate, I did win the most recent New York tournament, and you're gonna say that it's sure money???

You gotta be kidding me.  

We play a best 2 out of 3 series, like the real game dictates.  You use one starter in each game.

[BeefMaster]

Always good to have a big bopper up just before the pitcher anyway...

Except that your opponent would walk him to get to the pitcher, so he'd never get an AB.

I think Guerrero and Murphy should play the whole game, but I also refuse to remove Sandberg from the game.  Santiago is PH-ed for, and I may give Gallaraga an AB, depending on how lucky I feel.  I'd probably be more likely to put Guerrero in for Gallaraga, put Gwynn in for Pedrique, and save Kruk for a rainy day.

[ultimate7]

ultimate, I did win the most recent New York tournament, and you're gonna say that it's sure money???

You gotta be kidding me.  

First of all, I said it is sure money that JoeD would bet on himself.  But yes I do think JoeD can beat you  though I wouldn't necessarily put money on it, I would like to play you sometime.

[JoeDirt]

Joe Dirt, you are disrespecting the logic of the worng RBI player, I come correct with the sticks in my hands.  Perhaps you have never played a tight game where it comes down to pinch hit scenarios, perhaps you just play the computer, I don't know.

I do know that I would crush you in RBI.

Okay, last things first.

You KNOW you'd crush me in RBI?  That's interesting.  I've invited you to our OH anything goes tourney, yet you haven't bothered to respond.  If you're good enough to CRUSH me, then you can easily--EASILY--go home with a minimum of $600 in your pocket.  Seems like you should be all over that one.

Next, I'm not disrespecting anybody.  Let's not get all up-in-arms over RBI theory.  These kind of talks are great and represent all that is good in the RBI forums.

I am certain that I do not need to explain my RBI resume to anybody, but since you sort of asked: I've been playing RBI competitively for 15 years.  I never play the computer.  By "never," I mean "NEVER."  I have always felt that playing the computer sets bad habits for when playing another competitive human.

I truly invite and welcome you to our tournament.  Be skepital if you must, but do yourself a favor and sign up for it.  I did the very thing for the COTUT (a large tourney in Chicago) and had an absolute blast.

You can say that you "come correct with the stick in (your) hands," but that really doesn't mean a hell of a lot.

What I'm saying is that, in my opinion, it is very foolish to leave a mighty hitter like Guerrero on the bench for him to get at most, one AB.  With NL, you are likely to have him come up in a bases full situation in the 2 or 3 spot anyway.

Now what the fuck, are you going to back up your statement that you would crush me in RBI (by joining our tourney)--or are you just making idle statements that you have no intention of making good?

If you're going to sing it, bring it!

[GDavis]

Joe Dirt, you are disrespecting the logic of the worng RBI player, I come correct with the sticks in my hands.  Perhaps you have never played a tight game where it comes down to pinch hit scenarios, perhaps you just play the computer, I don't know.

I do know that I would crush you in RBI.

Okay, last things first.

You KNOW you'd crush me in RBI?  That's interesting.  I've invited you to our OH anything goes tourney, yet you haven't bothered to respond.  If you're good enough to CRUSH me, then you can easily--EASILY--go home with a minimum of $600 in your pocket.  Seems like you should be all over that one.

Next, I'm not disrespecting anybody.  Let's not get all up-in-arms over RBI theory.  These kind of talks are great and represent all that is good in the RBI forums.

I am certain that I do not need to explain my RBI resume to anybody, but since you sort of asked: I've been playing RBI competitively for 15 years.  I never play the computer.  By "never," I mean "NEVER."  I have always felt that playing the computer sets bad habits for when playing another competitive human.

I truly invite and welcome you to our tournament.  Be skepital if you must, but do yourself a favor and sign up for it.  I did the very thing for the COTUT (a large tourney in Chicago) and had an absolute blast.

You can say that you "come correct with the stick in (your) hands," but that really doesn't mean a hell of a lot.

What I'm saying is that, in my opinion, it is very foolish to leave a mighty hitter like Guerrero on the bench for him to get at most, one AB.  With NL, you are likely to have him come up in a bases full situation in the 2 or 3 spot anyway.

Now what the fuck, are you going to back up your statement that you would crush me in RBI (by joining our tourney)--or are you just making idle statements that you have no intention of making good?

If you're going to sing it, bring it!

If you really wanted people to show up for your tournament you wouldn't have it in Ohio.

[JoeDirt]

What, the midwest is too centalized of a location in the nation?

Typical NYer response....just for that, you're getting the face I KNOW YOU HATE:  

[Blyleven_No-No]

LOL!!!

JoeD, I appreciate that you have the same passion for RBI as I do, Ohio is a little tough for a destination for me to get to but I will not use that as an excuse.

Haven't we all been playing competitively for 15 years though??

GDavis, when are we getting toogether for some RBI???  My NES is working great thanks to Gantry's rubbing alcohol tip on the cartridge.

Joe, I don't think anything will be settled to sit down for a tourney.

[JoeDirt]

This is an outrage.  Get your fucking NY crew together and come out for the tourney.  It's only a 7 hour drive...and if you can't miss work to drive to/from here, then you obvioiusly make money and can sack up and buy a plane ticket.  You dicks!  

[Blyleven_No-No]

Joe, those of us in NYC don't own cars, we don't use them

[JoeDirt]

Do you guys use airplanes?

[Blyleven_No-No]

maybe you should visit the Big Apple, seems like you could use a little exposure to the nightlife of the big city

[JoeDirt]

I've been there many a time...

If you guys ever have a tourney like what we're having here, I'm all over coming out.

We're having a 16 man, $100 entry fee tourney.  As long as OH is an obsticle for you to attend, I can't/won't believe you're as serious/good of an RBI player as a lot of people on this board...(fightonusc is coming out from CA, for crying out loud).