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Draft Order (done randomly on draftordergenerator.com)

1. Ryno
2. Stu
3. Shooty
4. Fighton
5. Nacho
6. Beefmaster
7. Nomaaa
8. GDavis
9. TempoGL
10. Darkside

Draft will be done in serpentine fire fashion.  All times are forum time (Central time zone)

If the person in front of you has already picked, you are free to draft at your leisure.  However, no one can be skipped until their time has passed.  If you need to send out a proxy, PM me.

Your starting lineup must have all 8 positions represented (aside from pitcher, of course).  Consult the player list for position listings
Your first two pitchers must be starters.  Your second two pitchers must be relievers (as determined by the original game)

Round 1 - Wednesday, July 11th
1. 9 AM Ryno - OF Andre Dawson
2. 9:30 Stu - OF George Bell
3. 10:00 Shooty - 1B Mark McGwire
4. 10:30 Fighton - OF Jose Canseco
5. 11:00 Nacho - OF Reggie Jackson
6. 11:30 Beefmaster - 1B Darrell Evans
7. 12:00 Nomaaa - OF Tim Raines
8. 12:30 GDavis - OF Don Baylor
9. 1:00 TempoGL - OF Eric Davis
10.  1:30 Darkside - C Gary Carter

Round 2 - Wednesday, July 11th
11. 2:00PM Darkside - 3B Mike Schmidt
12. 2:30  TempoGL - 3B Gary Gaetti
13. 3:00  GDavis - OF Daryl Strawberry
14 3:30 Nomaaa - SS Alan Trammell
15. 4:00 Beefmaster - OF Dale Murphy
16. 4:30 Nacho - OF Kirk Gibson
17. 5:00 Fighton - 3B Doug DeCinces
18. 5:30 Shooty - OF Tom Brunansky
19. 6:00 Stu - 1B Will Clark
20. 6:30 Ryno - OF Chili Davis

Round 3 - Thursday, July 12th
21. 9 AM Ryno - 1B Wally Joyner
22. 9:30 Stu - OF Jim Rice
23. 10:00 Shooty - OF Ellis "Don't Call me Tim" Burks
24. 10:30 Fighton - 1B Kent Hrbek
25. 11:00 Nacho - 3B Tom Brookens
26. 11:30 Beefmaster - SS Dick Schofield
27. 12:00 Nomaaa - 1B Don Mattingly
28. 12:30 GDavis - SS Cal Ripken
29. 1:00 TempoGL - 2B Lou Whittaker
30.  1:30 Darkside - SS Ozzie Smith

Round 4 - Thursday, July 12th
31. 2:00PM Darkside - 1B Jack Clark
32. 2:30  TempoGL - C Tim Laudner
33. 3:00  GDavis - OF Tony Armas
34 3:30 Nomaaa - C Matt Nokes
35. 4:00 Beefmaster - C Rich Gedman
36. 4:30 Nacho - OF Rupert Jones
37. 5:00 Fighton - OF Jeffrey Leonard
38. 5:30 Shooty - 3B Kevin Mitchell
39. 6:00 Stu - OF Kirby Puckett
40. 6:30 Ryno - 3B Harry Spilman

Round 5 - Friday, July 13th
41. 9 AM Ryno - OF Vince Coleman
42. 9:30 Stu - 3B George Brett
43. 10:00 Shooty - OF Dwight Evans
44. 10:30 Fighton - OF Candy Maldonado
45. 11:00 Nacho - 1B Glen Davis
46. 11:30 Beefmaster - 2B Son of a Grich
47. 12:00 Nomaaa - THIRD BASEMAN Bill Madlock
48. 12:30 GDavis - 1B Keith Hernandez
49. 1:00 TempoGL - OF Chet Lemon
50.  1:30 Darkside - OF Brian Downing

Round 6 - Friday, July 13th
51. 2:00PM Darkside - OF Pedro Guerrero
52. 2:30  TempoGL - SS Greg Gagne
53. 3:00  GDavis - C Bob Boone
54 3:30 Nomaaa - OF Dave Henderson
55. 4:00 Beefmaster - OF George Hendrick
56. 4:30 Nacho - 2B Rob Wilfong
57. 5:00 Fighton - C Bob Brenley
58. 5:30 Shooty - 2B Bill Doran
59. 6:00 Stu - SS Julio Franco
60. 6:30 Ryno - SS Craig Reynolds

Round 7 - Monday, July 16th
61. 9 AM Ryno - C Alan Ashby
62. 9:30 Stu - C Mike Heath
63. 10:00 Shooty - P Mike Scott
64. 10:30 Fighton - SS Rick Burleson
65. 11:00 Nacho - P Doc Gooden
66. 11:30 Beefmaster - OF Pat Sheridan
67. 12:00 Nomaaa - P Nolan Ryan
68. 12:30 GDavis - 3B Howard Johnson
69. 1:00 TempoGL - P Roger Clemens
70.  1:30 Darkside - 2B Chris Speier

Round 8 - Monday, July 16th
71. 2:00PM Darkside - P Jimmy Key
72. 2:30  TempoGL - 1B Jim Lindeman
73. 3:00  GDavis - 2B Tim Teufel
74 3:30 Nomaaa - 2B Ryne Sandberg
75. 4:00 Beefmaster - 3B Phil Garner
76. 4:30 Nacho - C Benito Santiago
77. 5:00 Fighton - P Bret Saberhagen
78. 5:30 Shooty - C Tony Pena
79. 6:00 Stu - P John Tudor
80. 6:30 Ryno - P Fernando Valenzuela

Round 9 - Tuesday, July 17th
81. 9 AM Ryno - P Bob Ojeda
82. 9:30 Stu - P Rick Sutcliffe
83. 10:00 Shooty - P Doyle Alexander
84. 10:30 Fighton - 2B Tom Herr
85. 11:00 Nacho - P Fart Blyleven
86. 11:30 Beefmaster - OF Davy Lopes
87. 12:00 Nomaaa - P Frank Viola
88. 12:30 GDavis - P Jack Morris
89. 1:00 TempoGL - OF Lenny Dykstra
90.  1:30 Darkside - OF Danny Heep

Round 10 - Tuesday, July 17th
91. 2:00PM Darkside - RP Guillermo Hernandez
92. 2:30  TempoGL - P Mike Witt
93. 3:00  GDavis - P Bruce Hurst
94 3:30 Nomaaa - OF Willie McGee
95. 4:00 Beefmaster - OF John Morris
96. 4:30 Nacho - RP Roger McDowell
97. 5:00 Fighton - P Danny Cox
98. 5:30 Shooty - SS Dickie Thon
99. 6:00 Stu - 2B Willie Randolph
100. 6:30 Ryno - 2B Robbie Thompson

Round 11 - Wednesday, July 18th
101. 9 AM Ryno - 3B Terry Pendleton
102. 9:30 Stu - OF Tony Gwynn
103. 10:00 Shooty - 3B Wade Boggs
104. 10:30 Fighton - OF Kevin Bass
105. 11:00 Nacho - P Scott Garrelts
106. 11:30 Beefmaster - OF Joel Youngblood
107. 12:00 Nomaaa - 3B Ray Knight
108. 12:30 GDavis - OF Billy Hatcher
109. 1:00 TempoGL - OF Mookie Wilson
110.  1:30 Darkside - P Juan Berengeur

Round 12 - Wednesday, July 18th
111. 2:00PM Darkside - P Mike Krukow
112. 2:30  TempoGL - P Charlie Kerfeld
113. 3:00  GDavis - OF Gary Pettis
114. 3:30 Nomaaa - P Steve Bedrosian
115. 4:00 Beefmaster - OF Harold Baines
116. 4:30 Nacho - 1B John Kruk
117. 5:00 Fighton - P Tom Henke
118. 5:30 Shooty - RP Jesse Orosco
119. 6:00 Stu - RP John Franco
120. 6:30 Ryno - 1B Bill Buckner

Round 13 - Thursday, July 19th
121. 9 AM Ryno - RP Dave Righetti
122. 9:30 Stu - 3B Paul Molitor
123. 10:00 Shooty - RP Jeff Reardon
124. 10:30 Fighton - OF Terry Puhl
125. 11:00 Nacho - OF Jose Cruz
126. 11:30 Beefmaster - RP Bob Stanley
127. 12:00 Nomaaa - RP Don Robinson
128. 12:30 GDavis - RP Doug Corbet
129. 1:00 TempoGL - OF Randy Bush
130.  1:30 Darkside - 1B Dave Bergman

Round 14 - Thursday, July 19th
131. 2:00PM Darkside - 2B Steve Lombardozzi
132. 2:30  TempoGL - SS Jose Uribe
133. 3:00  GDavis - OF Dan Gladden
134. 3:30 Nomaaa - OF Mike Aldrete
135. 4:00 Beefmaster - RP Eric King
136. 4:30 Nacho - C Marc Sullivan
137. 5:00 Fighton - P Donnie Moore
138. 5:30 Shooty - 1B Andres Galarraga
139. 6:00 Stu - C Steve Lake
140. 6:30 Ryno - 3B Roy Smalley

Round 15 - Friday, July 20th
141. 9 AM Ryno - RP Ken Dayley
142. 9:30 Stu - RP Todd Worrell
143. 10:00 Shooty - SS Spike Owen
144. 10:30 Fighton - OF Larry Herndon
145. 11:00 Nacho - SS Al Pedrique
146. 11:30 Beefmaster - SP Don Sutton (by default)
147. 12:00 Nomaaa - OF Gene Larki
148. 12:30 GDavis - RP Calvin Schiraldi
149. 1:00 TempoGL - 3B Kevin Seitzer
150.  1:30 Darkside - OF Curt Ford

Round 16 - Friday, July 20th
151. 2:00PM Darkside - 2B Marty Barrett
152. 2:30  TempoGL - RP Dave Smith (by default)
153. 3:00  GDavis - OF Lee Mazzilli
154. 3:30 Nomaaa - C Bill Schroeder
155. 4:00 Beefmaster - SP Rick Reuschel (by default)
156. 4:30 Nacho
157. 5:00 Fighton
158. 5:30 Shooty
159. 6:00 Stu
160. 6:30 Ryno

Player List

Catcher
1. Ashby
2. Boone
3. Brenley
4. Carter
5. Gedman
6. Heath
7. Lake
8. Laudner
9. Nokes
10. Pena
11. Santiago
12. Schroeder
13. Sullivan

First Base
1. Bergman
2. Buckner
3. Jack Clark
4. Will Clark
5. Glen Davis
6. Darrel Evans
7. Galarraga
8. Keith Hernandez
9. Hrbek
10. Joyner
11. Kruk
12. Lindeman
13. Mattingly
14. McGwire


Second Base
1. Backman
2. Barrett
3. Doran
4. Grich
5. Herr
6. Lombardozzi
7. Randolph
8. Sandberg
9. Speier
10. Teufel
11. Thompson
12. Whittaker
13. Wilfong

Third Base
1. Boggs
2. Brett
3. Brookens
4. Decinces
5. Gaetti
6. Garner
7. Johnson
8. Knight
9. Madlock
10. Mitchell
11. Molitor
12. Pendleton
13. Schmidt
14. Seitzer
15. Smalley
16. Spillman
17. Walling

Shortstop
1. Burleson
2. Julio Franco
3. Gagne
4. Owen
5. Pedrique
6. Reynolds
7. Ripken
8. Santana
9. Schofield
10. Smith
11. Thon
12. Trammell
13. Uribe

Outfield
1. Aldrete
46. Armas
2. Baines
3. Bass
4. Baylor
5. Bell
6. Brunansky
48. Burks
7. Bush
8. Canseco
9. Coleman
10. Cruz
11. Davidson
12. Chili Davis
13. Eric Davis
14. Dawson
15. Downing
16. Dykstra
17. Dwight Evans
18. Ford
19. Gibson
20. Gladden
21. Guerrero
22. Gwynn
23. Hatcher
24. Heep
47. Henderson
25. Hendrick
50. Herndon
26. Jackson
27. Jones
28. Larkin
49. Lemon
29. Leonard
30. Lopes
31. Maldonado
32. Mazzilli
33. McGee
34. Morris
35. Murphy
36. Oquendo
37. Pettis
38. Puckett
39. Puhl
40. Raines
41. Rice
42. Sheridan
43. Strawberry
44. Wilson
45. Youngblood

Starting Pitcher
1. Alexander
2. Blyleven
3. Clemens
4. Cox
5. Gooden
6. Hurst
7. Key
8. Krukow
9. Morris
10. Ojeda
11. Reuschel
12. Ryan
13. Saberhagen
14. Scott
15. Sutcliffe
16. Sutton
17. Tudor
18. Valenzuela
19. Viola
20. Witt

Relief Pitcher
1. Bedrosian
2. Berenguer
3. Corbett
4. Dayley
5. John Franco
6. Garrelts
7. Henke
8. Guillermo Hernandez
9. Kerfeld
10. King
11. McDowell
12. Moore
13. Orosco
14. Reardon
15. Righetti
16. Robinson
17. Schiraldi
18. Smith
19. Stanley
20. Worrell

Somehow I am missing 5 positions players.  If someone has a complete player list, hook me up.  Otherwise, I'll have to go back and check it later.

Wiki has the overall player rankings with all the players, not sure if that'll help:

http://wiki.dee-nee.com/wiki/Overall_Player_Rankings

I'm interested to see how this draft format goes. It could allow for more discussion between picks since we won't have any runs of 5-6 picks in a 20-minute timespan. It'll also make for a slightly longer draft than usual, and people tend to get bored of them after the 2nd day.

draft commentary commentary brought to you by nacho

Quote from: nomaaa on 07/01/18, 10:28:58 AM
draft commentary commentary brought to you by nacho

Incisive draft commentary commentary commentary here.

Looks like Tony Armas is missing

And Burks and Dave Henderson

Larry Herndon and Chet Lemon

Quote from: ultimate7 on 07/01/18, 02:08:54 PM
And Burks

I notice you didn't use a first name, yet did for everyone else.  TAKE A SIDE IN THE ELLIS VS TIM DEBATE YOU SPINELESS COWARD!!!!

is brett batting righty?

in that case, Tim

How am I always last or next to last in these drafts? If anyone needs a spreadsheet with all the positions listed, pm me. I'm supposed to get one to nomaaa, but I brought the wrong hard drive to work and that drive had the spread sheet that we have used in all the drafts.

Thanks ultimate.  Ryno, you are free to pick whenever you want, although the clock doesn't begin until the 11th.

Quote from: Nacho on 07/01/18, 10:15:01 AM
I'm interested to see how this draft format goes. It could allow for more discussion between picks since we won't have any runs of 5-6 picks in a 20-minute timespan. It'll also make for a slightly longer draft than usual, and people tend to get bored of them after the 2nd day.

How do you know people lose interest?  Drafts never go longer than a few days because of the frenetic and obsessive pace that past draft operators insist on.  I SAY NO MORE

Andre's Copulators select Andre Dawson

Draft going as expected, so far

97% Dawson
2% Sandberg
1% Sutcliffe

It was a toss up. 

Stu takes George Bell

I'll take Mark McGwire I guess.

Some really good players still left

Quote from: Gantry on 07/02/18, 07:33:55 PM
Some really good players still left

Corbet still on the board

The champagne is not Corbet

After this is done I would love to have a fantasy rbi league where you try to lose. Have to draft the worst players in the game. Like pedrique and Santana and Sullivan etc. That would be fun.

Quote from: Gantry on 07/01/18, 02:20:50 PM

Quote from: ultimate7 on 07/01/18, 02:08:54 PM
And Burks

I notice you didn't use a first name, yet did for everyone else.  TAKE A SIDE IN THE ELLIS VS TIM DEBATE YOU SPINELESS COWARD!!!!

It is clearly Ellis

They used his 1987 stats, I forgot the game labeled him "Tim".

SURE YOU DID WAFFLER, SURE YOU DID

Why do you think fighton is taking his sweet as time with the next pick?

   
• Intensive research isn't finished?
• a full week of July 4th festivities are taking priority?
• Trolling us softly?
• In process of deleting his account because someone insulted NASCAR on the ATG forum?

Maybe he doesn't know.  Since the draft starts next week.

He knows.  You bet your sweet ass that he knows.

lol

Been on vacation all week and I have very spotty Internet. Gimme hJose Canseco.

TAHOE?

I think he was in Spottysville

of course

I'll take Reggie Jackson

THERE WE FUCKING GO

Quote from: Gantry on 07/06/18, 07:11:31 AM
TAHOE?

Damned right

I'll take DaEvns.

Two quality picks in a row

I was hoping DaEvans would slip a few more, but not surprised that he was picked.

Seems like the first 6 picks were the same as last year, but in different order.  Is that pretty standard for Fantasy RBI?

pretty much looks like it

was hoping darrrel would make it to me. you'd think i'd have my pick ready but gimme a bit

Rock City Diplomats select Tim Raines - OF

(http://wiki.dee-nee.com/w/images/9/99/RainesExpos1.JPG)

I'll take HBP machine Don Baylor

Not gonna lie, Raines was a surprise there.  People do have vastly different opinions on speed.

I remember taking Raines in the second round once and regretted it. He had a terrible season for a high round pick.

I'm taking Eric Davis (fan)

I'm visiting my dad in New Mexico right now and am limited to my phone for internet access. I'll update the rosters and draft list more completely once I can get on an actual computer.

i was between rock & eric davis

raines was my best player last season. top 10 ops & very consistent for me. the diplomats wouldn't be rock city without him. plus he was a 2017 allstar*

Quote from: GDavis on 07/09/18, 02:25:52 PM
Not gonna lie, Raines was a surprise there.  People do have vastly different opinions on speed.

my draft will probably be full of surprises, and this is still only my second or third one

Quote from: GDavis on 07/09/18, 02:25:52 PM
Not gonna lie, Raines was a surprise there.  People do have vastly different opinions on speed.

My impression based on results has been that an all-speed guy simply doesn't hit enough to be worth much, but Raines combines it with enough power to be pretty valuable.

The Empire selects:

C Gary Carter
3B Mike Schmidt

3B Gary "the Rat" Gaetti

Daryl Strawberry 🍓

SS Alan Trammell

(https://sabr.org/sites/default/files/images/TrammellAlan.jpg)

We just need 3 OF right? Not a left, center, and right fielder?

Correct, Doctor

Reminder that the drat is going live tomorrow afternoon!

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/10/18, 10:44:09 AM
Reminder that the drat is going live tomorrow afternoon!

I wonder who the first overall pick is going to be.

I wonder who the next pick will be. I'm hoping to get a couple rounds ahead since I'm traveling Thursday.

With that little tidbit, I'll be taking my full time when I'm up next.

I'll take Dale Murphy.

I'll take Kirk Gibson.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/W2s3bOA9hasRq/giphy.gif)

I dig Doug DeCinces.

I gary Gaetti.

He's taken.

Fine.  I'll go with Brunansky

Going to be real hawkward when Bruno gets to the clubhouse, knowing that you didn't really want him.

He'll be cool.  He was part of #TEAMSHOOTY last year. 

And yet you wanted to cast him aside for Gaetti, you show as much loyalty as your beloved Patriots do

Its a tough business.  I hope Bruno can be professional after facing such a tough circumstance...

He's a pro's pro, but there will be some simmering discontent.  He's human after all...

I also drafted McGwire again.  Hopefully he's not pissed at me for trading him to the cellar dweller Reds team. 

Any chance of a Jack Clark reunion?

Quote from: Reds on 07/11/18, 07:55:03 AM
Any chance of a Jack Clark reunion?

Fuck to the No.

Strass, is stu going to make an account to participate in the draft? Or is he doing this entirely through you?

Does Disco Stu like disco music?

He made an account. He's 1987CardinalsRule. Not sure why e didn't post yet.

He did tell me that he wants Will Clark with his second pick, though.

He made an account. He's 1987CardinalsRule. Not sure why e didn't post yet.

He did tell me that he wants Will Clark with his second pick, though.

Is ryno allowed to make his two picks now or are you waiting for Stu to make it official?

Ryno is allowed to pick.  I already texted him

The Copulators select Will Clark and Chili Davis

Stu just picked Will Clark

lol

Oops.  I read that as Jack Clark....assumptions being  they are. 

I'll take wally joyner

Jack Clark is still on the board if anyone wants him.  He's really good. 

Stu is up and he already picked Will, so we might as well just give him Will's brother Jack as well.

As much as I love Jack, and Jack is a baller, Will is the thrill.   :thumbsup:

Hi Stu, welcome to Dee-Nee.

MAKE YOUR NEXT PICK ALREADY, YOU ARE UP!

sorry i'm late to the party.  Still learning how to use the internet.  it's rough man. 

There isnt a player in the game named Roughman.  You get Jack Clark. 

i pick jim rice

STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Welcome Stu.

My third pick is OF Tim Burks

Mr HR, Kent Hrbek.

I feel like Cunt Hrbek lasted longer than he should've.  Nice pick.

Brookens(rules)

Damn you, Nacho!

Schfld

1b Don Mattingly

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/0/07/HatB_-_Don_Mattingly.png/revision/latest?cb=20100919200809)

I'll welcome back Cal Ripken Jr to my team

2B Lou Whitaker

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/11/18, 04:33:33 PM
2B Lou Whitaker

sweet lou! nice pick

Quote from: nomaaa on 07/11/18, 03:58:50 PM
1b Don Mattingly

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/0/07/HatB_-_Don_Mattingly.png/revision/latest?cb=20100919200809)

Donnie Baseball has been the captain for the Empire for 4 seasons. How dare you! He was our MVP in season V when the Empire took it all. I'll get my picks in sooner or later this evening.

Darky may never recover from this

The Empire selects:

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/24/33/78/243378f2757736ceb76c813a3f4caa52.jpg)
SS Ozzie Smith

My next pick will come within the hour. Jack Clark looks so tempting until I look at his stats from all the seasons - same for Armas. Maybe the Empire can be like the Raiders and Patriots where we take the players that nobody wants and then those players resurrect their careers! Well, no.

i knew mattingly wouldnt get back to me

The Empire will be able to turn around Jack Clark. His agent has reached out to the Empire and expressed that Jack Clark has a strong desire to join the Empire and the brand that the Empire is. The Empire selects Jack Clark.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0f/c1/39/0fc139cc8a61834fdcd9139facf6b75c--st-cardinals-cardinals-baseball.jpg)

Hard to believe ricky Henderson is still available

way to keep up the pace, tempo!!

Quote from: nomaaa on 07/12/18, 07:24:29 AM
way to keep up the pace, tempo!!

He still needs to update the draft picks, so don't stress him so much.

it's a play on words

C TIM LAUDNER

Had my eye on Laudner.  But fk-it - let's do this:


Tony Armas

Fourth round is quality value for Armas

He was immensely shitty last season.  I guess it all has to do with how much you trust that sampling of data.

Relying on last year's stats is the best way to lose in fantasy sports.  You did good, trust me...

Tempo, were you considering Armas for your pick?  I was waffling between him and the Laundromat.

Quote from: GDavis on 07/12/18, 09:00:15 AM
Tempo, were you considering Armas for your pick?  I was waffling between him and the Laundromat.

He wasn't even on my board, but that's probably not surprising if you consider my strategy up to this point.

 :o

he was on mine, gdavis, he was on mine...

i'll make a selection in a few minutes

Quote from: Mike D. on 07/12/18, 09:13:28 AM
If he were black we could call him Tony Armless HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

C Matt Nokes

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/matt-nokes-of-the-detroit-tigers-looks-on-from-the-dugout-prior-to-picture-id598210996?s=612x612)

Nokes was great for me last year.  Good pick.

Shooty, I'd like to get your take on both of Darky's picks at the turn.

awesome

Quote from: GDavis on 07/12/18, 09:22:51 AM
Shooty, I'd like to get your take on both of Darky's picks at the turn.

Both are fairly terrible.  Ozzie Smith is both bad from an attributes standard and hit under .500 last season.  Speed is exponentially more important in fantasy RBI compared to regular RBI, but not that much. 

For Jack Clark, I agree with Gantry that you can't rely too much on last year's stats, but holy shit he was a pile of flaming excrement.  He hit .361.  If you factored in how many double plays he hit into, it was probably more like .250. 

I guess what I don't get is the combination of the two picks.  With Ozzie, it seems like Darky values the speed guys that won't get out on the basepaths.  Then he negates that with shitpile Clark.

Ozzie is a weapon. He helped the Empire win a championship. He's a run generator and always hits around .500. He was the best available SS left and his pick was a popular one with our fanbase! JClark is gonna hit bombs this year, he's done it before in other seasons, just not last season in which the talent was more condensed due to only 8 teams in the league. Last year's stats vary considerably compared to the seasons I ran with 10 teams.

Armas fell a helluva long way. Great value there imo.

Ozzie was also a part of last season's champions: The Easy Listeners 👍

Quote from: Darky on 07/12/18, 09:55:42 AM
Ozzie is a weapon. He helped the Empire win a championship. He's a run generator and always hits around .500. He was the best available SS left and his pick was a popular one with our fanbase! JClark is gonna hit bombs this year, he's done it before in other seasons, just not last season in which the talent was more condensed due to only 8 teams in the league. Last year's stats vary considerably compared to the seasons I ran with 10 teams.

This does not seem like good logic as to why he sucked last year.

He was playing against better competition!

Clearly Jack Clark sucked last year because he is a true patriot and couldn't stand playing for a Canadian owned team.

haha, Shooty is still bitter about Clark's absence for him last season!

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/12/18, 10:00:48 AM
Ozzie was also a part of last season's champions: The Easy Listeners 👍

Great leadership on the field and in the clubhouse.

I will continue the run on catchers by taking Rich Gedman.

Shit, wanted Gedman.

I'll take Rupert Jones.

THERE WE FUCKING GO

Trust me on this, always bat Ruppert Jones 6th.  Just do it and thank me later. 

Gantry, is it fair to say that you like my team best?

Yes, yes it is

I really hope that Darky drafts a druggie so that he can have a tandem labeled "Jack and coke."

Jeffrey "One Flap Down" Leonard, please.

3B Kevin "Cat Killer" Mitchell

By proxy, Stu takes OF Kirby Puckett

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/12/18, 03:42:22 PM
By proxy, Stu takes OF Kirby Puckett

???

William Harry Spilman 3B
Vincent Maurice Coleman OF

A bold move taking Coleman.....

Quote from: ryno on 07/12/18, 04:01:04 PM
William Harry Spilman 3B
Vincent Maurice Coleman OF

A bold move taking Coleman.....

??? ???

Isn't Spilman a 1B?

Page 1 lists him at 3B

Quote from: Nacho on 07/12/18, 04:20:18 PM
Isn't Spilman a 1B?

Tempo has him listed as a 3B on the first page. Ryno with some shocking picks ... I like the surprises. Same with Stu.

I would have guessed 1B too but in 1987, the year the Giants are represented in RBI, Spilman played the most games at 3B (10)  followed by 1B (9) and C (1)

He should have won the gold glove that year too

He's listed as 1B on the master list. Wonder if there are other discrepancies.

I used the position they played the most games at that season. Shaking things up a bit!

Quote from: Gantry on 07/12/18, 04:24:43 PM
I would have guessed 1B too but in 1987, the year the Giants are represented in RBI, Spilman played the most games at 3B (10)  followed by 1B (9) and C (1)

If you are using 1987 as a reference, Bill Madlock played 22 games at first base and 1 at third.  Yet Tempo has him listed as third base.

Quote from: Shooty on 07/12/18, 04:27:35 PM

Quote from: Gantry on 07/12/18, 04:24:43 PM
I would have guessed 1B too but in 1987, the year the Giants are represented in RBI, Spilman played the most games at 3B (10)  followed by 1B (9) and C (1)

If you are using 1987 as a reference, Bill Madlock played 22 games at first base and 1 at third.  Yet Tempo has him listed as third base.

HEY I MAKE MISTAKES TOO.  Just go with it

Do over!!!!

Do we have a proxy pick by Stu? Let's punch out some picks.

So Madlock is not 1B eligible?

Let's just leave Madlock there.  He's more interesting as a 3B anyhow.

Stu takes 3B George Brett

What position is the bat mobile?

Chilli fucking Davis

Wow great pick (from 3 rounds ago)

Quote from: GDavis on 07/12/18, 05:02:52 PM
Wow great pick (from 3 rounds ago)

Let's go easy on him.  Maybe Glen Davis fucks chili and this is the first we are hearing about it

Is Dawson taken?

Dwayne Evans

DwEvans fell a long way.

Candice Maldonado

i'm driving to virginia this morning for a bachelor party, so if someone could plz lemme know if y'all are waiting on me. ill be checking in when i can. just don't wanna be that guy

Quote from: nomaaa on 07/13/18, 05:31:52 AM
COME ON VIRGINIA, DON'T LET ME WAIT

Approved....

But he didn't say that....

Billy Joel did...

Since Madlock is mistakenly listed at 3b, I'll draft GDavis.

Wow, way to throw in that petty potshot at the commish...   

HE RUINED MY DRAFT!

If it makes you feel better, I was probably going to take Glen Davis

I kinda wanted another 1B, but I decided to do an experiment by going power over contact each time. So far I have a team that I kinda hate but we'll see how it pans out.

am i liable of getting skipped soon? who's up?

Quote from: nomaaa on 07/13/18, 11:00:06 AM
am i liable of getting skipped soon? who's up?

Technically, you are up since Beef's time slot has expired. So pick away I say!

Then again, he may have been confused or misunderstood the draft order today since Tempo, once again, failed to update the first page. I got my own sheet, but maybe other people don't. Tempo, c'mon man, let's get professional here.

nomaaa drafts at noon forum time. BeefMaster isn't on the clock for another 20 mins or so.

I had 10 beers, 5 shots of Malort, and some starhole blasting last night, so I'm a little slow. I'll update soon

:thumbsup:

oops, I was off by an hour with the time difference, my bad. No excuses Teacher! Is that what you teach your students! haha

Yes, I teach them about binge drinking and surprise anal

All is forgiven Sir Tempo.

I sent Beefy a Facebook message.  Does anyone have his phone number?  It's now noon, so Nomaaa can pick, but GDavis needs to wait until 12:30 or after Beefmaster picks, whichever comes first.

So much Malort...

Quote from: Gantry on 07/13/18, 12:03:28 PM
So much Malort...

Guy at the Cabin kept pouring us free shots.  It was nice of him and terrible of him at the same time.

Ahhhh the cabin, I barely go there and usually for a short amount of time, yet I feel like I get a free shot offer more than half the time. 

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/13/18, 12:00:27 PM
I sent Beefy a Facebook message.  Does anyone have his phone number?  It's now noon, so Nomaaa can pick, but GDavis needs to wait until 12:30 or after Beefmaster picks, whichever comes first.

Once someone misses their timeslot, why do we have to keep waiting in half hour increments?  Once Nomaaa picks, GDavis should be allowed to pick, no?

Bill Madlock 3B

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/c3/65/5ec3654dcfbc53b4e54b490e7917a833.jpg)

Sorry... had the day off work and haven't been checking Dee-Nee.  Will pick momentarily after seeing who's off the board.

Quote from: Shooty on 07/13/18, 12:15:10 PM

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/13/18, 12:00:27 PM
I sent Beefy a Facebook message.  Does anyone have his phone number?  It's now noon, so Nomaaa can pick, but GDavis needs to wait until 12:30 or after Beefmaster picks, whichever comes first.

Once someone misses their timeslot, why do we have to keep waiting in half hour increments?  Once Nomaaa picks, GDavis should be allowed to pick, no?

Quote from: TempoGL on 06/30/18, 06:39:04 PM
If the person in front of you has already picked, you are free to draft at your leisure.  However, no one can be skipped until their time has passed.  If you need to send out a proxy, PM me.

Grich

Keith Hernandez

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/13/18, 12:20:29 PM

Quote from: Shooty on 07/13/18, 12:15:10 PM

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/13/18, 12:00:27 PM
I sent Beefy a Facebook message.  Does anyone have his phone number?  It's now noon, so Nomaaa can pick, but GDavis needs to wait until 12:30 or after Beefmaster picks, whichever comes first.

Once someone misses their timeslot, why do we have to keep waiting in half hour increments?  Once Nomaaa picks, GDavis should be allowed to pick, no?

Quote from: TempoGL on 06/30/18, 06:39:04 PM
If the person in front of you has already picked, you are free to draft at your leisure.  However, no one can be skipped until their time has passed.  If you need to send out a proxy, PM me.

But Beefmaster had until noon to pick and he didn't.  So he was skipped.  You said GDavis had to wait until 12:30 or after Beefy picks.  My question is that once nomaaa picks, why would Beefy's actions then come back into play?  It should be irrelevant, no?

Hopefully we don't have to deal with it, but I would encourage people to wait if someone gets skipped, because with the breakneck pace that some of you like to draft, someone who has an unexpected emergency could easily find themselves getting screwed over after just a couple of hours.  There's no fire, so we should be decent to other participants.  imo

OF Chet Lemon

Lemon Party is a steal there.  Nice pick

There's a couple of other guys I put in the wrong spot - Lindeman at 1B when he should be OF and Larkin vice versa.  I'm just leaving it that way because people may have been planning around the way that they are listed, and that was the precedent with Madlock too.

It's not perfect, but the traditional positions were not necessarily 100% accurate either (see Harry Spillman), and at least they actually played those positions in their RBI year.

i think you're doing just fine. plus lemon was def a great pick


tho should i have waited longer?

I think it was OK.  I just don't want to see a situation where someone misses their pick and then six or seven guys are off the board by the time they even realize what hit them.

word up. that makes sense

The first of two picks.
OF Dwning

(https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/137/137-294Fr.jpg)

GOOD PICK

Quote from: Gantry on 07/13/18, 12:54:00 PM
I'M DOWN WITH THAT PICK

The Empire selects:

OF Guerro

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/bf/83/25bf83a327643d739346ebb3ef82653e.jpg)

SS Greg Gagne for me

Boone

Dave Henderson OF

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dave-henderson-of-the-boston-red-sox-poses-for-a-1987-season-portrait-picture-id50804418?k=6&m=50804418&s=612x612&w=0&h=Y4s1NWLM0Zm434rkvwfPlgRFztiqOxgrm6IeO7HBalc=)

Quote from: Donnie Moore on 07/13/18, 01:59:00 PM
TERRIBLE pick

So I had the last two rounds combined, because I swore that's how it was done last time.  That is not how it was done last time.  I'm inclined to separate them out into 16 distinct rounds now that I realize that.  Does anyone have a strong opinion either way?

I have a strong opinion that Tom Jones is superior to Neil Diamond. 

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/13/18, 02:12:29 PM
So I had the last two rounds combined, because I swore that's how it was done last time.  That is not how it was done last time.  I'm inclined to separate them out into 16 distinct rounds now that I realize that.  Does anyone have a strong opinion either way?

I say leave it as is.  Makes it go quicker and won't really impact the final results.

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/13/18, 02:12:29 PM
So I had the last two rounds combined, because I swore that's how it was done last time.  That is not how it was done last time.  I'm inclined to separate them out into 16 distinct rounds now that I realize that.  Does anyone have a strong opinion either way?

No way. It's never been done like that. This isn't a music song draft or movie draft where after the draft, there's nothing more. Doing that would favor the high draft choices once again and that's simply not fair to do that to speed up the draft - there is no rush. At that stage, or any stage for that matter, it just doesn't favor fairness to double up.

Quote from: Gantry on 07/13/18, 02:14:44 PM
I have a strong opinion that Tom Jones is superior to Neil Diamond.

Tom Jones does better work that Don McLean did with American Pie, but he still sucks.  MeTV FM plays Delilah like every single fkn day, and they are not a station known for repeats

Your opinion is incorrect sir...

My whole draft strategy was predicated around doubling up the last rounds.  TRAVESTY!

Just like the Madlock debacle, let it stand.

Quote from: Shooty on 07/13/18, 02:30:51 PM
My whole draft strategy was predicated around doubling up the last rounds.  TRAVESTY!

Just like the Madlock debacle, let it stand.

That's clearly not true, though.  Kind of like the concept that American Pie is a good song.  Or that Tom Jones isn't a third rate lounge singer.

Good call on fixing the last two rounds so those picks are isolated. Fighton initially made the same mistake last draft and then he used common sense to fix it. Why is Shooty so anxious to double up and yet, he says it doesn't make a difference, haha ... right.

I thought it was an apt comparison when Gantry compared Neil Diamond and Tom Jones to late round RBI picks.  Neither give you much to get excited about.

::)

I'll take Hendrick.

GOOD PICK

Yeah, that's the best value pick so far.

Wilfong

Interesting, so Wilfong will compete with Brookens at 3B! I wonder who wins that job!

If that is the plan, then you must have something up your sleeve! If you are going by the old spreadsheat we usually use, always check the first page with the updated positions Tempo style!

Bullet Bob Brenly, C

Nacho can re-pick if he wants.  I'm pausing the draft until he weighs on if he wants to keep Wilfong or not.

On second thought, I'm counting Wilfong as a 2B. He didn't even play 3rd at all in 1986 so there's zero reason to list him there.  That was just a clear typo/error on my part.

I've been looking at the master list and not the first page. If I have to re-pick I will but I'll keep wilfong at 2B if that is Strassy's final judgment.

I'm going with 2B Doran.  Hopefully he can keep up the pace from last year.

Doran was amazing for me last season.

Doran had a career year for sure and even if he doesn't produce like last year's anomaly, he'll still produce. He played for the Empire before and we only have good things to say about him! He's pretty consistent from all the seasons and really doesn't ever hit below .460. I almost took him with my last pick, but couldn't pass up on power.

If wilfong was a 2b I would have drafted him instead of coleman

But I'm not bitter.......if nacho beats me in the finals because of a wilfong walk off i will petition the league to put an asterisk in the record books.   Its only fair. 

ROB MOTHERFUCKING WILFONG

Quote from: Gantry on 07/13/18, 04:20:55 PM
ROB MOTHERFUCKING WILFONG

A Spilman / Wilfong infield are the things dreams are made of

I'd like to pick Julio "never say quit" Franco. 

by proxy, Ryno takes SS Craig Reynolds and C Alan Ashby

IT'S A HOUSTON RUN, PEOPLE

Mike Heath please

Mike Scott 

Rick "Burly Sack" Burleson

Dammit fighton.

Doc Gooden

May as well keep this moving a bit over the weekend... I'll round out my outfield with Pat Sheridan.

Quote from: BeefMaster on 07/14/18, 09:11:16 AM
PS, I Love U

Nolan Ryan P

Howard Johnson 3B

We will welcome P Roger Clemens back to the team. My first player that I had last season

The Empire selects:

2B Chris Speir
SP Jimmy Key

1B Jim Lindeman

I'll keep throwing down more Mets with Tim Teufel

Ryne Sandberg - 2B

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwIMJ81WEAA5BNZ.jpg)

Will you be bringing on his wife as well?

Quote from: Gantry on 07/16/18, 09:33:00 AM
Will you be bringing on your wife as well?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/df/f7/e3dff72311f97910ec0dd7862d41185b.jpg)

I'll fill out my starting lineup with Phil Garner.

Benito Santiago, assuming he's a C and not a RP or something...

Hur hur hur

Bret Saberhagen

Quote from: Nacho on 07/16/18, 11:22:07 AM
Benito Santiago, assuming he's a C and not a RP or something...

THE NEEDLING NEVER STOPS

Nacho and Tempo constantly cunting at each other is underrated shtick.  Sometimes I wonder whether they actually hate each other IRL.

Quote from: GDavis on 07/16/18, 12:40:53 PM
Nacho and Tempo constantly cunting at each other is underrated shtick.  Sometimes I wonder whether they actually hate each other IRL.

But the makeup sex is fantastic!

Quote from: Nacho on 07/16/18, 11:22:07 AM
Benito Santiago, assuming he's a C and not a RP or something...

On that subject, I was VERY close to taking Lindeman as my third outfielder before thankfully remembering to check the position list on this thread.

Quote from: GDavis on 07/16/18, 12:40:53 PM
Nacho and Tempo constantly cunting at each other is underrated shtick.  Sometimes I wonder whether they actually hate each other IRL.

I should retroactively make Wilfong a third baseman again.  But seriously, THIS DRAFT TOOK MORE THAN THIRTY SECONDS TO COMPLETE...HOW ARE WE EVEN ALIVE AT THIS POINT?  I THOUGHT WE WOULD DIE OF BOREDOM  8)

C Tony Pena

John Tudor

Fernando
Ojeda

sutcliff.  good times

SP Doyle Alexander

Tommy Himm/Herr 2B

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--gUGINmpb--/17iu88vurox0sjpg.jpg)

Davey Lopes

sweet music Frank Viola, SP

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Jack Morris P

Quote from: BeefMaster on 07/17/18, 07:25:12 AM
Davey Lopes

Damn you, Beefmaster, and your strategy of taking a PH before a pitcher!  Lopes was going to be a starter on my team...he's pissed at you for sure and will be tanking.

OF Lenny Dykstra

FYI, I was thinking about Lindeman this morning while walking my dog, and it occurred to me that I put him as a 1B because when I was a kid, that's what all of the baseball cards I had of him said he played (including his 1988 Donruss card).  I think it's tough to get information entrenched in your head 30 years ago out.  Same with Madlock, I knew as a kid that he had been a 3rd baseman, and he was a 1B mostly at the end as part of the "old guy doesn't have the range anymore" thing that happens to a lot of players.  So I made the list with a few assumptions in mind.  I hope the world can forgive me.

i selected Madlock last season with the intention of playing him at third until i saw he was a 1b. i always thought itd be nice to see him eligible at third, especially since he isn't a starter. but seeing how many games he played at third in 87, makes sense why we haven't seen it before

Darrell Evans played more career games at 3B than 1B

Quote from: GDavis on 07/17/18, 09:14:48 AM
Darrell Evans played more career games at 3B than 1B

This is true, but the difference is that Evans was still in the majors when I started paying attention to baseball, so I thought of him as the position he played at that time.  I got a 1987 Topps Bill Madlock card in one of those plastic cubes of random older cards that they used to sell at K-Mart.  My habit was to ask my dad about players I wasn't familiar with, and it's quite likely he told me that he was a third baseman.

I'm just saying there's a method to my madness (except Wilfong, that was just a mistake)

i own this card. did he move back to 3b after a failed experiment at first?

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41foeFdgiML.jpg)

Quote from: GDavis on 07/17/18, 09:14:48 AM
Darrell Evans played more career games at 3B than 1B

He taught to pull everything as I've said before when he was my hitting instructor in my first year in the Rockies farm system. (selections coming shortly)

dare pull evans

The Empire selects:

OF Danny Heep
RP Guillermo "Willie" Hernández Villanueva

Time to see if Mike Witt really is the shit

Bruce Hurst

Willie McGee, CF

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/17/sports/sports-of-the-times-cardinals-willie-mcgee-is-not-et.html (https://www.nytimes.com/1982/10/17/sports/sports-of-the-times-cardinals-willie-mcgee-is-not-et.html)

Sports of The Times; Cardinals' Willie McGee is Not 'E.T.'

FOR nearly six decades, the romance of the World Series for the St. Louis Cardinals has always glowed with some of baseball's most familiar nicknames. Bullet Bob Gibson. Stan The Man Musial. Country Slaughter. Harry The Cat Brecheen. Whitey Kurowski. Dizzy Dean. Pepper Martin. Ol' Pete Alexander. But a Cardinal in this World Series resents his nickname.

Willie McGee, the rookie center fielder who hit two homers in the Cardinals' 6-2 victory Friday night, does not want to be identified as ''E.T.,'' thank you.

''I appreciate people calling me by my name,'' Willie Dean McGee was saying, politely but firmly, at his locker in the Cardinals' clubhouse. ''People say things and I really don't like it.''

Not long after the June release of the motion picture ''E.T.,'' some opposing players began calling him ''E.T.'' after the fictional extraterrestrial visitor from another planet.

During the recent National League championship series, the television announcer Howard Cosell also used that nickname, to Willie McGee's dismay.

Many people who saw the movie thought E.T. to be a loveable creature. Rudy May, the New York Yankees' left-handed pitcher, enjoys being known as ''E.T.'' to his teammates but 23-year-old Willie McGee does not.

''Nobody should be able to change your name,'' he said. ''It's almost like changing your life.''

Willie McGee won't elaborate on his dislike for the nickname. Perhaps he thinks that it's a racial slur since E.T. is dark-skinned. Perhaps he's embarrassed because he has the hooded eyes and pinched nose similar to that of the little creature; he also wobbles when he walks, as E.T. does in the movie. Whatever the reason, Willie McGee is entitled to prefer his name to that nickname, even though he has virtually landed in the World Series from another planet.

Going into today's fifth game, Willie McGee has been the Cardinals' most productive hitter in their postseason games, despite having grounded into a double play that ended a potential rally in the eighth inning of their 7-5 loss yesterday. Over seven games, including the three-game sweep of the Atlanta Braves in the National League championship series, McGee has hit three homers, two triples, and two singles, driven in nine runs, scored eight and batted .291.

Willie McGee also has emerged as the final embarrassment for the Yankees this season. He is another of the many prospects deemed expendable by George Steinbrenner and the principal owner's ''baseball people,'' his advisers in the Yankee organization. During last year's World Series, the Yankees traded Willie McGee, who had batted .322 at their Nashville farm team in the Class AA Southern League, to the Cardinals for Bob Sykes, a left-handed pitcher with an ailing arm.

According to Bill Bergesch, the Yankees' vice president for player personnel, Willie McGee's departure has to be traced to the signing of Dave Winfield as a free agent late in 1980 to a projected 10-year, $23 million contract.

''When we signed Winfield, somebody had to come off our 40-man roster to make room for him,'' Bill Bergesch explained. ''It was between McGee and another player I won't mention. We decided to outright McGee to our Columbus farm team, which meant he was a 'frozen' player - he couldn't be reacquired by us without going through major-league waivers.''

The other Yankee farmhand under discussion was Ted Wilborn, an outfielder-infielder later dealt to the San Francisco Giants in the trade for the pitcher Doyle Alexander.

''McGee couldn't make our Columbus team in spring training a year ago, so we sent him to Nashville, where he had a good year,'' Bill Bergesch said. ''But we knew that if we tried to get him back through waivers, we'd probably lose him for $20,000 so we decided to try to trade him. That way at least we would get a player for him, so I phoned Joe McDonald, now the Cardinals' general manager.''

Willie McGee was mentioned to at least one other National League club, the San Diego Padres, who spurned him. When the Cardinals offered Bob Sykes, the Yankees agreed. Bob Sykes, meanwhile, drifted to Columbus and then to Nashville during the recent season.

But if you've ever wondered why baseball players resent the way they're sometimes treated as if they were slabs of meat, or wondered why they look forward to the opportunity of being a free agent, consider how Willie McGee learned he had been traded.

''I picked up the paper one day at home,'' he said, referring to Richmond, Calif., ''and read about it in 'transactions.' The Yankees never called me. The Cardinals never called me. After two weeks of not hearing from either of 'em, I finally called the Cardinals.''

Willie McGee was inspected in spring training this year, but the Cardinals shipped him to their Louisville, Ky., farm team in the American Association. He was batting .291 in May when the Cardinals promoted him; their center fielder, David Green, had been put on the disabled list with a pulled hamstring muscle. By the time David Green was healthy, Willie McGee had taken his job, finishing the season with a .296 average, 56 runs batted in and 24 stolen bases, but only four homers.

''In the Yankee organization, we were always told that if you were good enough, you'd make it,'' Willie McGee was saying now. ''But everybody knew that getting traded somewhere else was your best bet because the Yankees sign free agents instead of going with young players.''

Ironically, when Willie McGee hit two homers Friday night, he was only the third rookie to accomplish that in a World Series game. The other two were rookies the Yankee organization of those eras had developed and promoted - Tony Kubek right here against the Milwaukee Braves in 1957, and Charley Keller against the Cincinnati Reds in 1939.

In that four-game sweep, Charley Keller had perhaps the best World Series a rookie hitter ever had - three homers, a triple, a double and two singles for a .438 average, eight runs scored and six runs batted in.

When that World Series ended, some people were suggesting, ''Break up the Yankees'' but one Cincinnati loyalist shrugged and said, ''Just break up Keller.'' Charley Keller had a nickname that he might have resented. Instead, he relished it: King Kong.

But no nicknames for Willie McGee, please. At least not ''E.T.''

Quote from: Darky on 07/17/18, 09:29:23 AM

Quote from: GDavis on 07/17/18, 09:14:48 AM
Darrell Evans played more career games at 3B than 1B

He taught to pull everything as I've said before when he was my hitting instructor in my first year in the Rockies farm system.

Was that good advice?

Quote from: nomaaa on 07/17/18, 10:31:08 AM
Willie McGee, CF

Strassy, you have this listed as GDavis' pick on the main draft list, I think.

Yeah, Beefy is up, right?

Ah, I didn't the posts ahead of the article.  They were obscured by the sad tale of E.T McGee, so I assumed that was GDavis' way of saying he picked him

Beefmaster is up

Quote from: BeefMaster on 07/17/18, 11:14:51 AM

Quote from: Darky on 07/17/18, 09:29:23 AM

Quote from: GDavis on 07/17/18, 09:14:48 AM
Darrell Evans played more career games at 3B than 1B

He taught to pull everything as I've said before when he was my hitting instructor in my first year in the Rockies farm system.

Was that good advice?

I did learn some drills to help me pull the ball better, but a sheer pull philosophy was just not suited for me since I used the entire field and was bred to look middle-out and look to hit up the middle and react on pitches in. Evans preached to look for all balls from the middle of the plate to the inside of the black on your hitting side (middle-in). I remember a player wondering how he would reach the ball since he would bat off the plate a bit. Evans told him to crowd the plate so that every pitch would appear middle-in, haha. The tee drill and soft toss drills that Evans taught were effective as far as turning on balls that were jammed right in your kitchen. Imagine this, as a lefthand hitter, the tee would be placed way off the right of my right hip and the same would flip balls coming right at my right hip and to the right of it.

John Blank Morris

That's Blank to you, sir...

Roger McDowell

Quote from: Gantry on 07/17/18, 01:28:01 PM
That's Blank to you, sir...

Fixed.

Dee-Nee legend Danny Cox

THAT'S MY FRIEND!!!!!

SS Dickie Thon(g)

I had a plan to take Dickie as a PH next round if neither or the two teams that still need an SS took him as part of a nefarious plot to force someone into using either Spike Owen or Al Pedrique as their SS

Randolph, por favor

Got a proxy via text from Ryno

2B Robbie Thompson
3B Terry Pendleton

Gwynn

Beefmaster's strategy of ignoring starting pitching is interesting.  He's only got three choices left.  I've often wondered how different computer pitchers really are, so this could work out in his favor or work against him.

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/17/18, 05:28:28 PM
Beefmaster's strategy of ignoring starting pitching is interesting.  He's only got three choices left.  I've often wondering how different computer pitchers really are, so this could work out in his favor or work against him.

It's a sound strategy imo. Beef has come out in this draft with a clear strategy and he's done it before in previous drafts. Shoot for power and beef up the bench and hope the pitchers he's left with do just enough to keep the score down. After about 2-3 SP's, it's really a crapshoot with the rest of the pitchers and there's not really a huge drop off in ERA judging by the historical stats I have from all the fantasy seasons played. Gooden is the one who is usually consistent in ERA, but last year he wasn't. So that's that. I wish I had a clear strategy before the draft. I winged it at first, then sorta go into it after my dumb pick of OSmith. That was nomaaa's fault though because he took the heart and soul from the Empire when he took Donnie Baseball.

This is of course dependent on it working out properly, but I think the best place to pick is in the middle (picks 4-6).  You can exploit the rosters of the other teams in the middle rounds by looking at what positions they have/have not picked relative to your team.  I've been able to do that on a much smaller scale, but I think the opportunities are greater when there's a balanced number of teams picking both before you and after you.

Quote from: Gantry on 07/17/18, 03:12:24 PM
THAT'S MY FRIEND!!!!!

I met him once...

And we'll see a newcomer to the starting lineup this year with Danny Heep. He may surprise some people imo! The Empire is expecting for him to hit just above .500 with 5-7 jacks in the 18-game season. We ran some simulations and for some reason, he can flat out rake for a guy with a 20 contact and 807 power. He may be this year's Doran.

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/17/18, 05:39:01 PM
This is of course dependent on it working out properly, but I think the best place to pick is in the middle (picks 4-6).  You can exploit the rosters of the other teams in the middle rounds by looking at what positions they have/have not picked relative to your team.  I've been able to do that on a much smaller scale, but I think the opportunities are greater when there's a balanced number of teams picking both before you and after you.

That can be true, but so many other factors are in play. Such as mistake choices by some owners and overvaluing/undervaluing some players. I pretty much agree though if you are picking in the middle and make good choices. I think when you try and project too much and then that owner throws a curve selection, it can lead to mistakes if you get too far ahead. I was going to take Lindeman before your next pick back in the earlier round so he could compete with Clark and to cripple you, but then that would have been lame because I couldn't afford to do that. Generally, I pretty much just go with the player that fits the kind of team I want with a clear identity - that's when I had my better drafts. Also, early round owners are still at a huge advantage. You can get away with a lot of stuff if you have players like Bell, Dawson, McGwire and Canseco...then you can afford to grab an elite SP earlier in the draft. I believe in the finals in most of the fantasy seasons, you'll find either Bell or Dawson in the lineup and you'll always see Gooden in the playoffs.

This draft I drafted last and last season I drafted next to last. That's some bs. I think next fantasy draft, the draft needs to go live and that the commissioner pulls names from a hat on live video since sticking me in the next to last or last round is some kind of trend. 

I sure didn't stick you at the end through any shenangians, and look where I ended up.  Not any better imo.

I thought about doing a live video, but it's not until I'm typing this now that I realize that the results are not easy to manipulate.

All cool. haha, I'm just a little upset with myself for taking OSmith so early. Oh well, I just wasn't really into the draft and did no homework before then came out with no plan other than not getting stuck with a shit C and 3B like I did last year ... and getting Donnie Baseball. Actually, me and Nacho/Mike D picked 9th and 10th respectively in FRBI season V, and we ended up in the finals, but then both of us came out on the better end of 3-way trades with Ryno, haha! Back to pitching, really weird how so many pitchers vary from season to season. And based on some simulations I've ran, as well as accounting for past seasons, there is some glitch with Jack Clark. A guy with his power and contact rating should be producing way more. I think he's has one really good season from what I've seen in the stats I have from past seasons. Then again, with some work in the cage, the Empire will make him come out big this year  ::)

Would be interesting to see  how many RBI rings Dawson has.  Or see if any particular players end  on championship teams. 

Also I'm putting  the league on notice.....the cops are open for business when trades are open. 

I think we should have a no-trade policy to prevent some teams from fleecing Darky others.

I'm on board with a no trade policy. Darky nearly single handedly fucked up the league last year.

I'll start a puhl once the draft is done.

Bade Woggs

Trades are fun. 

Trades are fine with the commissioner's approval. I'd suggest to have a small window for trades. For example, if it's a 18-game season, then allow trades from weeks 9-10 and that's it. That's how ran the trades when I was commissioner for a couple of seasons.

And Tempo, are you all set as far as the know how to the rom to recording games and stats? SP's alternate as how it's been the past 3 seasons.

Quote from: Nacho on 07/17/18, 07:56:14 PM
I think we should have a no-trade policy to prevent some teams from fleecing Darky others.

I simply handicapped my team to make the league more fun! Besides, I gave you those gifts and sent your team to the playoffs with the players you got from me! Man, I had a good team actually before those trades. Nomaaa's fault once again!

Quote from: Darky on 07/17/18, 05:37:10 PM

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/17/18, 05:28:28 PM
Beefmaster's strategy of ignoring starting pitching is interesting.  He's only got three choices left.  I've often wondering how different computer pitchers really are, so this could work out in his favor or work against him.

It's a sound strategy imo. Beef has come out in this draft with a clear strategy and he's done it before in previous drafts. Shoot for power and beef up the bench and hope the pitchers he's left with do just enough to keep the score down. After about 2-3 SP's, it's really a crapshoot with the rest of the pitchers and there's not really a huge drop off in ERA judging by the historical stats I have from all the fantasy seasons played. Gooden is the one who is usually consistent in ERA, but last year he wasn't. So that's that.

My thought is that we still don't really know how (or even IF) pitchers' ratings make a difference in a CPU vs. CPU game, while we know EXACTLY how hitters' ratings make a difference.  I'd rather spend my more-valuable picks on things I know are useful rather than hoping that Dwight Gooden recreates a successful run that we have absolutely no non-luck-based explanation for.

I think I agree with Beefy for the most part, with two exceptions. 

1) I don't like to draft a pitcher with low stamina.  Some of these CPU vs CPU games become slugfests.  If a pitcher starts tiring in the third inning, it can get ugly.
2) I value guys that throw sinkers, specifically Mike Scott.  They seem to get more K's.  Less balls in play, less damage. 

Kevin "Large Mouth" Bass

Garrelts

Yngbld, who I believe is the last 800+ power guy left on the board.

Quote from: Shooty on 07/18/18, 07:46:11 AM
I think I agree with Beefy for the most part, with two exceptions. 

1) I don't like to draft a pitcher with low stamina.  Some of these CPU vs CPU games become slugfests.  If a pitcher starts tiring in the third inning, it can get ugly.
2) I value guys that throw sinkers, specifically Mike Scott.  They seem to get more K's.  Less balls in play, less damage. 

I'm generally on board with that, but here are my counterarguments:

1) There are only a few pitchers with extra stamina (and no starters with lower than average).  I'm very hesitant to sacrifice a lineup spot to reach for one of them.

2) I have wanted to believe that since we started doing these leagues, but I'm pretty sure Scott's actual results haven't been appreciably better than anyone else's.

If Beefy ends up in a doubleheader, does Youngblood get to play for his opponents team in game 2?

Quote from: BeefMaster on 07/18/18, 11:35:15 AM

Quote from: Shooty on 07/18/18, 07:46:11 AM
I think I agree with Beefy for the most part, with two exceptions. 

1) I don't like to draft a pitcher with low stamina.  Some of these CPU vs CPU games become slugfests.  If a pitcher starts tiring in the third inning, it can get ugly.
2) I value guys that throw sinkers, specifically Mike Scott.  They seem to get more K's.  Less balls in play, less damage. 

I'm generally on board with that, but here are my counterarguments:

1) There are only a few pitchers with extra stamina (and no starters with lower than average).  I'm very hesitant to sacrifice a lineup spot to reach for one of them.

2) I have wanted to believe that since we started doing these leagues, but I'm pretty sure Scott's actual results haven't been appreciably better than anyone else's.

If there are varying stamina ratings, by definition, some must be below average

PEDANTRY'D!

What if you are calculating by average by mode, as opposed to median or mean? 

Quote from: Gantry on 07/18/18, 11:53:15 AM
What if you are calculating by average by mode, as opposed to median or mean?

Let's get real, nobody ever does that unless explicitly stated

:popcorncat:

Beefy has always struck me as a mode guy, in fact his high school band was called Mode 7 - named after the SNES graphics system. 

Counter punch!

I'm going against all of the logic of my previous drafts in prioritizing pitching and power at the expense of speed, contact, and a bench. We'll see how it plays out but I'm not optimistic.

Looking at the numbers in previous years, it does appear that some pitchers routinely fare better than others, though it also seems to me that every pitcher is susceptible to a random bad season. I think Shooty is right that sinkerballers generally tend to fare better whereas from what I can tell curve has little to do with CPU v CPU pitcher success. That said, sinker ability doesn't seem to be the only thing that matters, as some sinkerballers seem to routinely do better than others.

HOT TAKE:  Pilotwings was boring.  I mean, look at this immersive gameplay.  So much waiting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y51i_v7F5ek

Oh yeah, it sucked.  Just a way to show off the new graphics...

1986 World Series MVP Ray Knight

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Billy Hatcher OF

OF Mookie Wilson

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/18/18, 11:48:29 AM

Quote from: BeefMaster on 07/18/18, 11:35:15 AM

Quote from: Shooty on 07/18/18, 07:46:11 AM
I think I agree with Beefy for the most part, with two exceptions. 

1) I don't like to draft a pitcher with low stamina.  Some of these CPU vs CPU games become slugfests.  If a pitcher starts tiring in the third inning, it can get ugly.
2) I value guys that throw sinkers, specifically Mike Scott.  They seem to get more K's.  Less balls in play, less damage. 

I'm generally on board with that, but here are my counterarguments:

1) There are only a few pitchers with extra stamina (and no starters with lower than average).  I'm very hesitant to sacrifice a lineup spot to reach for one of them.

2) I have wanted to believe that since we started doing these leagues, but I'm pretty sure Scott's actual results haven't been appreciably better than anyone else's.

If there are varying stamina ratings, by definition, some must be below average

PEDANTRY'D!

Your pedantry is accurate, although what I was attempting to refer to was the baseline/median - no starting pitcher has less than 40 stamina, and only six or seven have more than that.

RP Juan Berenger
SP Mike Krukow

P Charlie Kerfeld

Pettis

The Krukow pick is interesting, because there are only 3 pitchers left.  Darky must think that there's some value of Krukow over Reuschel/Sutton.

Steve Bedrosian RP

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Quote from: GDavis on 07/18/18, 02:02:48 PM
The Krukow pick is interesting, because there are only 3 pitchers left.  Darky must think that there's some value of Krukow over Reuschel/Sutton.

I just don't want to get stuck with Big Daddy. He can give up huge innings and it can happen often. I can trust Sutton, but call it a hunch with Krukow. Besides, he covered Giants games for a while and I think he still does for the local station in the Bay Area.

Baines
BAINES
BAINES!!!

Kruk

Kruk really got jobbed in his ratings.  20 HRs and a power rating of 777.  Meanwhile you have Brookens with 13 HRs and an 897 rating.  Gibson, Ruppert Jones and Rice all have 20 HRs or less and a power rating north of 890.

He has plus speed, though. I was surprised to read that he had 18 SBs in 1987. Also that he started his career at age 25 and didn't land in Philly until he was 28 or so.

Tom "Terminator" Henke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp3tZHgULNk

He also has just 1 testicle when most men have 2.

Henke is solid - was hoping he'd make it back around

RP Jesse Orosco

john franco

Ryno takes 1B Bill Buckner and RP Dave Righetti

Molitor

RP Jeff Reardon

Terry Puhl

JCruz

Bob Stanley

"Caveman" Don Robinson, RP

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Corbet

OF Randy Bush

Quote from: GDavis on 07/02/18, 07:41:59 PM

Quote from: Gantry on 07/02/18, 07:33:55 PM
Some really good players still left

Corbet still on the board

Quote from: GDavis on 07/19/18, 06:29:27 AM
Corbet

That was impressively done.

Can't believe he lasted that long!

Bench

1B Bergmn
2B Lmbrdz

SS Jose Uribe

Dan Gladden

Quote from: GDavis on 07/19/18, 11:18:58 AM
Dan Gladden

That's who I was going to take, but I figured the competitive advantage created in the two games in which I will face Nacho with either Spike Owen or Al Pedrique as his starting shortstop was a greater benefit than a marginally better third pinch hitter.  The rest of you are welcome

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/19/18, 11:24:17 AM

Quote from: GDavis on 07/19/18, 11:18:58 AM
Dan Gladden

That's who I was going to take, but I figured the competitive advantage created in the two games in which I will face Nacho with either Spike Owen or Al Pedrique as his starting shortstop was a greater benefit than a marginally better third pinch hitter.  The rest of you are welcome

But if he takes them both he can platoon them for maximum value.

What if they both get drafted before he's up and he gets Rafael Santana?  There goes the whole plan!

I can start Owen against righties and Pedrique against lefties and easily cruise to a FRBI championship.  8)

Spike is a good luck charm. His clubhouse moxie is what I credit for getting the Easy Listeners the championship last year.

Raphael Santana would easily be in an RBI-TMNT team.  I'd also add

- Donatello Baylor (or Mattingly)
- Michealangelo Witt
- Jeffery Leonardo

Master (Harry) Spilinter(man)

RockstGaetti
Ruppert (Casey) Jones
Steve Shredderdrosian

Tempo - what would you do if we all drafted the remaining shortstops before Nacho picked one.  Do you have a contingency plan?

I'd assume that once only one remains, nobody is allowed to draft that player.

I'd like to see a future iteration of a FRBI draft where we are allowed to place players out of position, but face a defense penalty (make your team more prone to BOPs).

Mike Aldrete

(https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/101788/101788-14353235Fr.jpg)

I'll take Eric "Burger" King.

I'm gonna be out of town tomorrow, but there are only two starting pitchers left on the board, so those picks are already decided (I'll say Sutton then Reuschel).  I'll go ahead and finalize my lineup on the other thread.

Don't mention I drafted players kthx

Sullivan

wow!  Somebody please get on board with this drafting Owen and Pedrique idea with me!

Donnie "Dead" Moore

Galarraga

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/19/18, 02:36:26 PM
wow!  Somebody please get on board with this drafting Owen and Pedrique idea with me!

I will take one with my next pick.  Need someone else to take the plunge. 

Team rosters are now listed in the rosters thread (strange, I know).  The original post exceeded 10,000 (or maybe 100,000?) characters, so I had to split it up.

Quote from: Nacho on 07/19/18, 02:19:25 PM
Sullivan

Remember Sully, when I promised to draft you last?  I lied.

Lake!! He rules

Ryno texted me:

Roy Smalley
Ken Dayley

Worrel it is.

Owen

Larry Herndon

Quote from: fightonusc on 07/19/18, 06:54:39 PM
Larry Herndon

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Joke's on you guys. I get Pedrique. [emoji41]

Quote from: TempoGL on 07/19/18, 06:55:47 PM

Quote from: fightonusc on 07/19/18, 06:54:39 PM
Larry Herndon

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dumb mother fucker

Gene "Dee Nee" Larkin 1B

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Calvin Schiraldi

3B Kevin Seitzer

OF Ford
3B Barret

Smalley

Rock Schroeder baby

Quote from: GDavis on 07/20/18, 04:32:09 PM
Smalley

Ryno already chose Smalley

Mazzili

Remaining Players:

Backman
Walling
Santana
Davidson
Oquendo

Walling

Think I'm past my pick time. Oquendo i guess.

I think it's my turn. Davidson.

There aren't turns anymore. Everyone just has to make a final pick because we are past the draft clock.

Stu wants Backman, so Ryno gets Rafael.  We're done!

Did I win?

Quote from: Nacho on 07/23/18, 11:08:44 AM
Did I win?

I'll trade you Mazilli for Walling