New Tecmo ROM I'm working on...suggestions needed

[Darky]

I'm working on a new ROM that I'm building myself and I think it will be the best ROM on the market from a historical perspective and it will be fair. The other two ROMs I have been using were a little top heavy as far as the top teams vs the other teams.

New teams:

07 Patriots
06 Colts
92 Cowboys (they were the best Cowboys team ever)
08 Cardinals
83 Raiders
94 49ers
04 Panthers


I'm up in the air about these teams...thoughts/suggestions:

96 Packers or 66/67 Packers?
80 Eagles or the 05 Eagles or the 60 Eagles?
74 or 75 or 78 or 79 or 05 or 08 Steelers?
57 Lions or the 91 Lions?
64 Browns or the 54 Browns?
07 Giants or the 90 Giants?
99 Rams or 01 Rams?
97 or 98 Broncos?


Suggestions and thoughts are welcome...

[Darky]

Oh yeah, Beef---which Vikings team do you want to see? I'm thinking the 98 Vikings or one of the teams from the 70's. Thoughts?

[BeefMaster]

'98 Broncos over '97; can't believe that's up for discussion (the '98 team went 14-2 and was a Super Bowl favorite all year, while the '97 team was a Wild Card that got hot in the playoffs).  I also am surprised you'd consider one of this decade's Steelers teams over one of the 70s teams (and that you'd consider '79, who barely beat the Rams in the Super Bowl).

'90 Giants over '07 Giants.

Man, the Lions historically suck.

I guess some of this depends on whether you're going for teams that would be fun to use vs. teams that are perceived as the greatest ever - if the former, I can see an argument for the '05 Eagles over the championship team of '60 (running QB = fun), and MAYBE for the '96 Packers over the '66 team (although I don't know about that).

I could see going with either of the Greatest Show on Turf teams - the '01 team may have actually been better, but the '99 team is perceived as historically greater because they won the Super Bowl.

'98 was the best Vikings team ever, and with that offense, they'd easily be the most fun to use in Tecmo.

Are you doing one from every franchise?

[Darky]

Thanks for the input Beef.

Yeah, the 98 Broncos it will be. They were defending champions and got off to a 13-0 start before the Giants shocked them. That team was really good and breezed through the playoffs.

I just wanted to see how the responses went (not expecting that many) with some teams I threw out there. After further review, I think I go with the 78 Steelers (14-2) since they beat a mighty talented Cowboy team and were the first to 3 SB's during the alleged golden age of football in the 70's. Plus they had a better passing attack that year and their defense was still dominant (only 12.2 ppg)---though nothing like 74 or 75...or even 76. Put a gun to my head, and I'd say that was the most complete team of that dynasty.

98 Vikings will be in. They were awesome. Still pissed about the SB that never was---Vikings-Broncos.

90 Giants may get the nod since they stopped a 3-peat by the Niners, slowed down the explosive Bills, and had Belichick and Parcells on the same coaching staff---plus LT has to be in it. But the 07 Giants defensive line was one of the best I've seen in my lifetime. They single handedly carried the Giants during their playoff run it seemed. From a historical perspective, the 07 Giants would get the nod, but then again---the 90 Giants do have Belichick's defensive gameplan in the HOF. I think the 90 Giants will get the nod---they were good, great.

Yeah, I'm doing a team for every franchise. Trying to balance greatness, fun, and history together. I can also change the simulation of how the offense plays---like run or pass heavy.

What about the Niners? Do you think the 94 team is a good call over the 89 team?

And I really want to use the 84 Dolphins and have Marino in the game, but that defense was not great at all...plus I can rationalize not having the 72 Dolphins in there. Oh well.

I think I'll go with a Bobby Layne led Lions team from the 50's, but I'm also on the cusp of putting that 91 Lions team on there with Barry Sanders.

[Big Hath]

Darky, how many teams will be in this?  What ROM editor are you using?

[Darky]

Darky, how many teams will be in this?  What ROM editor are you using?

32 teams. I'm using the ROM editor Tecmo Turd gave me.

Also, any suggestions on which Houston team to use? It'll be definitely the Oilers when Moon was running the run n shoot. Can't decide on which year though...

And which Jacksonville team? Hmmm...

[ultimate7]

91 Lions
80 Eagles

[BeefMaster]

I remember the '89 Niners as more dominant than the '94 team, but I don't know that they were actually better, plus the '90 team from the original Tecmo Super Bowl was basically the same team, too, so the '94 team would be new and different.

It would be cool to go with the old-school Lions, but it'd be hard to come up with ratings for those old teams, and Barry Sanders is awesome, so that complicates things.  Again, the '91 Lions would be similar to the '90 team in TSB, so the novelty is certainly on the side of the '54 team.

Instead of one of those Oilers teams, you may want to consider the '99 Titans that almost won the Super Bowl.  You could probably go with the '99 Jags, since their only three losses were to the Titans.

Were the '86 Giants good enough to merit consideration over the '90 or '07 teams?  I wasn't yet watching football then.

Others...

'69 Chiefs
'68 Jets
'85 Bears
'82 Redskins
'90 Bills
'02 Buccaneers
'03 Panthers
'08 or '09 Texans (yuck)
'00 Ravens
'81 Bengals
'80 Chargers
'09 Saints?  Too soon?

[Big Hath]

Darky, how many teams will be in this?  What ROM editor are you using?

32 teams. I'm using the ROM editor Tecmo Turd gave me.

Also, any suggestions on which Houston team to use? It'll be definitely the Oilers when Moon was running the run n shoot. Can't decide on which year though...

And which Jacksonville team? Hmmm...

did he post that editor here?


use the 1999 Jags - top 10 offense, fun to use Brunell as a running QB, decent backs with Stewart and Taylor, explosive WR's in Smith and McCardell.  Plus the defense led the league in points against.  14-2 record and made it to the AFC champ game.

[Darky]

Instead of one of those Oilers teams, you may want to consider the '99 Titans that almost won the Super Bowl.  You could probably go with the '99 Jags, since their only three losses were to the Titans.

Were the '86 Giants good enough to merit consideration over the '90 or '07 teams?  I wasn't yet watching football then.

Others...

'69 Chiefs
'68 Jets
'85 Bears
'82 Redskins
'90 Bills
'02 Buccaneers
'03 Panthers
'08 or '09 Texans (yuck)
'00 Ravens
'81 Bengals
'80 Chargers
'09 Saints?  Too soon?

I'm liking the 09 Saints.

The 99 Tennessee Titans will be in...and the Houston Oilers---but not the Texans.

The 81 Chargers will be in...not the 80.

The 90 Giants were much better than the 86 Giants.

Basically all those teams you mentioned will be in---the no brainers. Though I am leaning towards the 88 Bengals....Ickey shuffle!

One of the 50's Lions team will be in. They played played great defense and ran the ball real well...and Layne was a prolific passer of that decade. I just need to research that a bit more and see how good I should make them.

did he post that editor here?

use the 1999 Jags - top 10 offense, fun to use Brunell as a running QB, decent backs with Stewart and Taylor, explosive WR's in Smith and McCardell.  Plus the defense led the league in points against.  14-2 record and made it to the AFC champ game.

Yes. And yes on the 99 Jags. They were a really good team who only lost to one team that year lol...three times! But they had the look...

[Darky]

91 Lions
80 Eagles

80 Eagles sounds good. Let me check with our resident Eagle expert...what say you BDawk?

[edfan]

Harold Carmichael says yes

[Darky]

Okay, it's done...80 Eagles it is...gotta have Jaws and Carmichael together...and Vermeil having ulcers on the sidelines...

[BeefMaster]

The 99 Tennessee Titans will be in...and the Houston Oilers---but not the Texans.

Technically, the Titans and Oilers are the same franchise, but it's your ROM, and I can understanding not wanting to have a shitty Texans team on it.

[Darky]

Yes, I know that Beef. Just like how the Ravens are technically the Browns...

But the Texans will not be in this ROM...not even the Dallas Texans lol...

[Big Hath]

Yes, I know that Beef. Just like how the Ravens are technically the Browns...

actually this isn't right.  Yes, the Browns became the Ravens but not in the same way the Oilers became the Titans.  The Ravens essentially became an expansion team while the Browns' history stayed in Cleveland.  But I'm sure you know all that.

[Darky]

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actually this isn't right.  Yes, the Browns became the Ravens but not in the same way the Oilers became the Titans.  The Ravens essentially became an expansion team while the Browns' history stayed in Cleveland.  But I'm sure you know all that.

Either way, they both changed team names. Art Modell was forced to by a judge. I didn't imply the process of the organizations changing team names was parallel. Though it was the Browns who was the actual expansion team if we shall get technical...but yes, the rights of the Browns stayed in Cleveland. And Tennessee was not going to have a team named the Oilers for obvious reasons...

[BeefMaster]

The Titans were still called the Oilers their first year in Nashville.

[Darky]

Oh yeah...my bad.

Ah man, this ROM constructing is giving me fits. I need to email this Tecmo Turd. I need some help with some things.

[BeefMaster]

I gotta say, making a Tecmo Super Bowl ROM is something that would require a serious amount of time put into it.  RBI has 160 players; a 32-team TSB ROM would have 960 (30 players per team - 22 starters, 1 K, 1 P, 1 backup QB, 5 backup RB/WR/TE).