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I just spent some time working on the White Sox roster for the 2005 version of RBI.  I saved my work as "2005 working ROM" on nightwulf's editor, so hopefully we can continue editing this ROM as more teams are added to the mix.  here's what I came up for the White Sox.  feel free to advise on necessary ratings changes, especially when it comes to pitching, I felt pretty lost there.

Data for team 1 (ChicagoSox):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Pdsdnk LHB .293  0  11   732 148
02 Iguchi RHB .278 15  16   788 142
03 Knerko RHB .283 40  15   930 120
04 Dye    RHB .271 30  18   904 134
05 Rowand RHB .271 13  17   861 138
06 Pznski LHB .256 18  20   867 124
07 Crede  RHB .252 22  18   872 128
08 Uribe  RHB .254 16  22   848 128
=======================================
09 Ozuna  RHB .276  0  16   735 144
10 Harris LHB .258  1  18   755 144
11 Evrett LHB .250 23  20   882 128
12 Perez  LHB .219  2  30   782 134

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Burhle LHP 3.12   5  8 10 158 174 190  50 115 140
02 Garlnd RHP 3.50   6  8  5 162 178 188  44 113 143
03 Cotts  LHP 1.94   7  9  6 162 178 200  15 114 142
04 Hrmnsn RHP 2.04   8 10  7 156 172 184  15 116 139

also, are we going to make all star teams, or use two teams that didn't make the postseason - maybe some combination of Indians, A's, Phillies (teams that came close to the posteason) or maybe just popular teams that suck, like the Cubs.

I added a puhl.  If you want to vote for "other", post what you what "other" to be, and I will add it to the puhl.

2 things to note. 

1. Nate Nate Nate's wife just had a baby.

2. His newborn baby told him, to tell me, to tell yall that the Cubs need to be on that there RBI 2k5 game.  Talking babies anyways!

i dont really care i guess...an all star team is still gonna have Dee-Lee on it.  ask Ryno about it.

I'd personally prefer two all star teams.

(Well, personally I'd prefer the D-Rays and Brew Crew, but I doubt many would agree on that).

We need a poll.

one more thing....on da phone yesterday, joe dirt eluded to but did not exactly say in so many werds that he might once again head up this "rom onto a cart" project.

so yes attez, a puhl is in order.

I'm at work on the Yanks right now, I'm trying to base it as much on my own knowledge as on comparisons to Strassy's ChiSox ratings.

I knew I should have left my Neyer/James Pitcher's Guide in my car!!

puhl added.  I voted for the Royals (maybe Cubs as the second team, although I would also prefer to see the Brewers)

my reasoning for this is that playing as the Royals could provide a serious challenge to a seasoned player against a new player.  also, if you are playing a peer of your's, you could taunt them by selecting the Royals (and possibly winning)

For the Yankees I put together...

Data for team 1 (Yankees):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Jeter     RHB .309 19  11   800  144
02 Ardrgz RHB .321 48  8    965  142
03 Giambi LHB .271 32  16  945  118
04 Shfld   RHB .291 34  14   955  138
05 Matsui LHB .305 23  12  855 126
06 Posada LHB .262 19 24   825 122
07 Wllms  LHB .249 12  28  810  132
08 RCano  RHB .297 14  16  830 130
=======================================
09 Sierra LHB    .229  4  24     810  124
10 Mrtnez  LHB .241 17 20    814  120
11 Lawton LHB .254 13 18    824   144
12 Womack LHB .249 0 18    760   144


                 <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Jhnson LHP 3.79  3    8 8    175 190 210  50 115 140
02 Mssina RHP 4.41  5  10 9   162 178 190  40 113 143
03 Gordn  RHP 2.57   7  9  6    162 185 200  17 114 142
04 Rivera  RHP 1.38 4  8  8     180 192 214  19 116 139

I'd vote D-Rays if it was an option, I think the D-Rays would give 2005 RBI a team very similar to Saint Louis (and I know there are a bunch who love St. Loius, myself included). They're fast, got a bit of power in the middle (Cantu/Huff) and have a pitcher similar to Tudor in Scott Kazmir, not to mention a lights out closer in Danys Baez (who also has a masters degree in physics).

Comments on both teams...

My rough original baselines for 2k5 (adjusted based on OBP, what I knew of the player, SLG, and AB - no explicit formula was used, and speed was based on my knowledge of the player, with a glance at SB and 3B numbers, including minor-league, if I was unfamiliar):

Cnt
.300 ~ 10
.275 ~ 20
.250 ~ 25-30

Pwr
10 HR ~ 800
20 HR ~ 850
30 HR ~ 875
40 HR ~ 900+

Sox: I like your ratings, especially the speed ones.  I'd up the contact ratings a bit on some of the players and lower some of the power numbers - seems like a lot of 800+ and 850+ guys, considering their homerun totals.

Yanks: The power numbers for the 3-5 batters seem really high, especially for Sheffield and Giambi (I'd probably go with something like 940, 885, 895).  Lawton and Sheffield's speed values seem high to me, but I admittedly haven't watched the Yankees much this season, so I don't know how much they were running.  Oh, and Womack is too good (apart from his speed).  They guy may have been the worst non-Guzman in the majors this year, and you have him better than Julio Franco.  I'd also lower the screwball values for some of the pitchers - 8/8 CL/CR seems a bit unrealistic for a pitcher who doesn't actually throw a screwball (not that I think Mo's too good - he deserves to be as good as you can make him).

Good job so far.

I would really like for the A's to be included but I would understand if people voted otherwise.  I probably would not get it if the A's were not in there. 

Quote from: BeefMaster on 10/03/05, 08:36:41 AM

Pwr
10 HR ~ 800
20 HR ~ 850
30 HR ~ 875
40 HR ~ 900+

Sox: I like your ratings, especially the speed ones. I'd up the contact ratings a bit on some of the players and lower some of the power numbers - seems like a lot of 800+ and 850+ guys, considering their homerun totals.

I agree that the White Sox have too much power (Uribe is too high for sure, also AJ, Rowand, Creded should all be lower (probably Pods also).  

Beef's chart should refer to players that played a full season, not to PH and the like, I don't think Lawton should have more power than Sierra, but Sierra's contact needs to be way higher.

As far as pitchers, it's tough to give Randy Johnson and Mo Rivera an advantage if you go based on how they throw. If it was based truly on their pitch selection Randy Johnson would have almost no CrvR, and more CrvL, but still very little curve and it would make him no better than Berenger, same for Rivera, since he only really uses a cutter/fastball combo, he'd be almost the same as Berenger, and pretty easy to hit. I'd be in favor of changing Johnson to a side armer and dropping his curve ratings (or, whatever everyone else wants to do) to express how dominant he can be (which, you can make a case for making him not nearly as good as he would have been on a 2004 ROM).

As for power numbers, Giambi is most likely a bit skewed because of his dominance in the past month (plus when I saw him at Camden Yards Friday he hit the longest HR I've ever seen, almost hit the warehouse). Sheffield however, I think is fairly accurate, he's got the most power on the team (in my opinion), and when he gets ahold of one it's usually to or over the wall. But again, these are just my opinions and I'm not dead set one way or the other, more just trying to get the ball rolling.

I'll see if I can get OctoFranco to come do the Braves, since he listens or watches at least 140 Braves games a year.

after looking at more ratings, i agree with what beefy said on the white sox.  i have to go to work soon, but can (and hopefully will) work on modifying those ratings tonight when i get home.  good to see the wheels turning on this project.  in the next few days, I may try and work on some of the teams that don't really have a dee-nee fan base (padres?)

Quote from: ultimate7 on 10/03/05, 08:43:11 AM
Beef's chart should refer to players that played a full season, not to PH and the like, I don't think Lawton should have more power than Sierra, but Sierra's contact needs to be way higher.

I half-typed a response that made that part clear earlier but accidentally hit the back button and lost it.  That explains why, for example, in the original ROM Justin Morneau has 40-homer pop despite only 19 homers - he hit those 19 in a half-season.  If only I'd known that the other half was only worth 3...

Data for team 3 (Atlanta):
No  Name    R/L   Avg  HR  Cnt Pwr  Spd
=======================================

01 Furcal   LHB  .284  12  18  795  146
02 Giles    RHB  .291  15  18  834  138
03 CJones   LHB  .296  21  16  895  132
04 AJones   RHB  .263  51  24  955  130
05 LaRche   LHB  .259  20  27  851  124
06 Fnceur   RHB  .300  14  12  867  134
07 Lngrhs   LHB  .267  8   22  835  128
08 Estrda   LHB  .261  4   25  810  120

=======================================

09 Orr      LHB  .300  1   14  744  143
10 KJhnsn   LHB  .244  9   30  825  130
11 McCann   LHB  .278  5   20  820  124
12 Franco   RHB  .275  9   20  833  132


Pitcher edit (10-12-05):

No  Name    R/L  ERA   Sf   Sr   Ss  Cl  Cr  Dr  En
======================================================

01 Smoltz   RHP  3.06  204  188  153  10  6  10  50
02 Hudson   RHP  3.52  194  168  147  8   7  6   50
03 Ritsma   RHP  3.93  190  164  145  7   5  7   15
04 Fnswth   RHP  1.98  208  177  173  5   3  4   15




I tried to be honest with these guys, and frankly they just come out sucking.  Not one individual stat of any player on the Braves (other than AJones) is impressive.  The problem with the Braves is that clutch hitting, good fundamentals, and team chemistry can't factor into their RBI version...  For the record, I also factored strikeouts into the contact rating.

Pitching is going to be an even more difficult task but I'll try to get to that soon.  I was thinking of giving Smoltz/Hudson a lot of stamina since of any team's one-two punch, they probably have the highest average IP/game in the majors, but I don't see how I could make it much higher than what's already been made for the other teams...

I'm so looking forward to playing this ROM when it's done.

Quote from: Strassy on 10/03/05, 01:52:41 AM
feel free to advise on necessary ratings changes, especially when it comes to pitching, I felt pretty lost there.

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/03/05, 07:07:36 AM
I'm at work on the Yanks right now, I'm trying to base it as much on my own knowledge as on comparisons to Strassy's ChiSox ratings.

This concerns me.  One guy says he's making a ROM but is lost, so the other guy says he's basing his ROM off of the ROM of the lost guy...

I think so far the Braves are the best representative of their talent.

That's cool that you based mine and Strassy's results on the finished work that we posted, and not just our base statements. Bravo.

I am working on a 2005 ROM (I am almost done).
I included the 8 playoff teams (except for the Padres since they don't deserve it... included my favorite team in their place-brew crew) and 2 all-star teams (the best players (IMO) from each league that are not one of the playoff teams.

I will be having that canadien dude make me a couple of ROMs.  I will be giving to my best man as part of his groomsmen gift at my wedding.  He has no idea this even possible to do this.. so he should be surprised.

You should place the Groomsmen and yourself, along with a few others in the wedding part, on one of the all star teams.

Your best man is gonna go nuts.  If I had no clue any of this shit was possible and someone handed me an updated version of RBI I'd damn near lose my mind I'd be so excited.

And Attabozzle is right. That's an even better idea.

I updated the ROM with the Yanks and Braves. I changed the Yanks around a bit based on the Braves rankings and suggestions from Beefy and Ult.

I can't for the life of me figure out why I can't save on the editor...Here's the attached rom with the ChiSox, Braves, and Yanks

i'd like to see the cubs (with nomar at third, of course) and maybe the athletics or the indians. that's would be a cool lineup.

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/03/05, 08:51:36 AM
same for Rivera, since he only really uses a cutter/fastball combo, he'd be almost the same as Berenger, and pretty easy to hit.

I don't think this has to be so.  You can throw a cutter in RBI.  Give Rivera a high CrR rating so that you can break a pitch in on a R batter's hands at the last second.  He should have plus speed and as good as an RP can have for stamina.  Also, he should be able to change speeds well.   He'll be a great RP.

Hey guys, this is great that y'all are so dedicated and excited about this.

Can I suggest that we use some sort of baseline (such as what Beef has suggested but more detailed) as much as possible?  I'd like to take out personal interpretation as much as possible.

You know what would be great--is if we can use RBI as the baseline...

If anybody has a little time, it'd be super helpful if we had a spreadsheet that has the following data of all RBI NES players:

Hitters: Name, ABs, HRs, BA, SO, SB, POWER, CONTACT, SPEED

We'd need something else for Ps...SO per Inn is pretty good for speed, and GS and G are good for stamina (SP and RP, respectively) but CrR/CrL, and drop ratings are likely to be subjective.  Perhaps we can base this on pitchers in the game today...for example, Randy Johnson should be similar to a left handed Nolan Ryan; Clemens should be similar to, well, Clemens; Pettitte should be similar to Ojeda, etc...

i like what dirt is saying here.  as for rivera...maybe give him a nasty drop ball too....in terms of correlation to how good a guy is overall, that would make him decidedly harder to hit for sure in RBI.   

i realize what guys are known for in terms of thier pitches in real life, but think in terms of RBI to make them good/bad.  this may cause you to bend your thinking a bit.

if i was trying to come up with a rom, i believe its important to not be so anal about individuals per se, but i think ratings have to be scewed a bit to reflect the team overall. 

Like the guy who posted about atlanta said...they are a good fundamental team but it doesnt translate into statistics...well just give the batter some additonal love in contact and power.....and they will continue to be a good team in rbi. 

joe pointed out that NY and MIN won the series in 86 and 87, yet they are bottom 5 teams.  did the programmers screw this up?  nah.  MIN had a crappy record the year they won the series.  They just happened to catch Lightning in a bottle(in JD's own werds)  But NY was a real good team that was not translated into rbi terms very well.  so maybe NY shoulda had some better bats, or a tad more pitching on the ratings.

hopefully this post makes some semblence of sense to yall.  Bend the rules a bit and color outside the lines if need be.  and joes examples of Randy Johnson as a lefty Nolan is a good idea as well. 


I am swinging from Dirts nads...forgive me.   :D

TBT don't forget to mention that I was peeing while we talked.  I sat down so you wouldn't hear me peeing, but I guess the jig is up, since I just posted my dirty little secret...

you sat down...chump!  you shoulda just put the phone down by the toilet as soon as you picked up...it woulda been interesting to say the least to hear your urine splatter on the cold calm toilet water.

btw, was that grunting noises you were making or were you just happy to hear from me?

haha, no, I just did number 1.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 10/03/05, 09:24:10 PM
I sat down so you wouldn't hear me peeing

Allow me.

Pics?

"real" baseball hardly translates well onto a video game.

How do I know this?    I'm a cub fan.   Damn near every baseball game that has the cubs, you will find that the Cubs are good on video games?  Typically the Cubs have power hitting, which does well in video games.

Hell, if you put the 87 Cubs on RBI, they'd beat the shit out of everyone --- tons of power.

Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 10/03/05, 06:34:58 PM
Data for team 3 (Atlanta):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Furcal  LHB .284  12  16   795 146
02 Giles    RHB .291 15  20  834 138
03 CJones LHB .296 21  18   895 132
04 AJones RHB .263 51  32   955 122
05 LaRche LHB .259 20  26  851 124
06 Fnceur RHB  .300 14   8   867 134
07 Lngrhs  LHB .267  8  26   835 128
08 Estrda  LHB .261  4  22   810 120
=======================================
09 Orr        LHB .300  1  16  744  143
10 KJhnsn  LHB .244  9  26   825 130
11 McCann LHB .278 5  20   820 124
12 Franco  RHB .275  9  22   833 132



I tried to be honest with these guys, and frankly they just come out sucking.  Not one individual stat of any player on the Braves (other than AJones) is impressive.  The problem with the Braves is that clutch hitting, good fundamentals, and team chemistry can't factor into their RBI version...  For the record, I also factored strikeouts into the contact rating.

Pitching is going to be an even more difficult task but I'll try to get to that soon.  I was thinking of giving Smoltz/Hudson a lot of stamina since of any team's one-two punch, they probably have the highest average IP/game in the majors, but I don't see how I could make it much higher than what's already been made for the other teams...

I'm so looking forward to playing this ROM when it's done.

I hope to GOD you are kidding me.  Andruw at 122 speed? THAT must be a typo.  Maybe 142.

Andruw really isn't as fast as he appears, he gets by on having the best intuition and first step in the game.

slight updates for White Sox hitters...lowered a few guys power, raised a few guy's contact.

Data for team 1 (ChicagoSox):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Pdsdnk LHB .293  0  11   717 148
02 Iguchi RHB .278 15  16   788 142
03 Knerko RHB .283 40  15   930 120
04 Dye    RHB .271 30  20   904 134
05 Rowand RHB .271 13  17   838 138
06 Pznski LHB .256 18  26   841 124
07 Crede  RHB .252 22  24   858 128
08 Uribe  RHB .254 16  28   822 128
=======================================
09 Ozuna  RHB .276  0  16   735 144
10 Harris LHB .258  1  22   755 144
11 Evrett LHB .250 23  26   882 128
12 Perez  LHB .219  2  30   782 134
=======================================
13 Burhle LHB .150  0   0     0   0
14 Garlnd RHB .150  0   0     0   0
15 Cotts  LHB .150  0   0     0   0
16 Hrmnsn RHB .150  0   0     0   0

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Burhle LHP 3.12   5  8 10 158 174 190  50 115 140
02 Garlnd RHP 3.50   6  8  5 162 178 188  44 113 143
03 Cotts  LHP 1.94   7  9  6 162 178 200  15 114 142
04 Hrmnsn RHP 2.04   8 10  7 156 172 184  15 116 139

Just made the Padres, man do they ever suck.  i used yahoo sports to tell me who batted where in the order most often.

Data for team 6 (SanDiego):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Robrts LHB .275  8  20   768 142
02 Loreta RHB .280  3  18   749 138
03 Klesko LHB .248 18  26   870 126
04 Giles  LHB .301 15  10   844 136
05 Herndz RHB .290 12  14   878 122
06 Nady   RHB .261 13  20   852 124
07 Burghs LHB .250  1  26   737 126
08 Greene RHB .250 15  28   828 128
=======================================
09 Sweeny LHB .294  8  14   872 128
10 Jacksn RHB .255  5  20   772 144
11 Fick   LHB .265  3  20   782 126
12 Randa  RHB .265  4  18   788 126
=======================================
13 Peavy  RHB .150  0   0     0   0
14 Lawrnc RHB .150  0   0     0   0
15 Lnbrnk RHB .150  0   0     0   0
16 Hoffmn RHB .150  0   0     0   0

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Peavy  RHP 2.88   7  9  6 152 187 200  46 141 146
02 Lawrnc RHP 4.83   5  7  4 138 167 179  40 113 143
03 Lnbrnk RHP 1.83   8  9  4 146 167 192  15 110 115
04 Hoffmn RHP 2.97  10 11  8 142 183 202  15 114 141

just a note, i noticed that the Braves are in the slot that would usually be occupied by an AL team (DT?) I think before we actually get this thing made, we need to set it up like the original:  the four AL teams followed by the four NL teams.  i know it's small, but this will eat away at me forever if we don't fix it!

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/04/05, 12:45:47 AM
Andruw really isn't as fast as he appears, he gets by on having the best intuition and first step in the game.

Agreed, but if you think Chip, LaRoche and all those slow bastards are faster, whoa.

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/03/05, 07:16:45 PM
I changed the Yanks around a bit...

Could you please post those changes or update your original post?

Quote from: MrOrangeJuice21 on 10/04/05, 12:30:40 AM
I hope to GOD you are kidding me.  Andruw at 122 speed? THAT must be a typo.  Maybe 142.

Andruw may be able to get around in center field, but he is shit on the basepaths.  I based his horrible speed mainly on the fact that he can never, ever beat out a double play.  Ever.

(For the record, AJones stole five bases this season and was caught three times.)

142 is completely ridiculously out of hand.  In the online league you ran, you chose the stats for the Braves since they were your team and every last one of them was inflated.  This is why it's dangerous to have a team's fan choosing that team's stats, even here...

And the Padres look about right, actually, Strassy.  Relatively shitty, yes, but this is RBI after all, and somebody has to be in the third tier of teams.

actually those were based off MVP so you can send it in to EA Sports.

no bickering in this thread!

How are you getting these pitching stats, Strassy?  Just randomly assigning attributes based on statistics, or do you know the pitchers as far as who throws what?  I do agree that listing out the attributes of some original RBI'ers, maybe clearly the not-so-good, the decent, and the stars, as a reference point for this sort of thing might be helpful, especially for the pitchers.

Also, since it looks like all stars are going to take the final two spots (though I realize that could still change, technically), we should make a decision.  Allow playoff-team players to also appear on their league's all star team (and thus be in the game twice) or leave them out by substituting non-all stars who are still good, a la the original RBI?  I of course am a traditionalist, but realize that searching appropriate subs, especially having to go by position, can be a demanding task.  I'd be curious to see Stock's decisions.

i am essentially basing pitching stats (esp for the padres) off of players in RBI of similiar ability.  for the white sox, my pitching stats were more scentific - i know that Buehrle has a good curveball.

i think the all star teams should be done RBI-style...i'm still disappointed to see that we will probably end up with all star teams though.

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/03/05, 08:51:36 AM
I'd be in favor of changing Johnson to a side armer

I like this idea alot.  Hell it looks like he throws from the side of his body anyway.  Good way to increase his RBI-appeal without bastardizing the ratings.

Also, should we start a different thread to debate who would be on the all star teams?

Quote from: fknmclane on 10/03/05, 07:00:49 PM
Your best man is gonna go nuts.  If I had no clue any of this shit was possible and someone handed me an updated version of RBI I'd damn near lose my mind I'd be so excited.

And Attabozzle is right. That's an even better idea.

Here are the pitchers I have for the ROM I am putting together.  I am trying to make sure I have all the sidearmers.  I know Meyers (Boston) is a side armer, but not sure if  I missed anyone else.  Can one of you stat heads let me know if there are any sidearmers here:

Team   NAME   T
LAA   Colon   RO
LAA   Wshbrn   LO
LAA   Shield   RO
LAA   Rdrgez   RO
Bo   Wells   LO
Bo   Wakfld   RO
Bo   Meyers   LS
Bo   Foulke   RO
NYY   Johnsn   LO
NYY   Musina   RO
NYY   Gordon   RO
NYY   Rivera   RO
CHW   Buhrle   LO
CHW   Garcia   RO
CHW   Cotts   LO
CHW   Hrmnsn   RO
Hou   Clemns   RO
Hou   Oswalt   RO
Hou   Wheelr   RO
Hou   Lidge   RO
MKE   Sheets   RO
MKE   DDavis   LO
MKE   Wise   LO
MKE   Trnbow   RO
STL   Crpntr   RO
STL   Mulder   LO
STL   Tavrez   RO
STL   Isrgsn   RO
Atl   Smoltz   RO
Atl   Hudson   RO
Atl   Kolb   RO
Atl   Ritsma   RO
AL   Cl.Lee   LO
AL   Santna   LO
AL   Rincon   RO
AL   Wickmn   RO
NL   Willis   LO
NL   Martnz   RO
NL   Lnbrnk   RO
NL   Cordro   RO

Quote from: ultimate7 on 10/04/05, 09:36:09 AM
You are using Milwaukee instead of SD?

Yes.  I was born and raised in Wisconsin and any custom ROM I make will have the Brewers.  It was a pretty easy decision as to what playoff team would get the boot.

Sorry I deleted my post shortly after I posted when I went back and saw what you had posted before about making the ROM.

It'd be a little bit of overkill, but Bradford on Boston is also a sidearmer.

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/04/05, 01:34:17 PM
It'd be a little bit of overkill, but Bradford on Boston is also a sidearmer.

Ummm...I doubt we'll need to worry about that. 

My bad, that was post was directed at Stock's question about getting all the sidearmers in the game.

Updated Yanks ratings

Data for team 3 (NewYork):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Jeter  RHB .309 19  11   815 144
02 ARdrgz RHB .321 48   8   965 142
03 Giambi LHB .271 32  16   910 118
04 Shffld RHB .291 34  14   915 132
05 Matsui LHB .305 23  12   830 126
06 Posada LHB .262 19  24   805 120
07 BWllms LHB .249 12  28   790 130
08 RCano  RHB .297 14  16   815 130
=======================================
09 Sierra LHB .229  4  24   775 124
10 Mrtnez LHB .241 17  20   805 118
11 Lawton LHB .254 13  18   770 144
12 Womack LHB .249  0  18   740 144

Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 10/03/05, 06:34:58 PM
Data for team 3 (Atlanta):
No Name R/L Avg HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Furcal LHB .284 12 16 795 146
02 Giles RHB .291 15 20 834 138
03 CJones LHB .296 21 18 895 132
04 AJones RHB .263 51 32 955 122
05 LaRche LHB .259 20 26 851 124
06 Fnceur RHB .300 14 8 867 134
07 Lngrhs LHB .267 8 26 835 128
08 Estrda LHB .261 4 22 810 120
=======================================
09 Orr LHB .300 1 16 744 143
10 KJhnsn LHB .244 9 26 825 130
11 McCann LHB .278 5 20 820 124
12 Franco RHB .275 9 22 833 132



I tried to be honest with these guys, and frankly they just come out sucking. Not one individual stat of any player on the Braves (other than AJones) is impressive. The problem with the Braves is that clutch hitting, good fundamentals, and team chemistry can't factor into their RBI version... For the record, I also factored strikeouts into the contact rating.

Pitching is going to be an even more difficult task but I'll try to get to that soon. I was thinking of giving Smoltz/Hudson a lot of stamina since of any team's one-two punch, they probably have the highest average IP/game in the majors, but I don't see how I could make it much higher than what's already been made for the other teams...

I'm so looking forward to playing this ROM when it's done.

Why would Francouer's contact be that low?  He struck out once every 4.4 AB's while Andruw was every 5.2 AB's

And for this year at least, shouldn't Andruw also have the highest Power rating?

Johnny Estrada should be much, much faster.

Quote from: BeeJay on 10/04/05, 02:37:28 PM
Johnny Estrada should be much, much faster slower.

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/04/05, 01:41:38 PM
My bad, that was post was directed at Stock's question about getting all the sidearmers in the game.

I wasn't trying to GET all the sidearmers in the game.  I was just wondering if anyone in my list of pitchers was a sidearmer besides Meyers?

Quote from: Big Hath on 10/04/05, 02:27:40 PM

Why would Francouer's contact be that low?  He struck out once every 4.4 AB's while Andruw was every 5.2 AB's

Usually, contact is made to represent average, rather than ability to actually make contact.  Contact rating in RBI affects how much power is lost from a less-than-optimal hit - it doesn't actually affect a hitter's ability to make contact (that is entirely dependent on the player).

Quote from: Stock on 10/04/05, 03:00:07 PM

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/04/05, 01:41:38 PM
My bad, that was post was directed at Stock's question about getting all the sidearmers in the game.

I wasn't trying to GET all the sidearmers in the game. I was just wondering if anyone in my list of pitchers was a sidearmer besides Meyers?

Which Rincon is that? Ricardo or Juan?

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/04/05, 03:09:07 PM

Quote from: Stock on 10/04/05, 03:00:07 PM

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/04/05, 01:41:38 PM
My bad, that was post was directed at Stock's question about getting all the sidearmers in the game.

I wasn't trying to GET all the sidearmers in the game. I was just wondering if anyone in my list of pitchers was a sidearmer besides Meyers?

Which Rincon is that? Ricardo or Juan?

This is Juan from MN.  He had 24 holds this year along with a 2.47 ERA in 74 apearances.

For the Cardinals, I would include Al Reyes instead of Julian Tavarez.

I wouldn't know where to start to make a realistic roster for the Redbirds, but these are the players I'd include.

Eckstn
Walker
Pujols
Sandrs
Edmnds
Gdzlnk
Nunez
Molina

Rolen
Mabry
Tguchi
JRdrgz

Crpntr
Mulder
Reyes
Isrhsn

Great work, Strass.  I'm not sure that Ramon Hernandez and Mark Sweeney should be the two with the highest power ratings, but it's a good start.

Quote from: Gerlost on 10/04/05, 05:18:35 PM
For the Cardinals, I would include Al Reyes instead of Julian Tavarez.

I wouldn't know where to start to make a realistic roster for the Redbirds, but these are the players I'd include.

Eckstn
Walker
Pujols
Sandrs
Edmnds
Gdzlnk
Nunez
Molina

Rolen
Mabry
Tguchi
JRdrgz

Crpntr
Mulder
Reyes
Isrhsn

Rolen has to be in the starting line up...per RBI rules--he's still in there despite his injuries.

per RBI rules?  mind you, i am drunk right now...but what players that were inured and didn't apepar in the posteason made it into the starting lineups in RBI?  are any even on the roster?  it doesn't make sense to me.  i mean, Frank THomas has better stats than any bench guy on the White Sox besides Everett, but since he was only around for like a month, it just didn't feel right to include him, especially since he hasn't played since liek july.

Quote from: Strassy on 10/04/05, 08:18:47 PM
per RBI rules?  mind you, i am drunk right now...but what players that were inured and didn't apepar in the posteason made it into the starting lineups in RBI?  are any even on the roster?  it doesn't make sense to me.  i mean, Frank THomas has better stats than any bench guy on the White Sox besides Everett, but since he was only around for like a month, it just didn't feel right to include him, especially since he hasn't played since liek july.

DH hater!

Jack Clark is the only one, and he played 1 game in the 87 ALCS.

Maybe I'm missing something as well.

Burks didn't appear, neither did Sullivan (although neither are starters)

I can't find anyone else.

Quote from: Strassy on 10/04/05, 08:18:47 PM
per RBI rules? mind you, i am drunk right now...but what players that were inured and didn't apepar in the posteason made it into the starting lineups in RBI? are any even on the roster? it doesn't make sense to me. i mean, Frank THomas has better stats than any bench guy on the White Sox besides Everett, but since he was only around for like a month, it just didn't feel right to include him, especially since he hasn't played since liek july.

Tony Armas missed a lot of games in '87, so they used his '84 season (his last full season, mind you), for example.  I 'm pretty sure there's more, but that is just off the top of my head.

I don't think they simply took those who played in the playoffs; rather, I think they took those who were the best choice per position.  I definitely do not think they factored in "who played the most," either.  And they certainly didn't factor in how much one played to get their ratings.

BTW, Burks was never on the RedSox roster in 1986

Quote from: Big Hath on 10/04/05, 02:27:40 PM
Why would Francouer's contact be that low?  He struck out once every 4.4 AB's while Andruw was every 5.2 AB's

And for this year at least, shouldn't Andruw also have the highest Power rating?

Guess it was just a bonus to the starter with the highest batting average.  Also K's were only a slight factor for me.  And Andruw does have the highest power rating for the Braves, or did you mean among the entire league?  I only made it 955 because I believe that is about as high as the strongest power hitter in the orginal RBI.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 10/04/05, 09:20:58 PM
Japanese programmers in the mid 80's didn't know much about Major League Baseball.

Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 10/04/05, 09:24:32 PM
And Andruw does have the highest power rating for the Braves, or did you mean among the entire league?

Yeah, it was just a general question to everyone - I meant for the entire league

As for pitchers, I'd like to see Smoltz, Hudson, Reitsma and Farnsworth

Thanks for the reminder in the other thread, Strassy.  I've finally gotten off my ass to do Atlanta's rotation, and have edited it into my original post.  I repeat it here for convenience:

QuoteNo Name   R/L    ERA     Sf    Sr     Ss   Cl  Cr  Dr  En
======================================================
01 Smoltz  RHP  3.06   204  188  153  10  6  10  50
02 Hudson RHP  3.52   194  168  147  8   7   6   50
03 Ritsma  RHP  3.93   190  164  145  7   5   7   15
04 Fnswth  RHP   1.98   208  177  173  5   3   4   15

I gave it some thought, but in the end decided to model these pitchers not so much after how they throw in real life, but more in line with whom I think their closest RBI-matches are.  For instance, I used Gooden as a basic model for Smoltz's numbers, but did tweak a few of things I thought were particular to Smoltz (such as a higher drop rating given Smoltz's commanding splitter).  The other basic models were a right-handed Viola (for Hudson), Stanley (for Reitsma) and a combination of Garrelts/Robinson (for Farnsworth).  Overall I think this staff should be more or less playable, despite its lack of lefties (although there are staffs in RBI which are all-righty, so I guess that's not a problem anyway).

Comments?

And before any lazy rats bitch at me solely for the RBI'ers I chose to base my pitchers on, please compare how my guys differ from their RBI models before commenting.

I would be most ecstatic if we could get this thing up and running shortly after the WS is completed, perhaps giving a small bonus to whichever team winds up taking it all (although I realize that might be a departure from RBI tradition)...

Also Strassy, could you please rearrange your pitching attributes to the same order that I have mine in (which is the same way they're listed in the team pages)?  I'm having a little trouble reading yours.

(Edited to improve stat alignment... This showing up all right for everyone else?)

i have just been copying them the same way they appear if you generate the text file from the ROM.  i do think this makes more sense, because when we finalize all values, they should be organized in a way that is easy for us to accurately enter into the editor.

For what it's worth, when you're posting information that's lined up with spaces (like the text output of the editor), use the tt tag. That is ...

[ tt]
This
Information
  Is
   Lined
  Up
Properly
.
[/ tt]

(Just remove the spaces)

test
is
this
information
lined
up
properly?
that
damn
nightwulf
is
such
a
genius.
plus,
he's
tall.

WHY ARE WE WISPERING??

I'm very excited about what's about to be posted.

I'm very disappointed about what  c10ud5tryf3 ended up not posting after all.

Can we start a campaign to get c10ud5tryf3 on Wumpst's ticket?

c10ud5tryf3 for VP!!!

let me see what i can do with those speed ratings and pitcher ratings . . . .

When this ROM is finished, are you having some kind of mass shipment from that guy who creates NES carts?  If so, how much and how do I get one?

With shipping it was $35

The issue is that he will only ship to one address...that is why I headed up project arcade cart.

I'm not sure I can get behind this one, though...mostly because I do not agree with the way the ratings are being so subjectively assigned (no offense to anybody).

Examples of them being subjectively assigned?

What changes would you make?

Is this going to end up being like the fantasy baseball money holding thing?

shit.  this could get tough.  i think maybe the dee-nee community could look over the teams that have been created and if theres a mass outcry for changes in particular for certain players/teams then maybe those need to be made...how we come into agreement with this is the next problem.

maybe we need to have a slug of ppl come up with ratings  for the teams then take the average for each player, which would be time consuming for whoever had to chart all this info. 

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/16/05, 07:25:49 PM
Examples of them being subjectively assigned?

What changes would you make?

Is this going to end up being like the fantasy baseball money holding thing?

It's nothing personal and I haven't looked at the ratings in some time, but it just seems to me that the ROM would be a lot better if there was a little more consistency in what ability/stat translated into what rating.  It's nobody's fault--it's to be expected when 10 different people (or how many ever) create ratings for 10 different teams without any kind of common guidline, formula, etc.

Quote from: JoeDirt on 10/16/05, 09:46:21 PM

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/16/05, 07:25:49 PM
Examples of them being subjectively assigned?

What changes would you make?

Is this going to end up being like the fantasy baseball money holding thing?

It's nothing personal and I haven't looked at the ratings in some time, but it just seems to me that the ROM would be a lot better if there was a little more consistency in what ability/stat translated into what rating.  It's nobody's fault--it's to be expected when 10 different people (or how many ever) create ratings for 10 different teams without any kind of common guidline, formula, etc.

Tradition, my friend.  Do you think the Japs had a scientific formula when they were creating this game in the mid-80s?  It's admittedly subjective, but as long as the final product is playable, there should be no problem.

True, but I'm saying that we should be basing the ratings on the original game...not our subjective opinions.

I don't either..

Quote from: JoeDirt on 10/16/05, 07:07:40 PM
The issue is that he will only ship to one address...that is why I headed up project arcade cart.

I'm not sure I can get behind this one, though...mostly because I do not agree with the way the ratings are being so subjectively assigned (no offense to anybody).

well, i said that i would take advice from people if my ratings seemed off.  even if no one gets behind it, i will make my own ratings and get a copy made for myself.

Why are we getting so ahead of ourselves talking about paying cash for a cartridge copy, anyway?  Most people who would wind up eventually playing any ROM we finish will be playing it in just that form -- a ROM.  So there's no point in discussing now whether any finished product will be worth the money, let's just get this thing off the assembly line so the masses can enjoy it for free, and a let the handful who want to play on a proper NES for a few bucks do so, if they so choose.

And if there's really no one out there who knows the Astros decently who can volunteer to work on that team's stats, I'll offer to put them together next, despite the fact that I know comparatively little about them.  Really, if there is someone more qualified to take them (or any other team you know about) off somebody else's less qualified hands, feel free speak up.

There are some Cards fans here who could kick things into action to put that team together too, aren't there?  Rally, people, damn it... Rally!

You stole my team :)  And underated one guy's speed by about 10

Quote from: MrOrangeJuice21 on 10/17/05, 01:11:41 AM
You stole my team :)  And underated one guy's speed by about 10

Okay, okay, maybe I was giving him a hard time for personal reasons (I love the guy and do think he should be MVP, but god damn, when there's a runner on first with less than two outs, I secretly hope he will strike out because I reiterate the fact that he has not once since the turn of the millenium legged out a close DP).  I'll bump him up to 130 speed, unless somebody else is also compelled that it should be lower.  Feel free to give any other suggestions.

I secretly hope he hits a home.  But don't tell anyone.  132 sounds good to me :)

Also, wut's w/ Giles terrible contact?

Quote from: MrOrangeJuice21 on 10/17/05, 01:45:57 AM
I secretly hope he hits a home.  But don't tell anyone.  132 sounds good to me :)

Also, wut's w/ Giles terrible contact?

I think contact was pretty arbitrarily determined in the original, so I didn't put too much thought into the contact ratings, though I guess I could drop Giles' down a bit (I'd still like his to be higher than Furcal's though).  And I also want Andruw to be slightly slower than Chipper, so we'll compromise on a speed of 130 ;)

What do you think about the pitcher ratings?

Shit, upon closer inspection, I guess it wasn't so arbitary after all.  Contact is almost perfectly proportional to the player's batting average, relative to the other players on the team.  For example, here is the Boston batting roster organized from highest average to lowest.  Note the trend in contact that goes along with it.


Player    Avg   Cnt

Boggs    .357   4
Rice     .324   10
Buckner  .292   14
Barrett  .286   16
Gedman   .274   21
Burks    .272   28
Hendu    .265   26
Armas    .264   28
Baylor   .263   29
Evans    .259   27
Owen     .231   34
Stinky   .193   38


Notice the almost perfect correlation, save the minor exceptions of Henderson and DwEvns.  I'll work on having Atlanta's contact fit this mold in the near future.  Tedious work.

This is exactly what I was talking abut...good find, oct.

Okay, so it's not relative to the rest of the team after all.  Contact tends to follow some sort of formula, although not perfectly consistent.  Here is a list of which batting averages fall into which contact rating for each of the 120 batters in the game:



cnt   avg

4    .357
5   
6    .307, .332, .343
7    .370
8    .325, .327
9
10   .320, .324, .324, .332
11   .290, .330, .353
12   .305, .316, .338
13   .308, .312
14   .290, .291, .292, .298, .307, .308, .311, .313, .323
15   .292, .295, .303
16   .280, .281, .285, .286, .300, .305
17   .284, .295, .298
18   .267 .275, .276, .280, .287, .289, .289, .289, .293
19   .271, .289, .294, .294, .296
20   .256, .267, .272, .277, .281, .282, .286, .293, .293
21   .267, .268, .274, .275, .277, .281, .286, .287
22   .265, .266, .267, .268, .282, .285
23   .259, .262, .273, .275, .286
24   .250, .251, .259, .265, .267
25   .257, .281
26   .253, .256, .265, .265
27   .258, .259
28   .248 .249, .249, .257, .257, .259, .261, .264, .272
29   .248, .257, .263
30   .247
31   .238, .261
32   .245, .250, .251
33
34   .225, .231, .241, .249
35
36
37
38   .193, .208, .245

There was one team (SL) which skewed the results slightly for some reason (and also AL and NL to a lesser extent), but there is still a very discernable pattern here.  So my rough blueprint for calculating contact ratings for the 2005 ROM would be like this:


  For avg.     Use cnt

.175 - .245    30 - 38
.230 - .260    26 - 32
.250 - .280    20 - 28
.275 - .300    14 - 22
.290 - .315    11 - 18
.310 - .375     4 - 12


Notice the tremendous overlap I'm allowing for to still fit in with the original RBI.  If someone wants to set up a more scientific formula (or discovers any such scientific formula existing in RBI), feel free to do so.

Right, so here are the Braves as they stand now with contact numbers updated, and a few other minor tweakings:

No  Name    R/L   Avg  HR  Cnt Pwr  Spd
========================================

01 Furcal   LHB  .284  12  18  795  146
02 Giles    RHB  .291  15  18  834  138
03 CJones   LHB  .296  21  16  895  132
04 AJones   RHB  .263  51  24  955  130
05 LaRche   LHB  .259  20  27  851  124
06 Fnceur   RHB  .300  14  12  867  134
07 Lngrhs   LHB  .267  8   22  835  128
08 Estrda   LHB  .261  4   25  810  120

========================================

09 Orr      LHB  .300  1   14  744  143
10 KJhnsn   LHB  .244  9   30  825  130
11 McCann   LHB  .278  5   20  820  124
12 Franco   RHB  .275  9   20  833  132




No  Name    R/L  ERA   Sf   Sr   Ss  Cl  Cr  Dr  En
===================================================

01 Smoltz   RHP  3.06  204  188  153  10  6  10  50
02 Hudson   RHP  3.52  194  168  147  8   7  6   50
03 Ritsma   RHP  3.93  190  164  145  7   5  7   15
04 Fnswth   RHP  1.98  208  179  175  5   3  4   15

Quote from: OctogenarianFranco on 10/17/05, 05:06:50 PM
There was one team (SL) which skewed the results slightly for some reason

A St. Louis fan on the staff  :D

What if we go with HR/AB for power numbers? I think that that'll be the best way to go about it.

This is sort of ripping off Beefmaster and how he gave Morneau more power since he played half a season and such.

Also, as far as contact goes, I'd prefer to use OBP, this way a guy like Giambi who takes a lot of pitches doesn't get penalized for walking. If that makes any sense.

Quote from: Attezzobal on 10/18/05, 10:56:36 AM
What if we go with HR/AB for power numbers? I think that that'll be the best way to go about it.

This is sort of ripping off Beefmaster and how he gave Morneau more power since he played half a season and such.

Also, as far as contact goes, I'd prefer to use OBP, this way a guy like Giambi who takes a lot of pitches doesn't get penalized for walking. If that makes any sense.

NOOOOOO That would screw Chip :(

I can't remember if a finalized 2005 ROM ever existed. I've been playing around with different forumlas for calculating the speed, contact and power attributes, and I decided to build a 2005 ROM to test out the results.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the results - none of the numbers seem that far off-base.

The pitching stats ARE more subjective than anything else, based on my own research into player's scouting reports, etc. Power numbers are based on a formula that takes into account HR/AB and slugging percentage above or below the league average. Contact is based on player's batting average, the league batting average, player strikeouts/AB and leaguewide strikeouts/AB. Speed numbers are based on player SBs, times GIDP, factored in with the total number of SB in the league and the league leader's SB total.

(If anyone is really interested in seeing the Excel spreadsheet with all the formulas, let me know.)

Pitching stats are subjective, but based on some pretty solid research on pitcher's stuff, and what pitches they throw.

One note on pitcher's hitting attributes: I tweaked the contact and power formulas to reflect the 'average" pitcher rather than versus the "average" player. (The exception to this rule is Dontrelle Willis, who hit better than several position/bench players in the game - I based his stats on regular factors.) I put a cap on how bad a pitcher's hitting coudl be at the standard RBI pitcher attributes: 640 PWR, 64 CT, 120 SPEED, and used that as the default for all AL pitchers.

Anyway, the ROM is attached, as is the text roster. You can also download the ROM at Nightwulf's site. Let me know if you think it needs any tweaking.

Data for team 1 (ChicagoWhtSx):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Pdsdnk LHB .290  0  17   724 148
02 Iguchi RHB .278 15  22   791 129
03 Dye    RHB .274 31  22   875 127
04 Knerko RHB .283 40  20   908 122
05 Prznky LHB .257 18  26   813 122
06 Rowand RHB .270 13  23   772 129
07 Crede  RHB .252 22  27   846 123
08 Uribe  RHB .252 16  27   798 125
=======================================
09 CEvret LHB .251 23  28   833 124
10 Osuna  RHB .276 14  20   723 139
11 Perez  LHB .218  2  35   742 125
12 Widger RHB .241  4  30   784 121
=======================================
13 Burhle LHB .000  0  64   640 120
14 Garlnd RHB .500  0  64   640 120
15 Cotts  LHB .000  0  64   640 120
16 Hrmnsn RHB .000  0  64   640 120

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Burhle LHP 3.12   8  7  5 154 163 191  51 115 140
02 Garlnd RHP 3.50   5  6  8 155 170 189  48 113 143
03 Cotts  LHP 1.94   7  5  3 135 162 178  15 114 142
04 Hrmnsn RHP 2.04   8  2  4 162 168 198  15 116 139


Data for team 2 (Boston):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Damon  LHB .318 10  10   759 130
02 Rntria RHB .276  8  21   749 126
03 Ortiz  LHB .300 47  16   948 120
04 Rmirez RHB .292 45  18   955 122
05 Nixon  LHB .275 13  21   798 124
06 Muellr LHB .295 10  16   766 121
07 Varitk LHB .281 22  22   840 123
08 Grfino RHB .319  4  10   773 126
=======================================
09 Millar RHB .272  9  22   766 124
10 Cora   LHB .269  2  22   764 124
11 Mrabli RHB .228  6  37   823 126
12 Olerud LHB .289  7  17   820 122
=======================================
13 Wkefld RHB .250  0  64   640 120
14 Wells  LHB .143  0  64   640 120
15 Timlin RHB .000  0  64   640 120
16 Foulke RHB .000  0  64   640 120

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Wkefld RHP 4.15  10  2  4 135 157 173  50 114 143
02 Wells  LHP 4.45   3  5  2 149 164 190  40 113 140
03 Timlin RHP 2.24   8  2  6 165 170 194  15 114 139
04 Foulke RHP 5.91   4  2  4 141 163 191  15 116 142


Data for team 3 (Angels):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Figgns LHB .290  8  18   749 146
02 OCabra RHB .257  8  24   753 132
03 Andrsn LHB .283 17  19   791 123
04 Gurero RHB .317 32  10   892 128
05 Erstad LHB .273  7  22   746 127
06 BMolna RHB .295 15  15   809 120
07 Finley LHB .222 12  35   786 127
08 Kenndy LHB .300  2  15   731 134
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09 McPrsn LHB .244  8  32   816 126
10 Dvanon LHB .231  2  33   738 120
11 JRivra RHB .271 15  22   826 122
12 Iztris LHB .246  1  27   731 133
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13 Colon  RHB .333  0  64   640 120
14 Lackey RHB .000  0  64   640 120
15 Shield RHB .000  0  64   640 120
16 FRdrgz RHB .000  0  64   640 120

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Colon  RHP 3.48   7  4  6 170 183 203  48 141 143
02 Lackey RHP 3.44   5  5  8 155 163 179  44 113 143
03 Shield RHP 2.75   4  5  6 153 168 185  15 141 146
04 FRdrgz RHP 2.67  11  2  5 170 173 201  15 116 140


Data for team 4 (New York):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Jeter  RHB .309 19  13   791 127
02 ARdrgz RHB .321 48  12   953 131
03 Giambi LHB .271 32  24   928 122
04 Shefld RHB .291 34  17   874 126
05 Matsui LHB .305 23  13   815 123
06 Cano   LHB .271 12  22   775 122
07 Wllams LHB .271 12  22   775 122
08 Posada LHB .262 19  25   816 123
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09 TMrtnz LHB .241 17  30   856 122
10 Crosby LHB .276  1  21   741 136
11 Womack LHB .249  0  27   722 142
12 Sierra LHB .229  4  34   772 123
=======================================
13 RJhnsn RHB .000  0  64   640 120
14 Mussna RHB .000  0  64   640 120
15 Gordon RHB .000  0  64   640 120
16 MRivra RHB .000  0  64   640 120

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 RJhnsn RHP 3.79   8  6  3 165 176 200  47 114 141
02 Mussna RHP 4.41   4  3  5 145 168 186  46 112 143
03 Gordon RHP 2.57   6  6  8 168 177 202  15 110 145
04 MRivra RHP 1.38  12  6  8 178 180 196  15 113 142


Data for team 5 (Houston):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Biggio RHB .264 26  24   830 128
02 Tavras RHB .291  3  18   731 141
03 Berkmn LHB .293 24  17   857 123
04 Ensbrg RHB .283 36  21   909 125
05 Lamb   LHB .236 12  32   808 131
06 Lane   RHB .267 26  24   850 125
07 Ausmus RHB .258  3  25   736 124
08 AEvret RHB .248 11  29   755 133
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09 Burke  RHB .248  5  29   755 133
10 Plmero LHB .284  3  19   755 126
11 Vzcano LHB .246  1  30   731 126
12 Bagwll RHB .250  3  29   787 121
=======================================
13 Oswalt RHB .178  0  52   640 120
14 Clemns RHB .207  0  44   640 120
15 Wheelr RHB .000  0  64   640 120
16 Lidge  RHB .000  0  64   640 120

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Oswalt RHP 2.94   7  4  7 159 164 206  50 105 144
02 Clemns RHP 1.87  10  4  6 173 175 198  47 115 142
03 Wheelr RHP 2.21   6  3  6 160 171 194  15 111 116
04 Lidge  RHP 2.29  10  2  4 170 176 214  15 112 143

Data for team 6 (Atlanta):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Furcal LHB .284 12  19   766 146
02 MGiles RHB .291 15  18   784 130
03 CJones LHB .296 21  17   882 126
04 AJones RHB .263 51  26   965 124
05 LaRche LHB .259 20  26   829 125
06 Frncur RHB .300 14  17   869 125
07 Lngrhn LHB .267  3  25   742 122
08 Estrda LHB .261  4  24   745 120
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09 KJhnsn LHB .241  9  32   791 123
10 Betimt LHB .305  4  16   759 123
11 Franco RHB .275  9  23   815 126
12 Jordan RHB .247  3  29   747 124
=======================================
13 Smoltz RHB .147  0  64   640 120
14 Hudson RHB .138  0  64   640 120
15 Sosa   RHB .097  0  64   640 120
16 Retsma RHB .000  0  64   640 120

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Smoltz RHP 3.06   7  5  7 170 178 191  49 141 146
02 Hudson RHP 3.52   8  3  6 168 177 195  44 113 143
03 Sosa   RHP 2.55   6  4  6 165 170 208  15 110 115
04 Retsma RHP 3.93   5  2  5 158 171 196  15 114 141


Data for team 7 (St.Louis):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Eckstn RHB .294  8  15   749 127
02 Edmnds LHB .263 29  27   887 125
03 Pujols RHB .330 41   8   923 130
04 Walker LHB .289 15  19   844 123
05 Sandrs RHB .271 21  24   915 137
06 Grdzlk RHB .294  8  17   755 126
07 YMolna RHB .252  8  25   795 122
08 Nunez  LHB .285  5  19   746 122
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09 Tguchi RHB .288  8  18   767 130
10 Mabry  LHB .240  8  32   795 121
11 JRdrgz LHB .295  5  20   801 127
12 Luna   RHB .265  1  20   737 145
=======================================
13 Crpntr RHB .065  0  64   640 120
14 Mulder LHB .145  0  64   640 120
15 Tavrez RHB .150  0  64   640 120
16 Isrngn RHB .150  0  64   640 120

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Crpntr RHP 2.83   5  8 11 151 162 197  51 114 142
02 Mulder LHP 3.64   3  7  5 167 173 191  45 112 143
03 Tavrez RHP 3.43   4  2  4 158 174 193  15 139 147
04 Isrngn RHP 2.14   5  6  8 167 180 198  15 113 141


Data for team 8 (San Diego):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Robrts LHB .275  8  21   766 139
02 Loreta RHB .280  3  19   736 128
03 BGiles LHB .301 15  15   790 129
04 Klesko LHB .248 18  28   815 124
05 RHrndz RHB .290 12  17   800 121
06 Greene RHB .250 15  29   802 125
07 Randa  RHB .256  4  25   761 121
08 Nady   RHB .261 13  26   816 124
=======================================
09 Swenny LHB .294  8  19   810 127
10 Brrghs LHB .250  1  27   727 126
11 DJcksn RHB .255  5  26   759 139
12 Fick   LHB .265  2  24   739 122
=======================================
13 Peavy  RHB .189  0  50   640 120
14 Eaton  RHB .174  0  56   640 120
15 Linbrk RHB .000  0  64   640 120
16 Hofman RHB .000  0  64   640 120

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Peavy  RHP 2.88   5  6  8 146 171 205  48 114 143
02 Eaton  RHP 4.27   4  4  6 136 159 201  40 112 143
03 Linbrk RHP 1.83   7  4  6 161 170 196  15 111 116
04 Hofman RHP 2.97   8  2  4 162 168 181  15 111 141


Data for team 9 (American):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Crwfrd LHB .301 15  14   778 142
02 Ichiro LHB .303 15  13   773 135
03 Young  RHB .331 24   7   815 124
04 Hafner LHB .305 33  16   916 122
05 Chavez LHB .269 27  24   828 125
06 Robrts LHB .314 18  12   805 135
07 VMrtnz LHB .305 20  14   812 122
08 Szemor LHB .289 22  19   808 130
=======================================
09 Texera LHB .301 43  16   908 123
10 Sexson RHB .263 39  27   910 122
11 Tejada RHB .304 26  14   825 123
12 Cantu  RHB .286 28  18   841 122
=======================================
13 Sntana LHB .167  0  64   640 120
14 ClLee  LHB .000  0  64   640 120
15 Street RHB .000  0  64   640 120
16 Baez   RHB .000  0  64   640 120

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Sntana LHP 2.87   9  7  5 175 180 198  49 140 146
02 ClLee  LHP 3.79   5  6  4 158 171 194  40 113 143
03 Street RHP 1.72  10  5  7 172 176 198  15 112 141
04 Baez   RHP 2.86   5  3  5 163 180 206  15 113 141


Data for team 10 (National):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Bay    RHB .306 32  16   868 133
02 Lopez  LHB .291 23  18   852 130
03 MCabra RHB .323 33  11   870 121
04 DLee   RHB .335 46   8   959 130
05 Wright RHB .306 27  15   845 131
06 Utley  LHB .291 28  19   860 131
07 Burrel RHB .281 32  23   868 121
08 Barret RHB .276 16  21   816 122
=======================================
09 Dlgado LHB .301 33  17   900 121
10 Abreu  LHB .286 24  20   823 139
11 CaLee  RHB .265 32  24   852 129
12 Kent   RHB .289 29  18   858 124
=======================================
13 Willis LHB .251  1  23   743 120
14 PMrtnz RHB .150  0  64   640 120
15 Cordro RHB .150  0  64   640 120
16 Trnbow RHB .150  0  64   640 120

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Willis LHP 2.63   7  9  6 165 178 198  49 115 142
02 PMrtnz RHP 2.82   9  5  7 168 172 195  40 113 140
03 Cordro RHP 1.82  10  4  6 171 175 193  15 142 146
04 Trnbow RHP 1.74   4  3  5 170 182 210  15 112 143

Bumpst

it's a shame, i almost entirely completed the ROM...then I stopped with like one or two teams left.  Now I feel like waiting for the 2006 season before I order a copy.  that or I might make a ROM with 10 different incarnations of the White Sox on it.

Did anyone actually play this? How does it play? Feedback? I'd be up for starting work on a Spring Training 2006 ROM if the formulas I used worked.

i never played it.  i still haven't figured out how one effectively pitchers on a ROM without use a controller.

i'll test it out... where is it?  i play numerous games on my keyboard and would go as far to say that i may be the #247 ranked player in the country playing on my computer.

How about an 83/84 ROM???

Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm?

Quote from: Teddyballgame on 03/29/06, 01:26:21 PM
i'll test it out... where is it?  i play numerous games on my keyboard and would go as far to say that i may be the #247 ranked player in the country playing on my computer.

It's posted a page earlier here: http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=9614.msg201054#msg201054 (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=9614.msg201054#msg201054).

And Strassy, what emulator are you using?

Quote from: Ryno on 03/29/06, 04:49:13 PM
How about an 83/84 ROM???

Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm?

Apparently, you didn't look here?: http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=9795.msg200350#msg200350 (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=9795.msg200350#msg200350)

Quote from: fightonusc on 03/29/06, 05:23:00 PM

Quote from: Teddyballgame on 03/29/06, 01:26:21 PM
i'll test it out... where is it?  i play numerous games on my keyboard and would go as far to say that i may be the #247 ranked player in the country playing on my computer.

It's posted a page earlier here: http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=9614.msg201054#msg201054 (http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=9614.msg201054#msg201054).

And Strassy, what emulator are you using?

i think i use the nesterjjjjjjj or whatever it's called.  i'm at the gym right now, so i can't check.  in conclusion, there's no reason that this post couldn't have waited until later, when i was actually at my computer.

If I can make it to dee-nee fest chicago, I will bring MY version of the 2005 cart.

i can't test anything until maybe tomorrow, what am i supposed to look for/critique?

If the pitchers/batters attributes seem to fit fairly close to the players in real life. Mainly, that there aren't any pitchers that are unreasonably unhittable to too weak, and if all the batters seem to be too fast/slow or powerful/weak hitting.