FS '90 All-Time Lineups

[Dryden]

I think you have to balance single season with career, to try to get a list of the legitimate "best" players for a given franchise.

Clearly, Ozzie Smith is the best shortstop the Cardinals ever had.  Anyone would say this.  The fact that he didn't hit very well is unfortunate, but to use a season that Edgar Renteria (or anyone else) had is kind of intellectually dishonest.

However, the fact that Don Lock seems to have the "best" "career" for the Rangers in CF doesn't say much - if someone put up a season that was worth a crap, you'd probably want to go with them.

Ryno's right about Anson - he's so much better than any other Cubs 1B, it's not even close.  But since Dawson and Sosa both played RF, that doesn't really work.  Fortunately, Billy Williams played LF.  And if Sandberg's best season was better than Hornsby's...  well, it just wasn't.

[ultimate7]

I'd assume you were already using Hornsby for STL

[Dryden]

Yeah, but I don't think that was Ryno's point.

[TβG]

i know augie ojeda personally ( i went to college with him) and i would be disappointed if he were left off the rom.

Tennessee?

I liked Augie.  He's still in twin's system.  100% pure hustle player.

cypress community college

[BeefMaster]

SP   Lefty Grove
SP   Eddie Plank
SP   Chief Bender
SP   Catfish Hunter/Vida Blue
RP   Dennis Eckersley
RP   Rollie Fingers

The A's have the best pitchers' names.

For the Twins, you could put Bob Allison in one of those bench slots - he's generally regarded as one of the best outfielders in Twins history, not including Senators (the Twins generally don't acknowledge their pre-Minnesota history much, although they did do a Big Train bobblehead night a couple years ago).

In the relief slot, Al Worthington was solid for five years or so in the late 60's.  Other than Aguilera, the Twins don't have much for relievers that were great for more than a couple years (Nathan, Guardado, Reardon, etc.).

[Dryden]

Updated (maybe final?) lineups attached.  Any and all comments welcome - thanks for the comments so far.

[RedBarron]

Yeah, but I don't think that was Ryno's point.

My point was to go with RBI'ers where possible.

I also tried to go with guys in the starting lineup that you wouldn't normally sub in.  Say I put Anson or Chance at 1b.  Sure they have a high average, but RBI is about Power, so those guys would never get to play and you'd kill a bench spot.


Is there room for Todd Hundly as a back up catcher?

[RedBarron]

you may consider putting Zoilo Versalles as the Twins SS.  He was the AL MVP during their 1965 World Series run.

[RedBarron]

also, your Cubs are too old school. . . .  .. they won games


Not trying to be an asshole, but i wonder if having more recognizable players make help the overall playability of the ROM.  Sure guys like me and you will know who the Cap Ansons and Tris Speakers of the world are, but alot of guys might not.

Then again, you aren't looking to mass produce this bad boy either.

So, carry on. . . pay me no attention.

[fightonusc]

I have no fucking clue who Cap Anson or Tris Speaker is.

So, carry on. . . pay me no attention.

[RedBarron]

I have no fucking clue who Cap Anson or Tris Speaker is.

So, carry on. . . pay me no attention.

If you were Mr. OJ I would suggest you go fuck yourself.

But since you're cool and whatnot, I'll suggest you go have joyous buttsex with fknmcclane

[Dryden]

For the record, if you don't know who Cap Anson and Tris Speaker are, you're not a real baseball fan.  These are 2 of the best 25 or so players of all-time.

[RedBarron]

For the record, if you don't know who Cap Anson and Tris Speaker are, you're not a real baseball fan. These are 2 of the best 25 or so players of all-time.

I'd be willing to bet many fans don't know them.

Am I wrong or were many Speaker's hits actually walks?  Seems like I recall them counting walks as hits at one time.

You also realize that by calling these guys 2 of the best 25 or so, you open up the "you're an idiot because you can't compare eras" sort of argument.

Have I mentioned that I want to have sex with your aviator?

[Dryden]

None of Speaker's hits were walks.  There was a period of time where this was done, but a lot of effort has been made in the last 5 years or so to go through all of the box scores from these earlier periods and recompile the information, using current methods of accounting for stats (this is how Hack Wilson got his 191st RBI in 1930, why Nap Lajoie's BA in 1901 is now .426 instead of .422, etc.) - if the hits were walks, you wouldn't see him credited with any walks at all, since they'd all be under hits...

Of course you can compare eras.  How you do it can be discussed, but to say it can't be done is silly.  Besides, you have to define what an era is, anyway.  One player's career might span multiple "eras".  Does that mean we can't look at his total accomplishments, we can only look at one season at a time?

To be fair, Anson is probably more like top 50, Speaker top 10-12.  I averaged a bit...

[TempoGL]

i would rather see Konerko or even Carlos Lee on the pale hose instead of Magglio...magglio ditched us and then tried to make the sox look like the bad guys.

[Dryden]

                              Runs Created for White Sox
Magglio Ordonez    727
Carlos Lee              549
Paul Konerko          543

The problem is, Magglio is a lot better than those 2...

[ericdavisfan]

White Sox = Ron Kittle

[TempoGL]

                              Runs Created for White Sox
Magglio Ordonez    727
Carlos Lee              549
Paul Konerko          543

The problem is, Magglio is a lot better than those 2...

and he's a damn sellout.  he's not a true member of the white sox.  or like EDF said, Ron Kittle.

[Dryden]

Runs Created for White Sox
Magglio Ordonez 727
Carlos Lee 549
Paul Konerko 543

The problem is, Magglio is a lot better than those 2...

and he's a damn sellout. he's not a true member of the white sox. or like EDF said, Ron Kittle.

Okay, choose from Happy Felsch, Johnny Mostil and Ivan Calderon, then.

[ericdavisfan]

Okay, choose from Happy Felsch, Johnny Mostil and Ivan Calderon, then.

If you can make Calderon do that nifty little snap/catch thing that he used to do, then definitely go with him!