RBI Theory: Forced Errors

[japetus462]

I was thinking of something today, sort of a theory.

Does the computer only allow a team a set amount of errors a game?

If so, then forcing errors after the play (i.e making the first basemen throw the ball into the stands after an out) would be a good idea.

[Baines]

I don't think that this would be true b/c some of my friends and I throw the ball into the stands after every putout with no runners on and haven't really seen a change in bops.  Some of the people we play with don't do it and the  amount of bops is still pretty much the same.

[ultimate7]

I also think this theory is false

[fknmclane]

This is a totally bogus theory.  We play the error game where an out at first must be immediately be thrown into the wall, hence making errors every inning.  Last night, I had 6, count `em, 6 bops made by the computer.  Fucking killed me.  They accounted for 9 runs.  I still won the game but I just about had a damn heart attack.

[sucka free]

damn 6 bops...thats rough

[Baines]

Bops always come back to fuck me.  I was playing SalBando one time and had two down in the bottom of the ninth and a 2 run lead.  I had 2 consecutive bops on infield popups so of course Jim Lindeman hits a walk off on the next pitch.  Why is it that after a bop, the next batter never makes an out?  You just know that the runner who gets on is always going to score.  Always.

[japetus462]

theory: denied

[RockRaines4life]

we notice that Detroit by far gets the most bops...has anybody else noticed this?

I think this subject has been discussed before but I must admit that I think Detroit makes more Bops than any other squad.  We sometimes call them "error prone Detroit."

[doveRBI]

I think this is a primitive form of "computer assistance."  Detroit bombs so they also bop.

[fknmclane]

Funny you should mention it.  The team I played with last night that committed 6 bops was Detroit.  Fuck Trammell and Whitaker.  They should play together another 20 years to get their damn fielding together.

[BDawk]

I think the game makes up for Detroit's stellar hitting with shitty fielding.

[SmokedUBad13]

Nothing new, I think Japetus462's theory (about the computer only allowing a set amount of errors for a team per game) is false.

I don't know how anybody can claim that Detroit commits more errors than any other team out there.  From our experience, Detroit dominates pitching, defense (fielding), and batting.

I don't think any team commits more errors than the rest.  But if I had to guess... California, Houston, St. Louis, & Boston in that order.

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[Baines]

Through experience, I believe Boston is responsible for a shit ton of errors also.  I have always thought that when you bring in subs to field a completely different position (Armas for Owen at short) that it hurts.

[SmokedUBad13]

I never thought about how subbing players in wrong positions could attribute to an increase in errors.  Excellent point Baines.

Have we proven that players on the field are the same players who bat and occupy the same position on the field?  Also, are their outfielding skills really attributed by who they are?  Or is this all just random?

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[Baines]

I really have no factual evidence to back this up, just a theory.  I would think that it matters who is in the field b/c it really seems like some players have a hell of a lot better arm or more speed than others.  Again, nothing to back this up, just pure speculation.

[SmokedUBad13]

Defender speed varies for certain.  This is proven by 'racing' your defenders across field.  There is an obvious difference in speeds which is probably based off the A-E speed rating each player has.

Therefore, the question is whether arm strength and errors are dependent upon the individual defender.  I think these two atrributes would be hard to prove since they aren't as easily measured as speed.

Based off the specific speed for each defender, I would tend to think that errors and arm strength would differ as well.  That is, if the programmers even factored arm strength and errors into their abilities.

Or it may just all be random.

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[Gantry]

I'm going to have to disagree.  I see nothing that even gives any of the players a position, let alone a speed or arm rating in the field.  I don't think any team BOPs more than any other and all fielders have the same arm.  I have not proven any of this, but I can't be convinced otherwise...

Perhaps one day when nightwulf and I dip into the code a bit more it'll finally be solved.  But from what I see, there are no "positions" or defensive rating in RBI, everyone is just a generic fielder...

[SmokedUBad13]

Gantry,

When you talk about speed, are you saying that all players' speeds in the outfield are the same?  Or are you saying that a player's speed in the outfield has nothing to do with who the player is or his position?

Because I question arm strength and errors.  But I think it's blatently obvious about how they run, more like walk, at different speeds.

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[Baines]

I would like to see you check out the code and see if this is true.  Like I said, I have no factual evidence, just speculation.

[BeefMaster]

From what I've seen of the RBI code, it appears that all fielders are the same, as there's nowhere in the ROM where defensive values are stored.  I suppose it is possible for a team to be different - checking that would require finding out what value is loaded when checking for errors and making sure it's the same for every team.  I doubt they went to the trouble of changing it, though.

RBI 2 and 3 have very rudimentary positions (every player is an IF, OF, or C).  Supposedly error rates increase if you don't have 4 IFs, 3 OFs, and a C playing at the same time, but I've played that way sometimes and never really noticed a difference.