Best Bench in RBI?

[Gantry]

EVERYONE!  Look how dumb MikeD is!

[edfan]

Ca has the best bench in the game (top to bottom), All-Stars included imo.

This struck me as odd...  Cali certainly has a top tier bench, but best?  I disagree.  What does everyone else think?

Ca has no weak spots in their bench.  Hendrick is the weakest link and he is typically good for at least a home run when you put him in.  Several teams have better individual players, for example:

Armas has more power off the bench, but I think that Ruppert is much better all around (Speed + power)


Jones > Armas; Wilfong < Burks; Burleson = Henderson; Hendrick > Sullivan
Jones < McGwire ; Wilfong > Molitor; Burleson > Seitzer; Hendrick = Franco
Jones < Murphy; Wilfong > Guerrero; Burleson = Gwynn; Kruk = Hendrick

Na is really the only team that comes even close as far as subs go

[Gantry]

You sir, are on crack.  Burleson is definitely not better than Hendrick, nor is he equal to Henderson.   And it ain't close...

[edfan]

I disagree.  Hendrick is a one-trick pony.  I usually either homer with him or it's an out.  Burleson has less power, but provides clutch hitting for me.  I usually leave him on the bench for late game heroics.  I give Hendrick the start (over Boone sometimes) because when he's on...he's on.  When he's off, though, I don't expect much.

[Gantry]

Still on crack...    Hendricks power rating is 60 points higher and Henderson's in 90 points higher, no clutch factor can trump that.   In fact, Burleson's power rating is the same as Sullivans - 789.  THE SAME AS SULLIVAN

[edfan]

Still on crack...    Hendricks power rating is 60 points higher and Henderson's in 90 points higher, no clutch factor can trump that.   In fact, Burleson's power rating is the same as Sullivans - 789.  THE SAME AS SULLIVAN

I honestly didn't know that about the power rankings.  I can only go by the games that I've played, so I guess it is more of a personal opinion based on anecdotal evidence rather than a scientific study.  I can appreciate the power ratings. 

Even if you switched it around, I could see giving the edge Hendrick < Henderson because of speed.  However, Burleson > Sullivan cannot be argued.

[Re-Peat]

Wilfong > Guerrero

Wait...  seriously?

[Gantry]

Agreed there - he's definitely better than Sullivan (speed and Sully's BRUTAL contact rating make him so bad) but I can't put him in Hendrick or Henderson's league at all. 

The big reason you like Burly better imo is because you save him for a clutch AB late in the game.  This has two effects:

1)  Virtually every time he bats with you he gets the PH bonus, while Hendrick gets 75% of his ABs without it
2)  You save him for important, clutch situations where his impact and the bonus inflate his worth

I think if you put Burleson in the same spot where you normally put Hendrick and save Hendrick for PH boost, clutch situations only you'll quickly see who the better player is. 

[edfan]

Jones > Armas; Wilfong < Burks; Hendrick < Henderson (speed factor); Burleson > Sullivan
Jones < McGwire ; Wilfong > Molitor; Hendrick > Seitzer; Burleson = Franco
Jones < Murphy; Wilfong > Guerrero; Hendrick = Gwynn (power and speed cancel out); Burleson = Franco

Taking into account Gantry's squabbling, I still stand by my statement that Ca has the most best bench in the game

Totally unscientific, but it is how I see it and play the game

[edfan]

Wilfong > Guerrero

Wait...  seriously?

I rarely even sub him in except for the pitcher.  Just like in real life, lots of potential, but not much there.  Wilfong is a great sub.  Power, speed and contact

[bigbrothermuscle]

WILFONG! Best all around bench player. Scorches EVERYONE on this board.

[Re-Peat]

Wilfong > Guerrero

Wait...  seriously?

I rarely even sub him in except for the pitcher.  Just like in real life, lots of potential, but not much there.  Wilfong is a great sub.  Power, speed and contact

Wilfong - 816, 132, 29
Pedro - 849, 128, 12

Wilfong is slightly faster and a lefty, Pedro has better power and much, much better contact. 

I'll take Pedro any day.

[edfan]

Wilfong > Guerrero

Wait...  seriously?

I rarely even sub him in except for the pitcher.  Just like in real life, lots of potential, but not much there.  Wilfong is a great sub.  Power, speed and contact

Wilfong - 816, 132, 29
Pedro - 849, 128, 12

Wilfong is slightly faster and a lefty, Pedro has better power and much, much better contact. 

I'll take Pedro any day.

Like I said before, I can only base it off of my experience.  I know that Pedro SHOULD have much better power.  However, I rarely have success with him.  I have always had success with Wilfong, though.  I was just giving my opinion as to why I felt that Ca had the best bench.  I totally respect anyone else's opinion on it, especially since you are backing it up with power ratings.  So much of this stuff is personal preference.  Not trying to convert anyone here 

[Gantry]

Rule #1 of dee-nee:  your opinion is wrong.  imo

[Re-Peat]

Wilfong > Guerrero

Wait...  seriously?

I rarely even sub him in except for the pitcher.  Just like in real life, lots of potential, but not much there.  Wilfong is a great sub.  Power, speed and contact

Wilfong - 816, 132, 29
Pedro - 849, 128, 12

Wilfong is slightly faster and a lefty, Pedro has better power and much, much better contact. 

I'll take Pedro any day.

Like I said before, I can only base it off of my experience.  I know that Pedro SHOULD have much better power.  However, I rarely have success with him.  I have always had success with Wilfong, though.  I was just giving my opinion as to why I felt that Ca had the best bench.  I totally respect anyone else's opinion on it, especially since you are backing it up with power ratings.  So much of this stuff is personal preference.  Not trying to convert anyone here 

I understand personal preferences, nad my own is to better contact.  Most people want power and nothing else but I love players with great contact...  Boggs and Puckett are a couple of my favorites.  Gwynn and Franco have good contact but almost no power whatsoever so they don't count.  Guys like Pedro, on the other hand, have enough power with great contact to make them sneaky sluggers, which I like.

I like Wilfong fine as a leadoff guy, I'm just not a huge fan.

[edfan]

Rule #1 of dee-nee:  your opinion is wrong.  imo

Coming from a guy who claims that Sheridan > Madlock, I agree...your opinion is wrong imo.  Everyone else is entitled to their opinion, though

[Gantry]

Your jib is poorly cut....

[edfan]

Your jib is poorly cut....yet I find myself liking it

[BDawk]

Rule #1 of dee-nee:  your opinion is wrong.  imo

Coming from a guy who claims that Sheridan > Madlock, I agree...your opinion is wrong imo.  Everyone else is entitled to their opinion, though

You had to go there.  You just couldn't leave well enough alone. 

You called down the thunder, well now your have it.  You tell the others Sheridan's coming.  You tell em I'm coming and hell's coming with me. You hear?

[Gantry]

YES!