2005 ROM ratings thread

[TempoGL]

I just spent some time working on the White Sox roster for the 2005 version of RBI.  I saved my work as "2005 working ROM" on nightwulf's editor, so hopefully we can continue editing this ROM as more teams are added to the mix.  here's what I came up for the White Sox.  feel free to advise on necessary ratings changes, especially when it comes to pitching, I felt pretty lost there.

Data for team 1 (ChicagoSox):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Pdsdnk LHB .293  0  11   732 148
02 Iguchi RHB .278 15  16   788 142
03 Knerko RHB .283 40  15   930 120
04 Dye    RHB .271 30  18   904 134
05 Rowand RHB .271 13  17   861 138
06 Pznski LHB .256 18  20   867 124
07 Crede  RHB .252 22  18   872 128
08 Uribe  RHB .254 16  22   848 128
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09 Ozuna  RHB .276  0  16   735 144
10 Harris LHB .258  1  18   755 144
11 Evrett LHB .250 23  20   882 128
12 Perez  LHB .219  2  30   782 134

                    <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
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01 Burhle LHP 3.12   5  8 10 158 174 190  50 115 140
02 Garlnd RHP 3.50   6  8  5 162 178 188  44 113 143
03 Cotts  LHP 1.94   7  9  6 162 178 200  15 114 142
04 Hrmnsn RHP 2.04   8 10  7 156 172 184  15 116 139

also, are we going to make all star teams, or use two teams that didn't make the postseason - maybe some combination of Indians, A's, Phillies (teams that came close to the posteason) or maybe just popular teams that suck, like the Cubs.

I added a puhl.  If you want to vote for "other", post what you what "other" to be, and I will add it to the puhl.

[TbT]

2 things to note. 

1. Nate Nate Nate's wife just had a baby.

2. His newborn baby told him, to tell me, to tell yall that the Cubs need to be on that there RBI 2k5 game.  Talking babies anyways!

i dont really care i guess...an all star team is still gonna have Dee-Lee on it.  ask Ryno about it.

[Attezzobal]

I'd personally prefer two all star teams.

(Well, personally I'd prefer the D-Rays and Brew Crew, but I doubt many would agree on that).

We need a poll.

[TbT]

one more thing....on da phone yesterday, joe dirt eluded to but did not exactly say in so many werds that he might once again head up this "rom onto a cart" project.

so yes attez, a puhl is in order.

[Attezzobal]

I'm at work on the Yanks right now, I'm trying to base it as much on my own knowledge as on comparisons to Strassy's ChiSox ratings.

I knew I should have left my Neyer/James Pitcher's Guide in my car!!

[TempoGL]

puhl added.  I voted for the Royals (maybe Cubs as the second team, although I would also prefer to see the Brewers)

my reasoning for this is that playing as the Royals could provide a serious challenge to a seasoned player against a new player.  also, if you are playing a peer of your's, you could taunt them by selecting the Royals (and possibly winning)

[Attezzobal]

For the Yankees I put together...

Data for team 1 (Yankees):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
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01 Jeter     RHB .309 19  11   800  144
02 Ardrgz RHB .321 48  8    965  142
03 Giambi LHB .271 32  16  945  118
04 Shfld   RHB .291 34  14   955  138
05 Matsui LHB .305 23  12  855 126
06 Posada LHB .262 19 24   825 122
07 Wllms  LHB .249 12  28  810  132
08 RCano  RHB .297 14  16  830 130
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09 Sierra LHB    .229  4  24     810  124
10 Mrtnez  LHB .241 17 20    814  120
11 Lawton LHB .254 13 18    824   144
12 Womack LHB .249 0 18    760   144


                 <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
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01 Jhnson LHP 3.79  3    8 8    175 190 210  50 115 140
02 Mssina RHP 4.41  5  10 9   162 178 190  40 113 143
03 Gordn  RHP 2.57   7  9  6    162 185 200  17 114 142
04 Rivera  RHP 1.38 4  8  8     180 192 214  19 116 139

[Attezzobal]

I'd vote D-Rays if it was an option, I think the D-Rays would give 2005 RBI a team very similar to Saint Louis (and I know there are a bunch who love St. Loius, myself included). They're fast, got a bit of power in the middle (Cantu/Huff) and have a pitcher similar to Tudor in Scott Kazmir, not to mention a lights out closer in Danys Baez (who also has a masters degree in physics).

[BeefMaster]

Comments on both teams...

My rough original baselines for 2k5 (adjusted based on OBP, what I knew of the player, SLG, and AB - no explicit formula was used, and speed was based on my knowledge of the player, with a glance at SB and 3B numbers, including minor-league, if I was unfamiliar):

Cnt
.300 ~ 10
.275 ~ 20
.250 ~ 25-30

Pwr
10 HR ~ 800
20 HR ~ 850
30 HR ~ 875
40 HR ~ 900+

Sox: I like your ratings, especially the speed ones.  I'd up the contact ratings a bit on some of the players and lower some of the power numbers - seems like a lot of 800+ and 850+ guys, considering their homerun totals.

Yanks: The power numbers for the 3-5 batters seem really high, especially for Sheffield and Giambi (I'd probably go with something like 940, 885, 895).  Lawton and Sheffield's speed values seem high to me, but I admittedly haven't watched the Yankees much this season, so I don't know how much they were running.  Oh, and Womack is too good (apart from his speed).  They guy may have been the worst non-Guzman in the majors this year, and you have him better than Julio Franco.  I'd also lower the screwball values for some of the pitchers - 8/8 CL/CR seems a bit unrealistic for a pitcher who doesn't actually throw a screwball (not that I think Mo's too good - he deserves to be as good as you can make him).

[erhajj]

Good job so far.

I would really like for the A's to be included but I would understand if people voted otherwise.  I probably would not get it if the A's were not in there. 

[ultimate7]

Pwr
10 HR ~ 800
20 HR ~ 850
30 HR ~ 875
40 HR ~ 900+

Sox: I like your ratings, especially the speed ones. I'd up the contact ratings a bit on some of the players and lower some of the power numbers - seems like a lot of 800+ and 850+ guys, considering their homerun totals.

I agree that the White Sox have too much power (Uribe is too high for sure, also AJ, Rowand, Creded should all be lower (probably Pods also).  

Beef's chart should refer to players that played a full season, not to PH and the like, I don't think Lawton should have more power than Sierra, but Sierra's contact needs to be way higher.

[Attezzobal]

As far as pitchers, it's tough to give Randy Johnson and Mo Rivera an advantage if you go based on how they throw. If it was based truly on their pitch selection Randy Johnson would have almost no CrvR, and more CrvL, but still very little curve and it would make him no better than Berenger, same for Rivera, since he only really uses a cutter/fastball combo, he'd be almost the same as Berenger, and pretty easy to hit. I'd be in favor of changing Johnson to a side armer and dropping his curve ratings (or, whatever everyone else wants to do) to express how dominant he can be (which, you can make a case for making him not nearly as good as he would have been on a 2004 ROM).

As for power numbers, Giambi is most likely a bit skewed because of his dominance in the past month (plus when I saw him at Camden Yards Friday he hit the longest HR I've ever seen, almost hit the warehouse). Sheffield however, I think is fairly accurate, he's got the most power on the team (in my opinion), and when he gets ahold of one it's usually to or over the wall. But again, these are just my opinions and I'm not dead set one way or the other, more just trying to get the ball rolling.

I'll see if I can get OctoFranco to come do the Braves, since he listens or watches at least 140 Braves games a year.

[TempoGL]

after looking at more ratings, i agree with what beefy said on the white sox.  i have to go to work soon, but can (and hopefully will) work on modifying those ratings tonight when i get home.  good to see the wheels turning on this project.  in the next few days, I may try and work on some of the teams that don't really have a dee-nee fan base (padres?)

[BeefMaster]

Beef's chart should refer to players that played a full season, not to PH and the like, I don't think Lawton should have more power than Sierra, but Sierra's contact needs to be way higher.

I half-typed a response that made that part clear earlier but accidentally hit the back button and lost it.  That explains why, for example, in the original ROM Justin Morneau has 40-homer pop despite only 19 homers - he hit those 19 in a half-season.  If only I'd known that the other half was only worth 3...

[OctoFranco]

Data for team 3 (Atlanta):
No  Name    R/L   Avg  HR  Cnt Pwr  Spd
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01 Furcal   LHB  .284  12  18  795  146
02 Giles    RHB  .291  15  18  834  138
03 CJones   LHB  .296  21  16  895  132
04 AJones   RHB  .263  51  24  955  130
05 LaRche   LHB  .259  20  27  851  124
06 Fnceur   RHB  .300  14  12  867  134
07 Lngrhs   LHB  .267  8   22  835  128
08 Estrda   LHB  .261  4   25  810  120

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09 Orr      LHB  .300  1   14  744  143
10 KJhnsn   LHB  .244  9   30  825  130
11 McCann   LHB  .278  5   20  820  124
12 Franco   RHB  .275  9   20  833  132


Pitcher edit (10-12-05):

No  Name    R/L  ERA   Sf   Sr   Ss  Cl  Cr  Dr  En
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01 Smoltz   RHP  3.06  204  188  153  10  6  10  50
02 Hudson   RHP  3.52  194  168  147  8   7  6   50
03 Ritsma   RHP  3.93  190  164  145  7   5  7   15
04 Fnswth   RHP  1.98  208  177  173  5   3  4   15




I tried to be honest with these guys, and frankly they just come out sucking.  Not one individual stat of any player on the Braves (other than AJones) is impressive.  The problem with the Braves is that clutch hitting, good fundamentals, and team chemistry can't factor into their RBI version...  For the record, I also factored strikeouts into the contact rating.

Pitching is going to be an even more difficult task but I'll try to get to that soon.  I was thinking of giving Smoltz/Hudson a lot of stamina since of any team's one-two punch, they probably have the highest average IP/game in the majors, but I don't see how I could make it much higher than what's already been made for the other teams...

I'm so looking forward to playing this ROM when it's done.

[JoeDirt]

feel free to advise on necessary ratings changes, especially when it comes to pitching, I felt pretty lost there.

I'm at work on the Yanks right now, I'm trying to base it as much on my own knowledge as on comparisons to Strassy's ChiSox ratings.

This concerns me.  One guy says he's making a ROM but is lost, so the other guy says he's basing his ROM off of the ROM of the lost guy...

[Attezzobal]

I think so far the Braves are the best representative of their talent.

That's cool that you based mine and Strassy's results on the finished work that we posted, and not just our base statements. Bravo.

[Stock]

I am working on a 2005 ROM (I am almost done).
I included the 8 playoff teams (except for the Padres since they don't deserve it... included my favorite team in their place-brew crew) and 2 all-star teams (the best players (IMO) from each league that are not one of the playoff teams.

I will be having that canadien dude make me a couple of ROMs.  I will be giving to my best man as part of his groomsmen gift at my wedding.  He has no idea this even possible to do this.. so he should be surprised.

[Attezzobal]

You should place the Groomsmen and yourself, along with a few others in the wedding part, on one of the all star teams.

[fknmclane]

Your best man is gonna go nuts.  If I had no clue any of this shit was possible and someone handed me an updated version of RBI I'd damn near lose my mind I'd be so excited.

And Attabozzle is right. That's an even better idea.