Yanks Tribute League

[Shooty]

Mantle was a fast fucker when he was healthy...which wasn't often.

[Attezz]

Attezz will probably disagree, but I don't like that Mantle has a higher power rating than Maris.

You doubt my love for Maris?

I guessed that your opinions of Mantle and Maris may have been shaped by your father, who you mentioned before was a huge Mantle fan and used to deface Maris' baseball cards.

That's true.

But having spent many formative years in Fargo, with plenty of Maris memorabilia around, my love for Maris became greater than Mantle (even my father learned to like Maris).

I also love Rick Helling.

[TβG]

i think everyone will agree with my vote for... 85 bears.

[fightonusc]

This is not the greatest Yankees League in the world. This is a Tribute!

[ultimate7]

Mantle was a fast fucker when he was healthy...which wasn't often.

Yeah so 138 is right, could even be low, but 122 shouldn't be the 2nd fastest guy on the team

[SilverBlue]

1.  Mantle actually still holds the home to first time record.  Mantle's around the bases times were as fast as Maury Wills.  By 61 his speed had deterioated quite a bit, but he still managed to steal 12 bases at a time where base stealing wasn't en vogue.  Maris was not nearly as fast.

2.  Mantle had a greater AB/HR ratio than Maris in 61, a much higher SLG% and also holds the record for the longest HR in history at 620 ft.

[Attezz]

1.  Mantle actually still holds the home to first time record.  Mantle's around the bases times were as fast as Maury Wills.  By 61 his speed had deterioated quite a bit, but he still managed to steal 12 bases at a time where base stealing wasn't en vogue.  Maris was not nearly as fast.

I don't believe that for a second

2.  Mantle had a greater AB/HR ratio than Maris in 61, a much higher SLG% and also holds the record for the longest HR in history at 620 ft.

I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell you for 100 bucks.

[Attezz]

That home to first thing still makes me chuckle

And I think even the most adamant of fans admit that Mantle never hit on 620 (the claim was it happened in old Griffith Park, right? Or was it Tiger Stadium? Either way, it never happened).

[SilverBlue]

3.  By 1955 Robinson was 36 years old and only stole 12 bases, a speed rating of 140 seems generous under the circumstances.

4.  Newcombe hit .359 with 7 HRs in 1955 in 111 ABS.  Extrapolated over a season this equates to about 35HRs, he even stole a base.  I think his ratings are a legit tribute to the greatest hitting performance by a pitcher since Babe Ruth.

5.  Is there a good reason to continue to compile pitcher statistics in the DH era where a pitcher might get 20 ABs per season.  

6.  I do agree that hitting stats should be compiled for the 27 Yanks and the 30 Athletics for consistency.

7.  Should Hendersons speed be higher than Morgan?  HHmmm, maybe.  Morgan stole 60 bases and got caught 9 times in 76.  Henderson stole 53 bases and got caught 8 times in 93.  I guess it depends on perspective.  Obviously Henderson is the all time most prolific base stealer barr none, but if that year was used for comparison, Morgan was superior.

8.  The power ratings and speed ratings are too low for the weaker hitters and too high for the "top shelf" hitters.  A log model instead of a linear model should be used to calculate the power and speed numbers.  This would even out game play.

[SilverBlue]

Mantle was also the only player to ever come close to hiting the ball out of Yankee Stadium with a shot that hit off of the right field facade that would have travelled an est. 565 feet.  You can dispute the 3.1 second home to first time and whether the shot at Griffith stadium actually travelled 643 feet, but anyway it is well documented that Mantle was fast and powerful. 

[TβG]

it is well documented that Mantle was fast and powerful. 

by many women who attest to mantle's post-game exploits

[Attezz]

but anyway it is well documented that Mantle was fast and powerful. 

Do you have any idea the list of players that it's been documented were fast and powerful?

And someone has to put in this thread (since everyone knows it) that Henderson admits he was never even the fastest on his team blah blah blah.

[TempoGL]

60 stolen bases in 69 attempts = 86.9% success rate
53 stolen bases in 61 attempts = 86.8% sucess rate

wow, what an edge morgan has on henderson

[SilverBlue]

Yes, Morgan has the same SB success rate as Henderson, but 7 more SBs. 

[fightonusc]

Mickey Mantle was so fast that he could turn off his bedroom light switch and be passed out unconscious on the floor with a bottle of whiskey in his hand before it got dark.

[BeeJay]

Mickey Mantle was so fast that he could turn off his bedroom light switch and be passed out unconscious on the floor with a bottle of whiskey in his hand before it got dark.

[redfanrod]

3.  By 1955 Robinson was 36 years old and only stole 12 bases, a speed rating of 140 seems generous under the circumstances.

4.  Newcombe hit .359 with 7 HRs in 1955 in 111 ABS.  Extrapolated over a season this equates to about 35HRs, he even stole a base.  I think his ratings are a legit tribute to the greatest hitting performance by a pitcher since Babe Ruth.

5.  Is there a good reason to continue to compile pitcher statistics in the DH era where a pitcher might get 20 ABs per season. 

6.  I do agree that hitting stats should be compiled for the 27 Yanks and the 30 Athletics for consistency.

7.  Should Hendersons speed be higher than Morgan?  HHmmm, maybe.  Morgan stole 60 bases and got caught 9 times in 76.  Henderson stole 53 bases and got caught 8 times in 93.  I guess it depends on perspective.  Obviously Henderson is the all time most prolific base stealer barr none, but if that year was used for comparison, Morgan was superior.

8.  The power ratings and speed ratings are too low for the weaker hitters and too high for the "top shelf" hitters.  A log model instead of a linear model should be used to calculate the power and speed numbers.  This would even out game play.

Splendid job on the Yankee Tribute League. I appreciate that you put in pitchers stats for most of the teams (I modified a couple of the older teams to have those stats).

(Note: Yankee Tribute is mis-spelled on the opening screen -- one "e" in Yankee)

My only critique is the line-up orders for some of the teams:

Pete Rose always led off for the Reds! Rose, Griffey, Morgan, Foster, Bench, Perez, Concepcion, Geronimo. (That's my favorite team.)
Ruth batted 3rd, Gehrig 4th on the 27 Yanks...
Maris batted 3rd, Mantle 4th on the 61 Yanks...
Gilliam led off in the WS for the 55 Dodgers, while Jackie batted 7th (he's old)...
Philly of 1930: Bishop, Dykes, Cochrane, Simmons, Foxx, Miller, Haas, Boley...

I looked most of this stuff in Baseball Alamanac. Mostly World Series line-ups...

Thanks to R.B.I. Editor these are easy fixes...

Thank you, again, for all of your hard work on the Yankee Tribute ROM. I'm not even a Yank fan but I love that set!

[SilverBlue]

Thanks,

Some simulations were run, best of seven series.

The matchups were:

27 Yanks vs. 30 Athlet  4-0 27 Yanks
39 Yanks vs. 93 Blue Jays 4-1 39 Yanks
61 Yanks vs. 55 Dodger 4-1 61 Yanks
77 Yanks vs. 76 Reds 4-0 77 Yanks
00 Yanks vs. 04 Red Sox 4-3 00 Yanks

The Yanks won every single series!
All of the non-Yankee teams are eliminated from competition.
Now the remaining Yanks teams will play a round robin tourney.

[SilverBlue]

In round robin play between the remaining 5 Yankees teams here are the standings;

00 Yanks 4-0
61 Yanks 3-2
39 Yanks 2-3
77 Yanks 1-3
27 Yanks 1-3

The top two teams, the 00 Yanks and the 61 Yanks played a 7 game series to determine who was the best team.

00 Yanks 4, 61 Yanks 3

[redfanrod]

DiMaggio's hit streak was reached in 1941 -- the same year "Teddy Ballgame" Williams was the last major leaguer to hit .400 (.406)...

Once again, great set of teams in the Yanks Tribute League...

Revision of analysis:

39 Yankees
Hofers:  Dimaggio, Dickey
Strengths:
Dimaggio 56 game hitting streak in 39 is one of the most amazing feats in baseball history.
Every player in the starting lineup of the team has at least 10 HRs
Weaknesses:
Pitching
Lots of warning track power