RBI'ers who shouldn't have been, RBI'ers who should have

[OctoFranco]

This is a subject that has interested me for a while, and I think it would be interesting to formally collect the information for an eventual DB page.  The topic is which players in RBI do not belong there (i.e. weren't on their respective team's roster in the year that team is supposed to represent), and also which players were on the actual team during it's RBI year, but were not represented in the game (this part is more controversial, however, since there is a fixed number of players on each team of the Tengen league, namely 12 position players and 4 pitchers, so there are automatically a lot of exclusions).  For clarity the rosters should be based as follows:

1986 Rosters      1987 Rosters
Ca                 Dt
Bo                 Mn
NY                 SL
Ho                 SF
                   Am
                   Na


I'll try to get this going, feel free to add any other players and their details, and also make corrections.  I'll try to keep this post updated with any new entries.

IN RBI BUT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN

Bo: Tim (Ellis) Burks -- The RBI BoSox are supposed to represent the 1986 squad, however Burks did not make his debut until '87.

Am: Jose Canseco (was on the '86 and '88 all star squads, but not in '87, team=Athletics, position=LF/DH)
Am: George Brett (was on every AL all star team between 1976 and 1988 except one season: 1987, team=Royals, position=3B)
Am: Bill Schroeder (never made an all star team in his career, team=Brewers, position=C)
Am: Paul Molitor (made it in '88, but not '87, team=Brewers, position=DH/3B)
Am: Julio Franco (didn't make first all star game until 1989, team=Indians, position=SS)

Na: Benito Santiago (didn't make first all star game until 1989, team=Padres, position=C)
Na: Andres Galarraga (didn't make first all star game until 1988, team=Expos, postion=1B)
Na: Al Pedrique (never made an all star team in his career, team=Pirates, position=SS)
Na: John Kruk (didn't make first all star game until 1991, team=Padres, position=1B/LF)


PLAYERS WHO SHOULD (or could) HAVE BEEN IN RBI BUT WERE NOT INCLUDED

Mike Greenwell -- Was regular outfielder for '86 Red Sox.  Ellis Burks mysteriously appears in his place.
Hubie Brooks -- Was '87 NL all stars back-up short stop.  Al Pedrique perplexingly appears in his place.
Herold Reynolds -- Represented the Mariners in the '87 all star game along with pitcher Mark Langston, however neither player is in RBI.  This makes the Mariners one of two teams with no RBI representation.
Larry Parrish -- Was the lone representative of the Rangers in '87, but does not appear on the RBI team.  This makes the Rangers the other team with no RBI representation.
Dave Winfield -- I have always been heartbroken that Harold effing Baines was included as an AL outfielder instead of one of my all time favorites Winfield.  My only rationale for this is that Winfield would have made for too many Yankees on the RBI Am squad...


BONUS SECTION: RBI'ERS WHO COULD HAVE BEEN ON MULTIPLE TEAMS (exluding all stars)

Rob Wilfong -- Appears in RBI for the Angels ('86 roster), but also played (2 games) for the '87 Giants
Doug DeCinces -- Appears in RBI for the Angels ('86 roster), but also played (4 games) with Cards at the end of the '87 season after beginning season with Angels
Dave Henderson -- Appears in RBI for the Red Sox ('86 roster), but also finished '87 season with Giants after beginning season with Boston
Don Baylor -- Appears in RBI for the Red Sox ('86 roster), but finished '87 season with Twins after beginning season with Boston
Kevin Mitchell -- Appears in RBI for the Giants ('87 roster), but also played for '86 Mets

[ultimate7]

Schroeder was a catcher

[OctoFranco]

I'm talking baseball, not the bedroom.

I got my shitty all star 8-hole hitters mixed up, you can understand my mistake...  Fixed, thanks for the correction.

[Shooty]

For the All Stars, it looks like they tired to include 1 player from each team, with no more than 3 players from one team.  

With 12 NL teams is was much easier and is probably the reason why Pedriq is on the team over Hubie Brooks.

In the AL, 12 of the 14 teams were represented (no Texas and Seattle)...which probably explains the appearance of Schroeder but makes Sietzer a bit of a mystery as Saberhagen already represented KC.  Winfield was probably left off because Righetti, Mattingly and Randolph were on the team (although not sure why Randolph got the nod over Winfield).

I would have really liked to see Fisk on the AL team somehow.

 

[TβG]

shouldn't harold reynolds have been on the al allstar roster in place of randolph?  he was with seattle and played second base, i believe.  i have to do more research to see who should have been there for texas.

[Shooty]

shouldn't harold reynolds have been on the al allstar roster in place of randolph?  he was with seattle and played second base, i believe.  i have to do more research to see who should have been there for texas.

Agreed...here's an older thread discussing alot of the same stuff:

http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=2789.0

[OctoFranco]

Was just looking at Kruk's career stats for reasons I cannot recall, and that all-american athlete was not an NL all star in '87.  I guess having just one fat fuck from the Padres on the Na bench was simply not enough for the programmers.

Any theories as to why Kruk was included?

[OctoFranco]

Well fuck.

After being curious and checking the rest of the all stars, I come up with these surprising findings:

Jose Canseco, George Brett, Paul Molitor, and Benito Santiago were also not all stars in 1987.  I am stunned.  I noticed a number of these players did, however, make the '88 all star team...  Does anyone know exactly what day in 1988 RBI was released?  It is possible that the programmers were using both all star years to make their decisions.  RBI is a neverending enigma.

[Stock]

I have not done a lot of research on this, but don't think the intent of the all-star teams were to get an acurate line-up.
Didn't they just try to make an all-star team consisting of players not represented by the other 8 teams?

[JoeDirt]

Shouldn't you be asking us to name 'staches insted of this pointless drivel you've bothered us with?