RBI 2&3 fun fact

[Metal King]

The '87 Tigers lineup on RBI 3 is a bit different:

1.Trammell
2.Sheridan
3.Gibson
4.Evans
5.Whitaker
6.Nokes
7.Lemon
8.Brookens
9.Madlock (.279 Avg, not .307)

Bench:
Heath
Bergman
Herndon (I hit a 424-foot homer with him)
Johnny Grubb (.202 Avg, 2 Hr)
Darnell Coles (.181 Avg, 4 Hr)

As for pitchers, the main 4 are:

Morris
Terrell
Tanana
Robinson

Mike Henneman and Dan Petry are on the list of reserves......

As for the other original RBI teams, the '86 Angels are without Reggie, they have a Miller hitting 4th (.228 avg, 0 Hr), Devon White's on the team, and they have a guy named Ryal (.363 avg, 2 Hr) and lol,  Woodroe (.364 avg, 15 Hr).

Tony Armas has 11 homers, not 43, Kevin Mitchell is on the '86 Mets AND the '87 Giants (.306 avg) that must be an error...... Lance Johnson (with speed!) is a reserve on the '87 Cardinals.

Pretty interesting.......

[Gantry]

Wait, RBI3 uses the 86 & 87 lineups? 

[BeefMaster]

RBI 3 has all the playoff teams from '83-'89, so it includes all the teams in the original.  However, they did not preserve the original game's ratings - the ratings (at least for power) appear to follow some sort of algorithm and are almost all directly stat-based, so you don't see as many situations like in the original where a guy has low homers but huge power.

For guys who were retired and thus not part of MLBPA, they usually included a fake version of them, with a name like "RJ Right" - initials followed by position.  I'm surprised there wasn't a version of Potatoes like that.

[BeefMaster]

Did some searching and found this post from nightwulf that has a text file with all the RBI 3 players and ratings.

I compared the '86 Angels in RBI 3 to the Baseball-Reference page for the team, and Miller is not actually a made-up player - it's Darrell Miller, a backup OF/C who played 33 games for the '86 Angels but did not make the postseason roster.  His .228/0HR numbers are accurate (although they have him as an infielder for some reason), but he's got an 861 power rating, highest on the team, and they start him at cleanup.

Reggie's not the only guy missing from that team - Ruppert and Hendrick are gone, too.  RBI 3 has defensive position information, and the team's outfielders are Pettis, Downing, Devon White, Gus Polidor, and Mark Ryal.  It's quite a debacle - the last three played a combined 48 games that year, and Polidor only played infield in his whopping six games.  There's also an infielder named "Woodroe" whose stats don't match anyone on the team as far as I can tell.

It looks like they got a bunch of hand-editing to their ratings, apart from the "spit out a number based on their average and homers" stuff that makes up most of the teams in the game - White, Polidor, Miller, and Ryal all have much higher power ratings than their stats would justify, and Woodroe has a very low 768 power despite a decent 15 homers.

RBI pitching staff was decimated as well.  Witt is intact, but he's the only one - Sutton, Corbett, and Moore are nowhere to be found, even as sets of initials.  Starting rotation is Witt, Kirk McCaskill (which is defensible; he was better than Sutton), Urbano Lugo (started three games in '86), and John Candelaria.  Bullpen includes a bunch of made-up guys; closest match for Moore's ERA is "Flasher", and the closest to Corbett's 3.66 ERA is "MC Pitch" (terrible rap name) at 4.00.  There was one "MC" on that team, Mike Cook, and he had an ERA of 9.00 in 9 innings of work, so maybe that should've been "DC".

[Metal King]

Wow lots of great info there, thanks.

And Kevin Mitchell's 1987 stats are correct, I am wrong.  I believe he split with the Padres and Giants, he DID hit .306 with 15 HR with SF (have his full stats on original RBI of course).

LOL Woodroe........He and Ryal have great averages!

I still like the Lifeson/Peart/Lee players (Rush).  Game was probably made by a few from Canada!

[brahmy]

However, they did not preserve the original game's ratings - the ratings (at least for power) appear to follow some sort of algorithm and are almost all directly stat-based, so you don't see as many situations like in the original where a guy has low homers but huge power.

I have been looking at RBC 3 stats lately and while I haven't done a full analysis yet, I know that the contact rating (which I like to call the shit factor) was programmed with an inverse linear relationship with the player's real-life batting average (or at least the batting average that was programmed into the game).

I had made this chart with data from three RBI 3 teams (I forget which ones):


(sorry for resurrecting an old topic)