RBI Phaser Music

[PHole717]

Knoppix and I beleive Manrake have Lilo as the default.

[nightwulf]

The only problem with running linux is that Lilo boot screen is a piece of fucking shit that deletes your master boot record. Sure, I could have two hard drives, both primary and only hook up one at a time, but that would be a pain in the ass. Don't insult my computer knowledge.

Also, Wine sucks balls. It can't run anything for shit. If I were to use Linux, I would NOT use Wine

LILO != Linux. I've used LILO often and had no problem (as have thousands of other people ...), I've used boot disks, simply booted from a linux partition, any number of ways to boot. At the moment I'm booting to a shell and using loadlin to start linux when necessary. Problems with the boot loader are not problems with the operating system. And LILO is quite easy to use correctly, try reading the documentation ...

Wine is great if you know how to use it. I've run everything from small programs to emulators (fceud ran great) to EverQuest. Unfortunately it's quite worthless if you're unable to understand how to use it properly. Wine is an amusing way to play with Windows viruses; there was an article on /. about that a couple months ago.

How does it make me an idiot? I bet there are viruses on most everyones computers here. It happends to the best of us, and mistakes happen.

And since when did I make the note of them being the same? I was stating that fact that I do those things. The common person can't tell a hard drive from a cows asshole. And whens the last time you checked out a virus to see why they do what they do?

Also, its not my fault that windows is more GUI than Linux. Talk to Gates on that one.

Actually, viruses have always intrigued me. I wrote a lengthy report on their history in high school (and recycled much of that information for a speech and report in college), and trying to learn how the Internet Worm of the late 80's worked is what originally got me interested in POSIX-based operating systems. If you're unable to "experiment" without clobbering your own system, common sense would tell you that maybe it's not something you should be trying to do.

What does the GUI have to do with it? Linux has just as much of a GUI as Windows if you want it to, and provides many more options in window managers and desktop environments. I'm spending more time in Windows these days than linux, and I still use a command prompt just as much ...

Unfortunately, these days you can barely get to the sidewalk of an online community without tripping over the bodies of half a dozen script kiddies passed out on Mountain Dew and their own egos. Dee-Nee is not such a place. Please keep your l33t attitude away.

Nightwulf

[Gantry]

. I wrote a lengthy report on their history in high school (and recycled much of that information for a speech and report in college), and trying to learn how the Internet Worm of the late 80's worked is what originally got me interested in POSIX-based operating systems

Cool stuff, finished reading a book about it recently - Cyberpunk.  The books is divided into three sections - one on Kevin Mittnick, one on the Kaos Computer Club in Germany and one on Robert Morris and the Internet worm.  Very good read, the chapter with rtm was pretty interesting.  Seems like an intersting guy that got a little over his head and accidentially started something a little too big...

Did you actually play with the version of BSD Unix circa 1988 to study it?  IIRC, he used flaws in sendmail and finger to infect the other machines.  I think he also discovered a flaw in ftpd but it was patched shortly before released the worm...

Really cool book, I don't mind sending you my copy if interesting.  But then again you aren't much of a print reader...

[nightwulf]

Oh, I have a few books around ... mainly O'Reilly books on various operating systems and languages, and I do have a copy of The First Quarter lying around, which is a fantastic read.

Yeah, there were three attacks in that worm ... fingerd, sendmail, and I wanna say the third was just trying passwords from a list, but it's been a while. The fingerd was by far the most successful attack with something like a 78% success rate. Classic example of buffer overflows. I never actually played with a machine that'd be susceptible to the worm, but it's all ancient history now anyway,

Nightwulf

[Gantry]

Still pretty sad that, although there is progress, that buffer overflows are still around today.  I think the fingerd source was less than 100 lines too.  rtm has scoured pretty much all the code for BSD unix back then, which is impossible nowadays.  But the flaws are still the same...

Never heard of The First Quarter, but I have The Ultimate History of Video Games, also by Stephen L. Kent.  Tremendous fucking book, and the first place I read that documented RBI's release date.  I read all 600+ pages in under a wekk, it was that good.  We should do a swap... 

Kent also does some work on a G4 show called Icons.  Not sure if you get g4, but it's pretty much the only good show left of the carcass of TechTV.  Little 30-minute shows on the history of something, Kent sometimes does commentary.  Just saw the history of the Apple II today with lots of Woz interviews.  Last week I saw the history of the Intellivision and Zelda, good stuff.  Some of the eps don't interest me (they are on a star war gaming & lucasarts kick right now) but all in all a good watch...

[PHole717]

The only problem with running linux is that Lilo boot screen is a piece of fucking shit that deletes your master boot record. Sure, I could have two hard drives, both primary and only hook up one at a time, but that would be a pain in the ass. Don't insult my computer knowledge.

Also, Wine sucks balls. It can't run anything for shit. If I were to use Linux, I would NOT use Wine

LILO != Linux. I've used LILO often and had no problem (as have thousands of other people ...), I've used boot disks, simply booted from a linux partition, any number of ways to boot. At the moment I'm booting to a shell and using loadlin to start linux when necessary. Problems with the boot loader are not problems with the operating system. And LILO is quite easy to use correctly, try reading the documentation ...

Wine is great if you know how to use it. I've run everything from small programs to emulators (fceud ran great) to EverQuest. Unfortunately it's quite worthless if you're unable to understand how to use it properly. Wine is an amusing way to play with Windows viruses; there was an article on /. about that a couple months ago.

How does it make me an idiot? I bet there are viruses on most everyones computers here. It happends to the best of us, and mistakes happen.

And since when did I make the note of them being the same? I was stating that fact that I do those things. The common person can't tell a hard drive from a cows asshole. And whens the last time you checked out a virus to see why they do what they do?

Also, its not my fault that windows is more GUI than Linux. Talk to Gates on that one.

Actually, viruses have always intrigued me. I wrote a lengthy report on their history in high school (and recycled much of that information for a speech and report in college), and trying to learn how the Internet Worm of the late 80's worked is what originally got me interested in POSIX-based operating systems. If you're unable to "experiment" without clobbering your own system, common sense would tell you that maybe it's not something you should be trying to do.

What does the GUI have to do with it? Linux has just as much of a GUI as Windows if you want it to, and provides many more options in window managers and desktop environments. I'm spending more time in Windows these days than linux, and I still use a command prompt just as much ...

Unfortunately, these days you can barely get to the sidewalk of an online community without tripping over the bodies of half a dozen script kiddies passed out on Mountain Dew and their own egos. Dee-Nee is not such a place. Please keep your l33t attitude away.

Nightwulf

Yeah, but LILO Overwrites your windows mbr if you have a dual boot. Without Windows XP Recovery consol, you can just say hello to Mr. Reformat if you want to remove LILO.

And there you go with an assumption. When did I ever mention I used scripts of any kind? Yes, you know more about computers than me. Big fucking deal! And I beleive if I had a big ego I would have never admitted to having a virus infected on my hard drive.

[nightwulf]

Yeah, but LILO Overwrites your windows mbr if you have a dual boot. Without Windows XP Recovery consol, you can just say hello to Mr. Reformat if you want to remove LILO.

And there you go with an assumption. When did I ever mention I used scripts of any kind? Yes, you know more about computers than me. Big fucking deal! And I beleive if I had a big ego I would have never admitted to having a virus infected on my hard drive.

Any bootloader will overwrite the MBR of your primary hard drive. All you need is a recovery (insert favorite media here) to get you to a command prompt. fdisk /mbr for the win.

Note: If you use WinZip and Not WinRar, you shouldn't be allowed to use a computer. Please uninstall windows now. I made it .zip so nubs like you can read it =D

The above is a good example of "script kiddie" attitude. If you're unfamiliar with the term, I'm sure you can find a definition online.

Nightwulf

[Dryden]

I gotta go with Night on this, but also - damn, people.  Stop urinating all over the room, marking off your territory.  If you want to use RAR (which WinRAR is just a shell for, anyway) so be it.  Yes, Rar is a superior archive format to zip.  That's lovely.  But this is the dumbest discussion since edfan and I went on for 20 pages about evolution and creation.

PHole, you're in over your head.  Let it go, dude.

[PHole717]

Yeah, but LILO Overwrites your windows mbr if you have a dual boot. Without Windows XP Recovery consol, you can just say hello to Mr. Reformat if you want to remove LILO.

And there you go with an assumption. When did I ever mention I used scripts of any kind? Yes, you know more about computers than me. Big fucking deal! And I beleive if I had a big ego I would have never admitted to having a virus infected on my hard drive.

Any bootloader will overwrite the MBR of your primary hard drive. All you need is a recovery (insert favorite media here) to get you to a command prompt. fdisk /mbr for the win.

Note: If you use WinZip and Not WinRar, you shouldn't be allowed to use a computer. Please uninstall windows now. I made it .zip so nubs like you can read it =D

The above is a good example of "script kiddie" attitude. If you're unfamiliar with the term, I'm sure you can find a definition online.

Nightwulf

We will take windows 98 for example. You can't get to a DOS prompt if there is no mbr. You can use a floppy A drive to do so, but back in 98 the 98 fdisk wasn't availibe online, just as the xp fdisk isn't availible online for download.

I know what it means, and have you heard of a JOKE? I was kidding around, so I can't understand why you have to jump all over me because of it.

[nightwulf]

But this is the dumbest discussion since edfan and I went on for 20 pages about evolution and creation.

I agree, though I did find that discussion very interesting.

We will take windows 98 for example. You can't get to a DOS prompt if there is no mbr. You can use a floppy A drive to do so, but back in 98 the 98 fdisk wasn't availibe online, just as the xp fdisk isn't availible online for download.

I know what it means, and have you heard of a JOKE? I was kidding around, so I can't understand why you have to jump all over me because of it.

Well sure, if the MBR is clobbered there's not a lot you can do unless you planned ahead. Always have a recovery plan if you're tinkering with your hard drive. Failing that, you can find boot disks for just about any operating system online (including utilities such as fdisk), though obviously you're much better off having your own. Win98 (or any other version) really doesn't apply, since if the BIOS finds no usable MBR on your primary hard drive you won't be going far ...

I "jump all over [you] because of it" because I have to deal with and listen to stupid script kiddie attitude in just about every facet of my online life. I've not yet had to deal with it here, and I don't intend to continue. I'm fairly certain this is the first time we've seen dee-nee members referred to as "nubs like you," or had people criticized because of their choice of decompression software.

Nightwulf

[BeefMaster]

Back in the days of DOS, I used to use ARJ... that doesn't make me a bad person, does it?

[Gantry]

Back in the days of DOS, I used to use ARJ... that doesn't make me a bad person, does it?

No way, ARJ had plenty of love on the old BBS systems.  Downloading pirated games at 14.4 was the shiznit and you needed a little more oomph than what pkzip could offer...

Since most people still following this thread have a technical background, burn at least two copies of the Ultimate Boot CD.  VERY handy boot CD with memory testers, hard drive testers, hardware detection, disk erasing utilities, fdisk clones, etc etc.  All free and has saved my butt a couple times.  Keep a copy in your car...

[PHole717]

But this is the dumbest discussion since edfan and I went on for 20 pages about evolution and creation.

I agree, though I did find that discussion very interesting.

We will take windows 98 for example. You can't get to a DOS prompt if there is no mbr. You can use a floppy A drive to do so, but back in 98 the 98 fdisk wasn't availibe online, just as the xp fdisk isn't availible online for download.

I know what it means, and have you heard of a JOKE? I was kidding around, so I can't understand why you have to jump all over me because of it.

Well sure, if the MBR is clobbered there's not a lot you can do unless you planned ahead. Always have a recovery plan if you're tinkering with your hard drive. Failing that, you can find boot disks for just about any operating system online (including utilities such as fdisk), though obviously you're much better off having your own. Win98 (or any other version) really doesn't apply, since if the BIOS finds no usable MBR on your primary hard drive you won't be going far ...

I "jump all over [you] because of it" because I have to deal with and listen to stupid script kiddie attitude in just about every facet of my online life. I've not yet had to deal with it here, and I don't intend to continue. I'm fairly certain this is the first time we've seen dee-nee members referred to as "nubs like you," or had people criticized because of their choice of decompression software.

Nightwulf

Newsflash! It was a joke. Don't take everything so seriously.

[PHole717]

Back in the days of DOS, I used to use ARJ... that doesn't make me a bad person, does it?

No way, ARJ had plenty of love on the old BBS systems.  Downloading pirated games at 14.4 was the shiznit and you needed a little more oomph than what pkzip could offer...

Since most people still following this thread have a technical background, burn at least two copies of the Ultimate Boot CD.  VERY handy boot CD with memory testers, hard drive testers, hardware detection, disk erasing utilities, fdisk clones, etc etc.  All free and has saved my butt a couple times.  Keep a copy in your car...

As usual G, you are the man.

[Gantry]

I'm telling ya, burn a coule isos and keep them handy, good stuff...

Nightwulf is looking out for the good of dee-nee, it was tough to tell from that first post if it was a joke or not.  He has to deal with a lot of that stuff on some of the other places he frequents.  But nobody meant anything so everything's cool...

No harm done on either side, lets move along little doggies...

[nightwulf]

Since most people still following this thread have a technical background, burn at least two copies of the Ultimate Boot CD.  VERY handy boot CD with memory testers, hard drive testers, hardware detection, disk erasing utilities, fdisk clones, etc etc.  All free and has saved my butt a couple times.  Keep a copy in your car...

But one serious question remains ... does it have a Perl interpreter?? !!

Nightwulf

[Gantry]

But one serious question remains ... does it have a Perl interpreter?? !!

Nope, just php, REXX and Scheme (smiley)

[BDawk]

Computers??? What do they do?

[malnuboy]

I know this thread was about some RBI remix songs, then it turned to computers, I'm lost but I vote for NightWulf because he's smart and has dirty socks.

[fightonusc]

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