CPU Substitution Criteria - FAQ Item

[ultimate7]

I think I did this before but let me try again since search didn't help, this is from memory so any errors people find I'll update the first post:

1)  Once the SP1 has pitched 4 full innings, if he comes to the plate with his team trailing, tied or ahead by 3 or less runs, he will be subbed out for a PH.

1a) SP1 will come out of any game once he has pitched 4+ innings if his team is leading by 4 runs or less or is tied or trailing.

2)  Once the SP2 has completed the 7th inning pitching, if he comes to the plate with his team trailing, tied or ahead by 3 or less runs, he will be subbed out for a PH.

2a) SP2 will come out of any game once he has finished pitching his half of the 7th inning if his team is leading by 4 runs or less or is tied or trailing

3)  Once the RP1 has completed the 8th inning pitching, if he comes to the plate with his team trailing, tied or ahead by 3 or less runs, he will be subbed out for a PH.

3a) RP1 will come out of any game once he has finished pitching his half of the 8th inning if his team is leading by 4 runs or less or is tied or trailing

4) In the 8th inning or later if either the 8 or 9 spot in the order come up with the batting team tied, trailing, or ahead by 3 runs or less, the position will be subbed.


Note:  Substitution will not occur if no PHers remain on the bench.

Note: CPU problems can occur if the opponent makes a pitching change when the batter is supposed to be subbed and vice versa, and will sometimes fail to make the above substitution in those instances.  I believe the Road team (player 1) will make sub first and only one sub will be made per batter.

[ultimate7]

Any comments or corrections?

[TβG]

you say "pitched completed" a couple times.  i know what you mean, but grammatically, it doesn't make sense.

so looking at this from a fantasy/watchgame perspective, you really hope that if your pitcher is doing well, you need to maintain a 5+run lead.

[ultimate7]

thanks TBG, bad copy/paste edit there, I'll fix

[Attezz]

Have you ever seen SP2 take out his starter after giving up a single to the first batter of the 8th inning?

[ultimate7]

Note: CPU problems can occur if the opponent makes a pitching change when the batter is supposed to be subbed and vice versa, and will sometimes fail to make the above substitution in those instances.  I believe the Road team (player 1) will make sub first and only one sub will be made per batter.

I modified the first post to reflect this.  I originally only had the batter not being subbed, but it could happen either way.  If the road team starts the top of the 8th with thier 8 hitter, they will PH, then will PH for 9 (both assuming close game criteria is met), then after that the home team will be able to replace the pitcher.  So yes I've seen RP1 actually pitch 1-2/3 innings because of this.

[BeefMaster]

Have you ever seen SP2 take out his starter after giving up a single to the first batter of the 8th inning?

That doesn't seem possible if ultimate's rules are accurate, unless baserunners are counted in the "close game" criteria.

[Attezz]

Have you ever seen SP2 take out his starter after giving up a single to the first batter of the 8th inning?

That doesn't seem possible if ultimate's rules are accurate, unless baserunners are counted in the "close game" criteria.

That's what I thought too, it just doesn't make sense.

I rewatched the watch game where it happened and I was a bit off, SP2's team was down by 2 pitching in the top of the 8th, he recorded the first out, then was immediately subbed for (I think before facing either the 7 or 8 hitter), it just didn't make any sense whatsoever and I've never seen it before.

[Darky]

Have you ever seen SP2 take out his starter after giving up a single to the first batter of the 8th inning?

That doesn't seem possible if ultimate's rules are accurate, unless baserunners are counted in the "close game" criteria.

I've seen it in a couple games in our league. I also have seen the same happen in the 9th inning---when the RP#1 starts the inning (close game), gives up a hit or even gives up an out, and he's relieved. I forget which games it happened in, but I'll take a look at the stats for the #2 SP's that went +3.0 innings.

I think it may have to do with who is coming up in the batting order as well.

[ultimate7]

Did anyone read my post?  Was the batter subbed in this scenario?  If so that was the reason.

[Attezz]

Did anyone read my post? 

Clearly I hadn't

But, yeah, it makes sense now.

[BeefMaster]

Did anyone read my post?  Was the batter subbed in this scenario?  If so that was the reason.

I did think of this, but Attezz claimed in one of his posts that the next batter was 6th or 7th in the order, which ruled out a pinch hitter.

[ultimate7]

I happened to have the NES on a watch game about a week ago.  After the 1st game I had them start the 2nd game, each team had used both starters in the first game so it was an all reliever game.

In this situation, the CPU apparently will leave RP1 in the game for the 1st 8 innings since only RP2 remains.  Seeing this the pitcher sub logic is obviously based on pitchers remaining as opposed to pitchers used.