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Started by Stock, 05/19/05, 08:38:40 AM

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Stock

#20
Who is better gibson or murphy, and why?  (base this on numbers alone, and don't take the 64 pt power boost into consideration).

name - power - contact - speed
Gibson- 894 - 20 - 138
Murphy - 909 - 17 - 132

or CDavis and Schmidt?

CDavis - 873 - 24 - 136
Schmidt - 891 - 20 - 124 
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ultimate7

#21
Murphy/Davis

Actually Murphy and Gibson are really a toss up
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TβG

gibson, better speed and he's a lefty, seems to get more doubles or triples with his fleetness of foot.

schmidt, he will hit bombs, better contact rating = more chances at a better hit.  

i'm assuming ATG and that you are batting them in the order they appear on NES.  if you're doing a fantasy thing then i might take chili over schmidt because i can bat him 2nd in the order.  schmidt sticks at 5.
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Stock

Quote from: Teddyballgame on 05/19/05, 12:11:27 PM
gibson, better speed and he's a lefty, seems to get more doubles or triples with his fleetness of foot.

schmidt, he will hit bombs, better contact rating = more chances at a better hit.  

i'm assuming ATG and that you are batting them in the order they appear on NES.  if you're doing a fantasy thing then i might take chili over schmidt because i can bat him 2nd in the order.  schmidt sticks at 5.

Right, I am looking solely at the numbers (so fantasy style).
Anyway, you bring up another good point of how lefties are better.  With a runner on 1st base, it is much easier to move him to 3rd base with a lefty hit as opposed to a righty hit.  And if fast enough, a lefty has better ability for triples.  This is all assuming that most people try to pull the ball when batting.
Quote from: Gantry on 07/27/12, 12:39:03 PM
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Stock

OK, here are my new rankings.
If you don't agree with them (this is taylored a little more toward straight pitch, but not totally), I made the file interactive so you can play with the weightings of certain attributes (ie contact, speed, lefty/righty).

Here are the directions, if you wish to tinker.

1.  Start on the "Rank" tab.
2.  In cells R12-14, rank how much you would like each attribute weighted (see the scale at the top of the sheet).
3.  Click on the "Paste" button.
4.  Click on the "Sort" button.
Quote from: Gantry on 07/27/12, 12:39:03 PM
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OctoFranco

I would just like to point out that lefties and righties do not, in fact, start running from the same point after putting the ball in play.  Try opening the rom and hitting the screenshot button the instant you make contact and you'll see that the right handed batter starts running from the middle of home plate, while the left handed batter starts running from the front of the batter's box.

Also, I don't believed anyone's mentioned that it's easier to get a pettis with the lefty, since he hits the ball softer and slower to the shortstop, thus giving him more time to leg it out (not to mention having less of a distance to run to first, as stated above).

JoeDirt

Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 05/22/05, 05:57:20 AM
Also, I don't believed anyone's mentioned that it's easier to get a pettis with the lefty, since he hits the ball softer and slower to the shortstop, thus giving him more time to leg it out (not to mention having less of a distance to run to first, as stated above).

Does anybody even attempt this with a rightie?
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Stock

Here are the rankings for the Arcade version.
If anyone has a homemade roster/stats on a rom, I would be happy to dump them into this file as well.
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Stock

Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 05/22/05, 05:57:20 AM
I would just like to point out that lefties and righties do not, in fact, start running from the same point after putting the ball in play.  Try opening the rom and hitting the screenshot button the instant you make contact and you'll see that the right handed batter starts running from the middle of home plate, while the left handed batter starts running from the front of the batter's box.

Also, I don't believed anyone's mentioned that it's easier to get a pettis with the lefty, since he hits the ball softer and slower to the shortstop, thus giving him more time to leg it out (not to mention having less of a distance to run to first, as stated above).

Breaking news.  All other stats being equal, LEFTIES ARE BETTER! 
After reading Octo'Franco's post I decided to perform a test.  I never had any luck trying to take a picture of a screen right after the batter made contact, so I did this instead.
I made a custom rom.  For Ca, I made every batter a righty, and gave them speed of 100.  For Bo, I made every batter a lefty, and gave them speed of 100.
I went 20 ABs for each team, and started a stop watch from the second the ping of the bat was heard, to the second the runner reached first base.
The righties averaged 4.965 seconds to first base.  The lefties averaged 4.694 seconds to first base.  Clearly, the lefties start closer to first base.  In my sample case, this is 5.5% faster.  It should be noted however, that this % gets smaller as the runners get faster, since this is a constant distance subtracted from the Lefties time affecting his time to first base.  In either case, you can say that lefties get about an extra 1-2 step jump to first.

Other mumbo jumbo:
Righties:
N = 20
Avg=4.965
Med=4.96
Max=5.09
Min=4.89
S= 0.054

Lefties:
N = 20
Avg=4.694
Med=4.69
Max=4.78
Min=4.59
S=0.055
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ultimate7

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Gantry

Interesting....  I take it once the runner gets to first, all bets are off? 

Nice work stock, database and FAQ worthy! 


Stock

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Quote from: Gantry on 05/26/05, 11:30:18 PM
Interesting....  I take it once the runner gets to first, all bets are off? 

Nice work stock, database and FAQ worthy! 



I would assume so.  I did not take any times going from 1st to 2nd.
In case anyone is wondering why I used speed of 100, I wanted to make sure the speed was slow enough so you could see the large difference in times.  My reaction time is not perfect when starting/stopping the stop watch.  If I would have picked someone too fast, chances are, many of my times would have overlapped.
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TβG

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Attezz

Based on Stock's test of lefties/righties speed to first base.

One question: Being that every hitter had a speed of 100, why were there variations on the amount of time that it took to get to first?

EDIT: I'm an idiot, human error I assume. Anyway to do this test with FCE Ultra and computer stuff that I don't understand?

Stock

Yep,
Just human error.  That is why I did a sample of 20 times for each handed batter.
If you notice though, the max time out of my 20 lefty's, was lower than the min time of the righties.

This was not very scientific, but still proved the point.  I also used a very slow running speed (100) to minimize the variation of the errors.
Quote from: Gantry on 07/27/12, 12:39:03 PM
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