all-time Sox and Cardinal teams (SI)

[fknmclane]

SI's Alltime Red Sox Team
Pos.    Player    Years with Boston
C    Carlton Fisk    1969, '71-80
1B    Jimmie Foxx    1936-42
2B    Bobby Doerr    1937-44, '46-51
SS    Nomar Garciaparra    1996-2004
3B    Wade Boggs    1982-92
OF    Ted Williams    1939-42, '46-60
OF    Carl Yastrzemski    1961-83
OF    Jim Rice    1974-89
P    Roger Clemens    1984-96
Mgr.    Joe Cronin    1935-47



SI's Alltime Cardinals Team
Pos.    Player    Years with St. Louis
C    Ted Simmons    1968-80
1B    Mark McGwire    1997-2001
2B    Rogers Hornsby    1915-26, '33
SS    Ozzie Smith    1982-96
3B    Ken Boyer    1955-65
OF    Stan Musial    1941-44, '46-63
OF    Lou Brock    1964-79
OF    Joe Medwick    1932-40, '47-48
P    Bob Gibson    1959-75
Mgr.    Billy Southworth    1929, '40-45

[ultimate7]

More or less agrees with RBI Arcade teams

STL has Jack Clark and Curt Flood in place of McGwire(before he was a Cardinal) and Medwick(bench)

Note that apparently Musial should be OF and Jack Clark 1B on Dee-nee.com

Boston has Burleson and Fred Lynn in place of Rice(bench) and Garciaparra (not yet playing)

[dvldog]

Arcade RBI - Cardinals
C    Ted Simmons
1B  Jack Clark
2B  Rogers Hornsby
SS  Ozzie Smith
3B  Ken Boyer
OF  Lou Brock
OF  Stan Musial
OF  Curt Flood
P    Bob Gibson

Arcade RBI - Red Sox
C   Carlton Fisk
1B  Jimmie Foxx
2B  Bobby Doer
SS  Rick Burleson
3B  Wade Boggs
OF  Ted Williams
OF  Carl Yastrzemski
OF  Fred Lynn
P    Luis Tiant


EDIT:  switched Jack Clark and Stan Musial

[dvldog]

Note that apparently Musial should be OF and Jack Clark 1B on Dee-nee.com

Stan Musial
OF - 1890 Games  (65%)
1B - 1016 Games  (35%)

Jack Clark
OF - 1039 Games  (64%)
1B - 581 Games  (36%)


It's pretty close.

[Gantry]

Looking at br, the years Clark played with the cards were almost all at 1B, while during the 1948 & 1951 seasons (where Musials stats come from) Musial played mostly OF.  So I'm switching them...

[dvldog]

those numbers i posted were career stats - i didn't even think to separate career stats from team stats.

my bad.

[Gantry]

No prob, if I didn't see your stats I wouldn't have looked further into it.  The right positions are  up now, that's all that matters...

[fightonusc]

The Red Sox SI team looks pretty good, although I would question Nomar at SS - especially for the taste that he left in the fans' mouths. I certainly could make a case for Joe Cronin instead of Nomar - a better fielder, and a much better hitter compared to other SS of his era. I suppose you could make a case that his "peak years" were with Washington, but he still put up very good numbers in his 10+ seasons with the Red Sox. Certainly, he should have been the Arcade Red Sox SS ahead of Burly Sack.

I might make a case for Tris Speaker ahead of Rice or Lynn - again, he played part of his career in Cleveland, but he had some great years in Boston, including winning two World Series and his only MVP. He is No. 3 in BoSox history in team hits. I could make a case for Dwight Evans ahead of Rice as well, but the numbers are pretty close, if slightly tilted in Rice's favor; that one is based more on longevity and the fact that Dewey was so beloved by Boston fans and was on the field for both the 1975 and 1986 World Series games.

[BeefMaster]

I'm with you on Speaker.  His big problem is that he played most of his career in the dead-ball era, and his HR numbers are miniscule compared to the other guys.  Even then, he managed to slug .567 one year and .500 for his career, which is great even by today's standards.  Also, he played CF, while I seem to recall that all the guys in the SI lineup were LFs.  It seems silly to have three left fielders in your starting lineup; what if a lefthanded pull hitter comes up?

[fightonusc]

To be really picky, I might go with Red Schoendienst as the Stl manager. Although Southgate is the only Cardinals manager to win two World Series, Red Schoendienst did win one, managed more games and had more wins than any Cardinals manager, and was a Hall of Fame player for the Cardinals as well.