Madlock for Nokes? Gives the pitcher a different look at a key spot.

[TbT]

basically gives you a righty to vary the line-up with the same power, and little more speed.  not that Maddy is a blazer by any means.

I havent messed with it, but noticed its an option on my note page.  still leaves you good options to sub for herndon (all of which are upgrades).  However the butterfly effect occurs later and gives you diminished power for late game pinch hitter bonus if you work your way down past Heath/Sheridan to Bergman because of it.

I'll gets Nates arse in gear this week, and try er out.

[Metal King]

He has just about as much power as Fatty Matty, I never take out Nokes though.

I always leave Herndon in for one atbat.  Same for Whitaker and sometimes Lemon, and I put in Sheridan and Heath for those guys.

Four straight lefties would be cool though (Gibson, Evans, Nokes, Sheridan), and imagine if you put Bergman, another lefty, in for Lemon, then Whitaker up next is a lefty...geez, that'd be 6 lefties in a row!  Then you'd have two righties (Trammell & Brookens) holding them together on each side.  Or Heath/Madlock for Brooksie, whatever's your pleasure.

Which team do you think has the overall best hitting bench of the 10?  It's really hard to say.  But I'll go with a tie between Detroit & Boston (Armas isn't supposed to have 43 hr but that's what's there).

[TbT]

back in the day i wasnt as good with lefty batters for some reason, so this move would benefit someone who struggles with lefties.

also some people have better luck in certain match-ups based on which hand the pitcher throws with, so this might help exploit that.

for the bench Id say boston for a couple reasons
they flat out have more power(besides sullivan), and also thier bench plays a huge roll in making them a rediculously heavy hitting team.  Det is close though.

Cal has an awesome bench, cause it really beefs up the lineup as well to put them in a class with Bos and Det.  Not as good as the others, but it really closes the gap.

[Attezz]

He has just about as much power as Fatty Matty, I never take out Nokes though.

I always leave Herndon in for one atbat.  Same for Whitaker and sometimes Lemon, and I put in Sheridan and Heath for those guys.

Why on Earth would you ever take Lemon out?

I think I've taken him out twice, ever, and that's when it's a late inning and I've got a guy on first and could really use a lefty hit.

I've been having tons of success with Heath lately, I think he'll become my permanent Herndon replacement.

[TbT]

theres a decent upgrade with sheridan, and a marginal upgrade with heath with both coming in the 1st at bat, but thats it.

DET is an interesting team due to the amount of power they have and the amount of players that can be replaced late for a 1 at bat spot.

[JoeDirt]

TBT, don't mess with a winning formula.

[BeefMaster]

He has just about as much power as Fatty Matty, I never take out Nokes though.

I always leave Herndon in for one atbat.  Same for Whitaker and sometimes Lemon, and I put in Sheridan and Heath for those guys.

Why on Earth would you ever take Lemon out?

I think I've taken him out twice, ever, and that's when it's a late inning and I've got a guy on first and could really use a lefty hit.

I've been having tons of success with Heath lately, I think he'll become my permanent Herndon replacement.

I second this - I can't see taking Lemon out at all.  He's always been very good for me.

I looked up the numbers, and putting in Heath for Lemon gives you a whopping 1 extra point of power with the PH bonus.  After that, you've lost 63 points of power.  Putting Sheridan there is slightly better, but still a sizeable downgrade for every AB after the first.

[fknmclane]

I've never taken Lemon out either and don't ever plan to.

My reading comprehension may suck, but if Madlock is subbed in for Nokes, then who is subbed in for Herndon?  Is the Madlock for Nokes substitution really the best lineup that can be put on the field?  Sure it may be a different look but you can't really argue with having BOTH Nokes and Madlock in the lineup.

It seems silly to bench Nokes' power just for a different look but I'm willing to listen...or read TBT's post again.

[TbT]

madlock is equal to nokes

and sheridan/heath are easily by a wide margin better than herdon.  problem solved.

[JoeDirt]

I'm not following, TB...

[TbT]

i was answering mclanes question

[fknmclane]

madlock is equal to nokes

and sheridan/heath are easily by a wide margin better than herdon.  problem solved.

Right, Madlock and Nokes are equal.  But Madlock is better than both Sheridan and Heath, correct?  That's what I'm getting at when I say put the best team on the field.

[TbT]

ok i favor righty batters, so this could benefit me.  and nobody else.

that is all.

[fknmclane]

ok i favor righty batters, so this could benefit me.  and nobody else.

that is all.

Not trying to call your methods retarded or anything TBT. Obviously, do whatever puts you in the best position to win.

While Nokes is one of the more maddening players in the game in terms of consistency, batting Madlock after him rather than for him works better for me.

But let us know if it works for you.  After all, you are my sleeper pic to win the COTUT (it would be awesome if it came down to you and JoeD...pupil vs teacher.)

[TbT]

I'm always just trying to keep analyzing the game.  looking for a possible new angle or whatever.

While I dont think I'd use this method in a set in stone way, i might use it during a particular match-up vs a pitcher where it could benefit me.   

joe and i both prefer to use a righty batter when facing a righty pitcher and vice versa.  so i'll run some tests and see what happens.  with Madlock and Heath it gives me 2 more righties in the line-up.  But lately i dont struggle with lefty batters like i used to. 

[ultimate7]

Madlock > Nokes

I remember the first time I played Beales and he PH Heath for Nokes his first AB, I was shocked, but then I tried to remember Nokes ever doing much for me and I couldn't remember him doing anything clutch

[TbT]

back in the day before dirts teachings at the columbutt tourney i used to go for quantity over quality.  meaning id use pinch hitters in a manner to upgrade at as many spots in the lineup as possible.  dirt showed me how he did subs and it changed my thinking, but heres what i did.

SF for example i would put spiers in for uribe to get more power there.  the general consensus though  is to have spilman bat 1st.  he has the most power, and thus you want him geting as many at bats as possible.  so basically i had some goofy ideas about how to make a line-up.

then for the other subs i would put in spilman for brenley and upgrade there, and then lastly id put in youngblodd for thompson.  so in effect in the old way, i got more power from 3 different spots.  at columbutt i believe spilman did jack one out late in a game in brenleys spot vs gdavis to basically seal the deal, so it worked that time.  malnu said i had some questionable or crazy managerial tactics    when he saw my lineup.

nowadays its spillman for uribe, and spiers or youngblodd for thompson, and thats it till later in the game.  spilman gets an extra at bat for sure, as opposed to the old days. 

so this post is kinda harkening back to the old days of tweaking out a line-up.  im not realy rethinking anything per se, but now looking to get as many righty vs righty and lefty vs lefty matchup as possible, without losing too much in the power department.  the problem is theres a significant difference of like 30 points between madlock and heath, so your almost forced into using sheridan for herndon if you used madlock for nokes.  so that basically just tosses another lefty in there, and defeates the purpose.

[JoeDirt]

TBT, I think the question is--what do you do with the 7th spot?  If you keep Whitaker in, then perhaps your solution is to let Madlock sub for Herdon and then Heath for Whitaker?

[TbT]

ive always left whitaker in.  my normal plan is madlock for herndon, and thats it. 

that leaves sheridan and heath able to effectively sub for about 4 different dudes in a pinch later on which i think is a good deal.

[JoeDirt]

Well, then if you're looking for a different look to the Dt lineup, then consider Heath for Whitaker vs R SP...I wouldn't do this against a lefty SP, but against a R, I recommend it.  In the case of L, I'd let Heath wait for the R P to enter for a situational PH in the 7th spot...