Help Jim Rice get in the Hall of Fame

[japetus462]

Gary Carter---out
Jim Rice---In

[dvldog]

Rice actually beat Carter in voting one year.

[japetus462]

Jim Rice was just as good, in his prime..as Griffey was in his. If Rice doesn't make it into the Hall, and Griffey's career is truly over...then I think everyone has to question griffey ever going in.

[sucka free]

griffey gets in as a first ballot....trust me, he'll end with 500hrs, 10 gold gloves, played in the modern era at age 19, dominated the american league.......he's is leagues abouve jim rice

[dvldog]

Jim Rice was just as good, in his prime..as Griffey was in his.

Player of the 90s though - His dominance is unquestionable there.  This is an example of stats vs. a player's perception.

As far as WHEN Griffey will make the Hall.... I'm torn.

I'd say second or third year - I'd snub him for the first year.


I think his problems started when he broke a thumb/finger making that awesome catch against the wall - I think most people remember that.

He kinda turned into a pussy after that - maybe a few years later, he had one or two good seasons with Cincy.  He's no A-Rod though.

[sucka free]

a-rod is no bonds

[doveRBI]

Gantry can you lock and delete this thread so I can stop hearing about that Rice fuck?

[MarquisEXB]

Gary Carter---out
Jim Rice---In

Gary Carter is among the top 10 catchers of all time. Jim Rice isn't among the top 25 LF of all time.

'Nuff said.

Mike

[dvldog]

PLUS, Gary Carter is without a doubt the BEST catcher of his era.

The same is not true for Rice.

[doveRBI]

You all are obviously overlooking Carter's huge "perm-advantage."  That curly, greasy mullet is his ticket to HOF glory.

[japetus462]

PLUS, Gary Carter is without a doubt the BEST catcher of his era.

The same is not true for Rice.

I will make my last comment on this thread. There are many logistics to which people can detract, or add to for Jim Rice's eligibilty to the HoF.

I personally feel as though, he contributed enough to Major League Baseball to have earned that spot. I hope the majority can be convinced to see otherwised.

[doveRBI]

The problem with the HOF is that it is too inclusive.  Who freaking cares if 10 guys get in every year.  I think it aught to be limited to like 10 guys per decade.  That would make it special.

[dvldog]

PLUS, Gary Carter is without a doubt the BEST catcher of his era.

The same is not true for Rice.

I will make my last comment on this thread. There are many logistics to which people can detract, or add to for Jim Rice's eligibilty to the HoF.

I personally feel as though, he contributed enough to Major League Baseball to have earned that spot. I hope the majority can be convinced to see otherwised.

I think he should be in the Hall, but it's... let's say "incorrect" to only accept points that support your own argument.

Are you saying that Rice was the best outfielder of his era?  Carter was, but Rice was a better hitter.  Don't abandon common sense.

[dvldog]

Let's put everyone in, and have elections to remove people... First ballot for removal could be Mark Lemke, Eddie Gaedel, Bobby Jones, and Mookie Wilson.

If you make a Major League roster, you get a plaque.

[vgp100]

I just think a certain quality of player deserves the hall. I never thought of Carter as a star. Rice was at least more of a star in my opinion.
I thought that Murphy was a star as well.
It's just my perception of these guys--even guys with good numbers don't seem hall-worthy to me.

[dvldog]

Do you think that has to do with the 80s perception of the catcher... It wasn't really a "star" position.  

Is that because they really were all that good, or was it a misconception?

[vgp100]

That's possible. The only stud catcher from the 80's that I can think of is Lance Parish

[dvldog]

Something nobody has mentioned is that Rice hit into an enormous number of double plays in his career, and hat few sacrifice hits.  He struck out a lot and didn't walk a whole lot to make up for it.  

He IS the only Red Sox player to collect 400 total bases in a season - probably due to the change from 154 to 162.

Is the Hall looking at that stuff?

[Mets_bs]

I think it's because most people look at catcher as defensive position, any offensive production you get out of your catcher is extra. Guys like Mike Piazza, Pudge, Javy Lopez, etc have changed that. Of course there have been guys like Roy Campenella, Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk, and Gary Carter; but they came along once in a very long while. Gary Carter was the best at what he did; he was an offensive force, he was a great defensive catcher, and he was a tremendous leader.

[MarquisEXB]

That's possible. The only stud catcher from the 80's that I can think of is Lance Parish

A-hem! Carlton Fisk.

And that's the point. Catchers are primarily a defensive position, because of the unique set of skills required by it. They generally go downhill quicker than any other position, because of all the strain it takes. So a catcher like Fisk or Carter adds more value to a team than a good hitting LF, because you can easily find a LF that hits pretty well, than a catcher that hits & fields his position.

Mike