2005 ROM ratings thread

[Attezzobal]

I updated the ROM with the Yanks and Braves. I changed the Yanks around a bit based on the Braves rankings and suggestions from Beefy and Ult.

I can't for the life of me figure out why I can't save on the editor...Here's the attached rom with the ChiSox, Braves, and Yanks

[nomaaa]

i'd like to see the cubs (with nomar at third, of course) and maybe the athletics or the indians. that's would be a cool lineup.

[JoeDirt]

same for Rivera, since he only really uses a cutter/fastball combo, he'd be almost the same as Berenger, and pretty easy to hit.

I don't think this has to be so.  You can throw a cutter in RBI.  Give Rivera a high CrR rating so that you can break a pitch in on a R batter's hands at the last second.  He should have plus speed and as good as an RP can have for stamina.  Also, he should be able to change speeds well.   He'll be a great RP.

[JoeDirt]

Hey guys, this is great that y'all are so dedicated and excited about this.

Can I suggest that we use some sort of baseline (such as what Beef has suggested but more detailed) as much as possible?  I'd like to take out personal interpretation as much as possible.

You know what would be great--is if we can use RBI as the baseline...

If anybody has a little time, it'd be super helpful if we had a spreadsheet that has the following data of all RBI NES players:

Hitters: Name, ABs, HRs, BA, SO, SB, POWER, CONTACT, SPEED

We'd need something else for Ps...SO per Inn is pretty good for speed, and GS and G are good for stamina (SP and RP, respectively) but CrR/CrL, and drop ratings are likely to be subjective.  Perhaps we can base this on pitchers in the game today...for example, Randy Johnson should be similar to a left handed Nolan Ryan; Clemens should be similar to, well, Clemens; Pettitte should be similar to Ojeda, etc...

[TbT]

i like what dirt is saying here.  as for rivera...maybe give him a nasty drop ball too....in terms of correlation to how good a guy is overall, that would make him decidedly harder to hit for sure in RBI.   

i realize what guys are known for in terms of thier pitches in real life, but think in terms of RBI to make them good/bad.  this may cause you to bend your thinking a bit.

[TbT]

if i was trying to come up with a rom, i believe its important to not be so anal about individuals per se, but i think ratings have to be scewed a bit to reflect the team overall. 

Like the guy who posted about atlanta said...they are a good fundamental team but it doesnt translate into statistics...well just give the batter some additonal love in contact and power.....and they will continue to be a good team in rbi. 

joe pointed out that NY and MIN won the series in 86 and 87, yet they are bottom 5 teams.  did the programmers screw this up?  nah.  MIN had a crappy record the year they won the series.  They just happened to catch Lightning in a bottle(in JD's own werds)  But NY was a real good team that was not translated into rbi terms very well.  so maybe NY shoulda had some better bats, or a tad more pitching on the ratings.

hopefully this post makes some semblence of sense to yall.  Bend the rules a bit and color outside the lines if need be.  and joes examples of Randy Johnson as a lefty Nolan is a good idea as well. 


I am swinging from Dirts nads...forgive me.   

[JoeDirt]

TBT don't forget to mention that I was peeing while we talked.  I sat down so you wouldn't hear me peeing, but I guess the jig is up, since I just posted my dirty little secret...

[TbT]

you sat down...chump!  you shoulda just put the phone down by the toilet as soon as you picked up...it woulda been interesting to say the least to hear your urine splatter on the cold calm toilet water.

btw, was that grunting noises you were making or were you just happy to hear from me?

[JoeDirt]

haha, no, I just did number 1.

[nightwulf]

I sat down so you wouldn't hear me peeing

Allow me.

Pics?

[RedBarron]

"real" baseball hardly translates well onto a video game.

How do I know this?    I'm a cub fan.   Damn near every baseball game that has the cubs, you will find that the Cubs are good on video games?  Typically the Cubs have power hitting, which does well in video games.

Hell, if you put the 87 Cubs on RBI, they'd beat the shit out of everyone --- tons of power.

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

Data for team 3 (Atlanta):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Furcal  LHB .284  12  16   795 146
02 Giles    RHB .291 15  20  834 138
03 CJones LHB .296 21  18   895 132
04 AJones RHB .263 51  32   955 122
05 LaRche LHB .259 20  26  851 124
06 Fnceur RHB  .300 14   8   867 134
07 Lngrhs  LHB .267  8  26   835 128
08 Estrda  LHB .261  4  22   810 120
=======================================
09 Orr        LHB .300  1  16  744  143
10 KJhnsn  LHB .244  9  26   825 130
11 McCann LHB .278 5  20   820 124
12 Franco  RHB .275  9  22   833 132



I tried to be honest with these guys, and frankly they just come out sucking.  Not one individual stat of any player on the Braves (other than AJones) is impressive.  The problem with the Braves is that clutch hitting, good fundamentals, and team chemistry can't factor into their RBI version...  For the record, I also factored strikeouts into the contact rating.

Pitching is going to be an even more difficult task but I'll try to get to that soon.  I was thinking of giving Smoltz/Hudson a lot of stamina since of any team's one-two punch, they probably have the highest average IP/game in the majors, but I don't see how I could make it much higher than what's already been made for the other teams...

I'm so looking forward to playing this ROM when it's done.

I hope to GOD you are kidding me.  Andruw at 122 speed? THAT must be a typo.  Maybe 142.

[Attezzobal]

Andruw really isn't as fast as he appears, he gets by on having the best intuition and first step in the game.

[TempoGL]

slight updates for White Sox hitters...lowered a few guys power, raised a few guy's contact.

Data for team 1 (ChicagoSox):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Pdsdnk LHB .293  0  11   717 148
02 Iguchi RHB .278 15  16   788 142
03 Knerko RHB .283 40  15   930 120
04 Dye    RHB .271 30  20   904 134
05 Rowand RHB .271 13  17   838 138
06 Pznski LHB .256 18  26   841 124
07 Crede  RHB .252 22  24   858 128
08 Uribe  RHB .254 16  28   822 128
=======================================
09 Ozuna  RHB .276  0  16   735 144
10 Harris LHB .258  1  22   755 144
11 Evrett LHB .250 23  26   882 128
12 Perez  LHB .219  2  30   782 134
=======================================
13 Burhle LHB .150  0   0     0   0
14 Garlnd RHB .150  0   0     0   0
15 Cotts  LHB .150  0   0     0   0
16 Hrmnsn RHB .150  0   0     0   0

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Burhle LHP 3.12   5  8 10 158 174 190  50 115 140
02 Garlnd RHP 3.50   6  8  5 162 178 188  44 113 143
03 Cotts  LHP 1.94   7  9  6 162 178 200  15 114 142
04 Hrmnsn RHP 2.04   8 10  7 156 172 184  15 116 139

[TempoGL]

Just made the Padres, man do they ever suck.  i used yahoo sports to tell me who batted where in the order most often.

Data for team 6 (SanDiego):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Robrts LHB .275  8  20   768 142
02 Loreta RHB .280  3  18   749 138
03 Klesko LHB .248 18  26   870 126
04 Giles  LHB .301 15  10   844 136
05 Herndz RHB .290 12  14   878 122
06 Nady   RHB .261 13  20   852 124
07 Burghs LHB .250  1  26   737 126
08 Greene RHB .250 15  28   828 128
=======================================
09 Sweeny LHB .294  8  14   872 128
10 Jacksn RHB .255  5  20   772 144
11 Fick   LHB .265  3  20   782 126
12 Randa  RHB .265  4  18   788 126
=======================================
13 Peavy  RHB .150  0   0     0   0
14 Lawrnc RHB .150  0   0     0   0
15 Lnbrnk RHB .150  0   0     0   0
16 Hoffmn RHB .150  0   0     0   0

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Peavy  RHP 2.88   7  9  6 152 187 200  46 141 146
02 Lawrnc RHP 4.83   5  7  4 138 167 179  40 113 143
03 Lnbrnk RHP 1.83   8  9  4 146 167 192  15 110 115
04 Hoffmn RHP 2.97  10 11  8 142 183 202  15 114 141

just a note, i noticed that the Braves are in the slot that would usually be occupied by an AL team (DT?) I think before we actually get this thing made, we need to set it up like the original:  the four AL teams followed by the four NL teams.  i know it's small, but this will eat away at me forever if we don't fix it!

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

Andruw really isn't as fast as he appears, he gets by on having the best intuition and first step in the game.

Agreed, but if you think Chip, LaRoche and all those slow bastards are faster, whoa.

[OctoFranco]

I changed the Yanks around a bit...

Could you please post those changes or update your original post?

I hope to GOD you are kidding me.  Andruw at 122 speed? THAT must be a typo.  Maybe 142.

Andruw may be able to get around in center field, but he is shit on the basepaths.  I based his horrible speed mainly on the fact that he can never, ever beat out a double play.  Ever.

(For the record, AJones stole five bases this season and was caught three times.)

142 is completely ridiculously out of hand.  In the online league you ran, you chose the stats for the Braves since they were your team and every last one of them was inflated.  This is why it's dangerous to have a team's fan choosing that team's stats, even here...

And the Padres look about right, actually, Strassy.  Relatively shitty, yes, but this is RBI after all, and somebody has to be in the third tier of teams.

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

actually those were based off MVP so you can send it in to EA Sports.

[TempoGL]

no bickering in this thread!

[OctoFranco]

How are you getting these pitching stats, Strassy?  Just randomly assigning attributes based on statistics, or do you know the pitchers as far as who throws what?  I do agree that listing out the attributes of some original RBI'ers, maybe clearly the not-so-good, the decent, and the stars, as a reference point for this sort of thing might be helpful, especially for the pitchers.

Also, since it looks like all stars are going to take the final two spots (though I realize that could still change, technically), we should make a decision.  Allow playoff-team players to also appear on their league's all star team (and thus be in the game twice) or leave them out by substituting non-all stars who are still good, a la the original RBI?  I of course am a traditionalist, but realize that searching appropriate subs, especially having to go by position, can be a demanding task.  I'd be curious to see Stock's decisions.