WHy is every RBI 3 rom "blacked out" ??

[Gantry]

Greeter - you can also zip the file and attach here.

[The Greeter]

Figure everyone here has plenty of original RBI (original, ROMs, etc).

But for those having trouble finding RBI2/RBI3, attached are ZIP files of each.  Run with any reasonable NES emulator.  Have tested both of these on VirtuaNES (http://virtuanes.s1.xrea.com:8080/) work fine.

Now if only we could get the graphics of RBI into some of the advance features of RBI2/RBI3........

[Gantry]

I just realized taht I had both on the ROMs page

[BeefMaster]

I think the ROMs page might also have one hacked by Nightwulf, in which he enabled the '85 Cardinals - their code is included in the game but they were apparently accidentally omitted from the team selection screen.

I'd note that many of the RBI 3 ROMs floating around the internet have a problem in the '87 Tigers - the power byte for Alan Trammell got screwed up and is something like 35000.

[thalivest]

What do you like about RBI 3 vs. the original?

My answers to this:

- All 26 teams, plus all those division winners (even though some of them had some missing players)
- Full 24-man rosters
- DH support
- 7-game series with changing home teams (I think)
- Jumping/diving (I'll acknowledge this isn't a plus in everyone's eyes)
- An "end boss" team
- Home run distances
- Configurable hard mode (which was slightly harder, although still not a tremendous challenge) and mercy rule

Not all of them are hugely important, but they're all reasons why I prefer RBI 3 to the original.  Some of those have been added to the original with hacks, but they weren't native to the game, and they obviously weren't around when I was forming my opinion on the games as a kid.

Random observation - In addition to the DH, RBI 2/3 have positions for players (just IF/OF/C, nothing more specific).  I've always assumed that having too few of a position causes an increase in team error rate, but I haven't really noticed it in practice.

I can see that. In later versions RBI 93 and 94 I liked the authorized stadiums as well as batting stances. I remember Rickey Henderson's crouch. Also for single player a full season and 7 game playoffs and world series. Plus specific fielding positions (i.e. 1B, SS, LF) don't know if it matted, cause I don't remember or know of any defensive ratings. I also like the fact you can change the batting line up and make substitutions before the game starts.

But in the Genesis versions (3,4, 93 and 94) the camera for defensive purposes was horrible. The zoom in effect did not improve it from the NES versions. In fact it was a detriment.

Though I like the original RBI, only having 4 pitchers was not a good look. When a chunk of the game is predicated on hitting power, and a lot of the pitchers lack stamina and it bothers me. Especially when playing back-to-back and one starter becomes inactive. I mean in RBI 3 I've thrown complete games with Dave Stewart.

[Turd]

What do you mean they lack stamina?  In a normal game of 1 SP style play, the SP should make it to 6 innings of pitching on average, maybe less or more depending on your usage of fastballs and sinkers, and amount of hits you're giving up.  So, for that style of play, which is how most of us play on rbibaseball.us, losing a SP in the second game doesn't even matter because you can only use one per game anyways.

[thalivest]

What do you mean they lack stamina?  In a normal game of 1 SP style play, the SP should make it to 6 innings of pitching on average, maybe less or more depending on your usage of fastballs and sinkers, and amount of hits you're giving up.  So, for that style of play, which is how most of us play on rbibaseball.us, losing a SP in the second game doesn't even matter because you can only use one per game anyways.

Well in comparison to RB2/3 (as it was asked why one liked those better). I played RBI 2 first as a kid, then RBI 3 I believe, before the original RBI. I hadn't played any until a couple of years ago when my dude got them onto a hacked PSP. So in RBI 2/3 I knew how to work starting pitchers, and getting into the 7th while still being effective was almost a given.

In the original RBI I can remember getting that far with Saberhagen and Clemens. Also in RBI there's a mode where you can play all 9 teams, but SP can't be used in back to back games, which in essence leaves you with 3 pitchers per game. And when starters (to me)  don't go as deep as RBI 2/3 it irritates me as sometimes I like to bring in a pitcher to face 1 or 2 hitters, or for a matchup. And I've learned to throw a myriad of pitches (fastball, cutter, slider, curve, change etc.), so I like to pitch, especially to "dangerous" hitters.

I used to play a style a kid with a neighbour who's rule every pitch must me thrown over the plate. That was for RBI 93 or 94 on the Genesis. I wasn't a fan of that cause I'd swing at everything knowing the pitch was going to be over the plate. Once you're timing was down, it became easy.

So as much as lack RBI it's not the sistein chapel (Mario Bros. 3 is) that some make it out to be. Is it great? Yes. A classic? Yes. Without flaws? No. Like I said I despised all of RBI versions (3,4, 93 & 94) on the Genesis cause of the zoom when playing defense. From short clips on youtube Famista 2009 and 2011 looks like the closest to the original RBI with a modern day look. Translate it to English, put MLB stadiums and teams in it, and you may have something.

[Turd]

As much as I disagree with you (the first one for me is almost the holy grail, save for a few shortcomings), especially with the 30 team ROM...I'm intrigued by RBI3.  It seems pretty fun, and if we had the right information, I'd be willing to write an editor for it.  I found some data in a few old threads, but not enough for me to want to get started just yet.  If we can get the locations for the pitcher/batter data, as well as team name icons and uniform colors, writing an editor is a snap.

[thalivest]

As much as I disagree with you (the first one for me is almost the holy grail, save for a few shortcomings), especially with the 30 team ROM...I'm intrigued by RBI3.  It seems pretty fun, and if we had the right information, I'd be willing to write an editor for it.  I found some data in a few old threads, but not enough for me to want to get started just yet.  If we can get the locations for the pitcher/batter data, as well as team name icons and uniform colors, writing an editor is a snap.

I wouldn't argue the original is the best in the series (some have said RBI 3), when I said holy grail I was referring the the NES as a whole, and that honour goes to Super Mario Bros. 3 as I mentioned. It is the Sisteine Chapel of video games!

Now as much as I like the original these are things it lack or could be changed/improved. I'm not going to compare it to PS3/360 modern games (that's insane with technology enhancements, but the modern Famista on the DS doesn't look that bad, but it's all in Japanese), but to the NES/Genesis standard which is somewhat of that era.

-Full 24 player rosters (having 10 pitchers on a staff in great for matchups and when you wanna think innings ahead like Tony LaRussa, hell I could live with 8 )
-DH (pitchers hitting are worthless), at least the AL had this, and the NL did for games played in AL parks
-Switch hitters - I think hacked versions have this, but not the original.... and on what planet was George Brett a right handed hitter???
-Stadiums (wasn't introduced 'til RBI 93 or 94), and I've seen a hacked New Yankee Stadium and Wrigley Field for the original which is great, but I'd like Fenway (green monster), or even to hit one into McCovey cove in San Francisco...... in  93 or 94 I could at least hit one into the waterfalls in Kansas City, give each team their home park
-Full season and playoffs (didn't come until RBI 93 I think)
-Home Run distances (was mentioned by a previous poster)
-Jumping & diving (was mentioned by a previous poster)
-Batting stances (I remember Rickey Henderson's crouch from RBI 93 or 94)
-Defence capabilities (read it was apparent in Famista 94 with shoulder for arm strength and def for range, and the new DS versions 2009 & 11 have it as well with "Arm Strength" & "Fielding Range" - all hitters aren't rated the same why should fielders?)


Now some of these were absent from RBI 3 as well. And as the series went on (3,4, 93 & 94 on the Genesis) and SNES it got worse and couldn't match up to the original, it had had certain features/aspects I wish the original had. I like the fact that you've been able to expand to a 30 man roster, but persnally I could live with 16 for the original 8 from the AL and NL and make "all time" teams. Like the Atari version, but they didn't get the rosters right, well not how I want them anyway.Houston had absolutely no business being in it.

Also RBI is predicated predominantly on power. Even you started a thread trying to figure out how to make contact hitters more viable and effective (try low 800's on power and very low contact... meaning they won't go deep consistantly, but they never lose power, just a thought).

Just my opinion.

[Turd]

I think you already stated your opinions in a previous post. I was simply stating mine that RBI1 for me takes the cake as the holy grail, especially now that it has 30 teams.  It's missing a few minor things, mainly things that none of the other versions had either, so for my money, it's the original...but to each his own.  If you had read my post carefully, I was saying that I was actually intrigued by RBI3, and was not putting it down.

[thalivest]

I think you already stated your opinions in a previous post. I was simply stating mine that RBI1 for me takes the cake as the holy grail, especially now that it has 30 teams.  It's missing a few minor things, mainly things that none of the other versions had either, so for my money, it's the original...but to each his own.  If you had read my post carefully, I was saying that I was actually intrigued by RBI3, and was not putting it down.

Yeah I did state my reasons again, but I also said I would not argue against RBI1 being the best in the series. I don't know how much weight my opinion holds as the only ones I'd really play is RBI1 & 3. I saw your 30 team ROM (which I said was great), and on youtube there are vids where someone changed the feild to look like New Yankee Stadium and Wrigley Field. Like I said I was never a fan of the other versions (on the Genesis & SNES), but they had things that RBI (and even RBI3) didn't have.

You've expanded the amount of teams and even implemented switch hitters through hacks. Now if each teams roster could be expanded I'd be happy. As well as defensive ratings and arm strength. Stadiums, batting stances etc. are all cosmetic, nothing to do with the actual game (or gameplay), but why not? I'd like to play RBI1 in different ballparks. I mean you have a 30 team ROM for 2011, wouldn't stadiums with each team be nice? And a full season with playoffs/world series is just for me personally. RBI3 didn't have those, but 93/94 versions on Genesis did and you know I'm not a big fan of those versions.

Other than that, modernly, Famista 2009 looks good, but good luck hacking that as it's in Japanese.

[BeefMaster]

You've expanded the amount of teams and even implemented switch hitters through hacks. Now if each teams roster could be expanded I'd be happy. As well as defensive ratings and arm strength. Stadiums, batting stances etc. are all cosmetic, nothing to do with the actual game (or gameplay), but why not? I'd like to play RBI1 in different ballparks. I mean you have a 30 team ROM for 2011, wouldn't stadiums with each team be nice? And a full season with playoffs/world series is just for me personally. RBI3 didn't have those, but 93/94 versions on Genesis did and you know I'm not a big fan of those versions.

There were rumors a few years ago that we'd actually get something like this - there was an update to the ESRB (video games ratings board) site that included among its list of upcoming filings an "RBI Baseball", written by some unknown company.  I exchanged emails with one of the guys from the development company (summarized in this blog post by some of our other forum regulars), giving us a lot of hope, but it never materialized - I never saw so much as a screenshot make it online, and after a few months of hearing nothing, I found that their website no longer made any mention of the game, and follow-up emails to the developer went unanswered.

[Turd]

Yeah, that was supposed to be for the XBox 360, right? I remember that.  Too bad, considering they did it with Tecmo, why not RBI?

[Turd]

P.S. Beef, did you keep in contact with the dev you were chatting with, or did that get severed? I'd like to know if it's completely dead, or just on pause.

[BeefMaster]

I emailed the guy again after not hearing anything for awhile, and he didn't return my messages.  I'm assuming it's completely dead, although I'd love to be wrong (especially since I have now acquired an XBox 360).

[Gantry]

Their website is incredibly spartan, doesn't look like a company that is spitting out games at a high rate.  Safe to assume it's dead...

[Turd]

Yeah, you're probably right. That sucks.

[thalivest]

Well I did a little search. First I went to the Six Degrees Games website, which had nithing regarding RBI Baseball. In fact another site said it halted production on RBI to focus on another "All Action Sports", which Six Degrees had a link to. Anyway I furthered my search of RBI/XBox 360/PS3 and found out that Six Degrees no longer publishes it. In fact a company Take 2 which is owned by 2K Sports is now handling it.....

http://www.achieve360points.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103158

Other sites have said similar things so it's rumored, not definite. I read something about this being casually mentioned on ESPN. Well as far as 2k their tennis games have been sub par, but their NBA gaames the complete opposite, as well as their NHL versions, but really wasn't feeling shooting with the analog stick. Hope the don't have that analog stick swing like The Bigs (I think it was). But I will email them and when I know something you will.....

Well if the site gets fixed. The original site with FAQs/ROMs etc. doesn't come up. I have to take a back way and click  on link. Can that be fixed.

[Turd]

That actually is really promising. I know the Six Degrees version had people from the original RBI dev team on there, so I hope 2K follows suit.  I'd pay for an update ever year if they did it right...

[BeefMaster]

Nice work, thalivest, although I did notice that link was a couple years old... it'd be interesting to know whether there's still active development.

2K was the publisher for the American ports of MLB Power Pros - I have the '08 version on the Wii, which I liked quite a bit.  Maybe I'll also fire off an email to Take 2 or 2K... couldn't hurt to show them that more than one person is interested in eventually getting a new RBI Baseball.