Just Joined First Post- My Best Winners Rom! :D

[obiwanobiwan]

 Hey folks, just joined today, love playing RBI Baseball (though my actually WINNING a game is another story, I'm a defensive liability and a boom-orbust guy at the plate, good ptcher, though.)

So the Mets are my team all the way, 150%, through thick, thin, and late season collapses. 

And I'm a baseball historian of sorts, so one day made a ROM for the best World Series Winners, best team from each decade of the modern era (1903 on) with the exception of the '40s, because many teams and players lost a lot of time due to the war, and I needed to cut out one decade to make it fit ten decade for ten teams, so I cut out the '40s (sorry to any Indians fans.)

Halfway done, five out of ten teams are done.

Feel free to comment and tell me to change, but two notes: I don't make doubles of a franchise, otherwise the Yankees would have about 7 of the 10 teams, so fans of the Yanks will have to miss out on some great players and settle for Ruth and Gehrig in the 1927 team; also, five will be from the AL and five will be from the NL for balance, going to make a tourney of this, a mini pennant chase when the Roms done and the winner of each pennant will play a standard 7-game Series.  And you won't find doubles of players, two on two rosters, so sorry 1915 Red Sox- no dice, the Babe goes to the Yanks.

And the teams are:
1907 Cubs (Tinker to Evers to Chance)
1912 Red Sox (The beginning of dynasty that would end with the rise of-)
1927 Yankees (A popular choice for best team ever)
1934 Cardinals (AKA "The Gashouse Gang")
1954 Giants (The Giants and Willie in their finest hour, if you were looking for the Dodgers-)

Still to be completed:
1965 Dodgers (-look no farther, with the best pitching season ever and Sand and Drysdale a killer combo)
1974 Athletics (Reggie and Catfish, before they turned evil and went to the Bronx)
1986 Mets (YES!  My team, the Doc, Straw and Mookie a mixture of speed, hitting, GREAT pitching, and sadly, drugs)
1991 Twins (If you were expecting the '87 Twins, this team's good too- no Yankees teams, sorry.)
2005 White Sox (Would've loved the REd Sox here but no doubles, and no Phillies that would give the NL more)

A good start, I hope, at least.

Analysis of teams so far:
1907 CUBS

From reading the main page, a team those four founders would probably find infuriating- ten games, and this team's mustered two HRs!  It WAS 1907, the Deadball Era, but this team also gets the most singles and "beaten out" hits of any other team, and Three Finger Brown is a sharp pitcher usually good for 7 or so.  Which is good, because, as strange as it is to say this about a Cubs team, the name of the game here is small-ball.

1912 RED SOX

A very solid team, and, in my opinion, the second best team out of the five already made so far.  A stacked lineup featuring most the dynasty players from the 1910's Red Sox teams in their first WS winning year.  Slower than other teams on the bases, but plenty of pop in the bats; they can hit homers pretty consistently one in a groove, and
Tris Speaker is like the Willie Mays of his day.  The only flaws- a slow team and an average bullpen.

1927 YANKEES

Ruth, Gehrig, and the Murderer's Row- that's about all that needs to be said.  Honestly- every player except for the pitcher is a pretty good-God-like hitter, and if I've failed to see a game yet where Ruth and Gehrig don't knock in at least 6 or so runs by themselves.  This is also the team that, for some reason, makes the most of those diving catches (is there any reason for that?)  Pitching's solid; the players are slow and the D's a bit spotty sometimes, but it is a RARE occasion the offense and starting pitching can't make up for those tiny flaws.

1934 CARDINALS

The team that gives ME the most headaches trying to play as them.  They are insanely talented, but they just can't all seem to play great in the same game.  Pepper Martin, Frankie Frisch, Joe Medwick, Dizzy Dean- these guys can hit the longball, rap out singles, race around the bases, shut down an opponent, play great D- just not at the same time...........

1954 GIANTS

Very possibly the most offense-dependant team.  It's not that the pitchers aren't good, they're solid- but also rather average on the whole, and this is a league of great teams and heroes and Hall of Famers, so the G-Men often get rocked and they've needed an early pitching change the most of any team sor far.  But those first six hitters-
Alvin Dark, Don Mueller, Willie "The Say Hey Kid" Mays, Monte Irvin, Hank Thompson, and Whitey Lockman- are golden, almost a second Murderer's Row in this game, ESPECIALLY Willie Mays, who, as long as he does't strike out or fly out, will almost always get a base hit, and usually an extra base hit and an RBI at that.


So that's that so far, the 1965 Dodgers are next, fun being on the forums and....... anyone? lol

Shalom!   

[GDavis]

Shalom!   

I like the cut of your jib

[BDawk]

I think we've already hit our Jew quota. Ever think of converting to muslim? I don't think we have any of them. Should be fun with I hate retards and all

[Re-Peat]

Welcome!

This sounds like an awesome rom. 

No 82 brewers though?  Just sayin...  Rollie Finger's 'stache would look tight in 8-bit.

[Mr. Blubbo]

No offense but the what the hell are the 2005 White Sox doing on this list?  I'm a White Sox fan and all, but they are probably the worst team to win the World Series in the last 2-3 decades.

[Attezz]

Retard,

If the 91 Twins make the list, I will gladly throw down $5000 thousand dollars that the 2005 White Sox beat them.

You down?

[Gantry]

No offense but the what the hell are the 2005 White Sox doing on this list?  I'm a White Sox fan and all, but they are probably the worst team to win the World Series in the last 2-3 decades.

He said "(Would've loved the REd Sox here but no doubles, and no Phillies that would give the NL more)"  so staying AL only and not picking a team that is already represented leaves just the Sox and 2002 Angels.  I don't follow enough baseball to know who is "better" but that was his line of thinking.

And welcome to the forums, great first post! 

[ultimate7]

Retard,

If the 91 Twins make the list, I will gladly throw down $5000 thousand dollars that the 2005 White Sox beat them.

You down?

I'll bet the Twins if they get home field

[Darky]

Did Shitpaw create another account?

[obiwanobiwan]

Interesting reactions lol

First- who's Shitpaw, and whoever he is, I'm not him, and I don't think I want to be judging by the reaction.....

Second- it is 2002 Angels vs. 2005 White Sox; both were alright, not great teams by WS Winners standards, but still decent and better than others if I recall (I STILL think the 2006 Cardinals were one of the weakest winners in the last 25 years, execptof Pujos, that is; STILL can't quite believe the Mets lost like that, on a K with the bases loaded and two out in a one-run game, such a heartbreaker)

Anyway, I'll put it to you, haven't made them yet: 02 Angles or 05 White Sox (picked the Sox so that you could always have a Chicago-Chicago Series with the1907 Cubbies)?

Third- Sorry, but I don't think AT ALL the 1982 Brewers were better than the '86 Mets, that '86 team is one of the great ones, at least top 20 (top 10 if you only let maybe a couple Yankee teams on the list.)  Plus, I'm a Mets
die-hard, and though I grew up rooting for Piazza and Co., I want that great '86 team with Straw and Mookie and Gooden and Mex- speed, talent, drugs and all. 

Fourth- I use Nightwulf's RBI Editor, so sorry- no 'staches. 

And Fifth- the '90s was a bad decade for World Series teams: a season cancelled, 3 Series bought up by the Bankees- that leaves six, and the only memorable ones from that are the '91 Twins, having gone from worst to first again for the second time in four years,  and the '97 Marlins, just because they were a wildcard expansion team (and no NL here, it would upset the scale, plus: that team was a rental team, one year and then poof, half the players are gone by '98), so the '91 Twins are in basically because due to strikes, Yankees, and some crappy NL winners, they're the only salvageable team from the decade not based in New York, Atlanta, Chicago, or Miami.

The 1965 DODGERS are almost done, and here's how they look:

I thought that the Cubbies in 1907 would have the worst offense in the ROM- being in the deadball era, they have an excuse, and with their speed, defense, and tendancy to eek out more singles out of even the weakest grounders than any other tbullpen pieam, they have an offense that's at least functional, if not fabulous. But these Dodgers...... I know because of rule changes and great pitchers like Koufax, Gibson, and Seaver that the '60s was a low scoring decade, but these Dodgers literally sometimes have me wondering if they even NEED bats- they could just malk up to the plate and strikeout without them.  This is the WORST hitting team averagewise and contactwise, and are basically tied with the 1907 Cubs for least amount of power- in short, the '65 Dodgers have the weakest offense in the game- even the speed is somewhat lacking outside of Maury Wills and that Davis's, Tommy and Willie.  The saving grace of the team- the BEST pitching so far.  Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale are such great starters I haven't even made the two bullpen pitchers yet- and even THEY will be good, as the team had great pitchers all around. 

Basicallly, the 1965 Dodgers look to have a LOT of 2-0 or 2-1 or 3-2 games, with maybe single digit hits for both teams.  Koufax is so far the best pitcher in the game (he might stay that way, haven't thought about it much, but I don't think any of my other teams have a better pitcher.)

[Attezz]

2005 white sox were better than the 2002 Angels (and I'm not even sure TBG or Rack would argue that, and neither are White Sox fans).

That said, 2002 Angels are the better RBI team (single pitching isn't as important).

And I've kinda skimmed this thread, but it's VERY important that the 91 Twins make this ROM, and not just so we can have a "Bachelor of the year" in Scotty Erickson.

[BeefMaster]

'65 Dodgers are the only team to beat the Twins in Minnesota in a World Series.

You may want to upgrade their O a bit as an adjustment for the 60s-era offensive levels, but maybe a pitching-dependent team would be more fun.

Are you modifying the error levels in the ROM?  Who's good/bad so far?

[TβG]

if you have the 2002 angels, that's the only angels world series team in franchise history.  so there's that.  i can't say who was better.  vlady wasn't even on that team. lineup would be something like:

1 eckstein ss
2 erstad cf
3 anderson lf
4 salmon rf
5 glaus 3b
6 spiezio 1b
7 bmolina c
8 kennedy 2b

bench
b1 fullmer (dh)
b2 figgins
b3 wooten
b4 opalmiero
(benji gil?)


pitch
s1 rortiz
s2 jwashburn
r1 frodriguez
r2 percival

(other pitchers of note: start- kevin appier, john lackey, aaron sele (injured, not playoff); relief- brendan donnely, ben weber, scot schoeneweis)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?search=2002+angels

[obiwanobiwan]

So it's been a while.

I had to take a bit of time off- first a So. California-wide playoffs for drama clubs (four plays won, one from each of the four counties, and my club/team won, and took home the title) and then auditions for the new play.

But I'm back, and almost done with the '65 Dodgers.

I also had a thought- it's 5 teams for each league (AL, NL), so that's the 1907 Cubs, 1912 Red Sox, 1927 Yankees, 1934 Cardinals, 1954 NY Giants, 1965 Dodgers, and 1986 Mets for sure.

That leaves the 70's, 90's, and 00's in flux.

I had a thought:

The 1974 A's as the 70's team would rock, and the 70's A's were a dynasty.

But we need a NL team for the 2000's, and The Big Red Machine rocked the '70s, too.

And so a change is in order:

-The 1975 Reds are in
-The 1974 A's are out
-The 2005 White Sox are out
-The 2008 Phillies are in (grrrrr hate that team- looking foward to the '86 Mets smashing them.)

Comments?

[Shooty]

I guess I'm missing something.  How does your new lineup equate to 5 teams in each league?

AL: 1912 BoSox, 1927 Yanks, 1991 Twins

NL: 1907 Cubs, 1934 Cards, 1954 Giants, 1965 Dodgers, 1975 Reds, 1986 Mets, 2008 Phillies

You would need to go back to the A's and ChiSox instead of the Reds and Phillies, no?

[GDavis]

I had to take a bit of time off- first a So. California-wide playoffs for drama clubs (four plays won, one from each of the four counties, and my club/team won, and took home the title) and then auditions for the new play.

What does this mean?

[Shooty]

I had to take a bit of time off- first a So. California-wide playoffs for drama clubs (four plays won, one from each of the four counties, and my club/team won, and took home the title) and then auditions for the new play.

What does this mean?

He had Drama playoffs, dolt.

[TbT]

I think the awesome-ness of those 90s blue jay championship teams is being overlooked.

Cant remember, but what the fuck happened to the jays in 94?  they were teh suck.

[broiler]

how do they do the seeding in a drama playoffs?

[Attezz]

They save it for all the mothers.