Many RBI'ers on HOF ballot

[japetus462]

Bert Blyleven, Wade Boggs, Chili Davis, Andre Dawson, Don Mattingly, Willie McGee, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy,
Jim Rice, Ryne Sandberg, Darryl Strawberry, Alan Trammell.

[ultimate7]

Note also ARCARDE RBIers:
Dave Concepcion, Steve Garvey, Rich Gossage, Lee Smith
and Bruce Sutter

In addition to those already mentioned that are in both or just NES.


The complete ballot (x-first time eligible): x-Jim Abbott, Bert Blyleven, x-Wade Boggs, x-Tom Candiotti, Dave Concepcion, x-Chili Davis, Andre Dawson, Steve Garvey, Rich Gossage, Tommy John, x-Mark Langston, Don Mattingly, x-Jack McDowell, x-Willie McGee, x-Jeff Montgomery, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, x-Otis Nixon, Dave Parker, x-Tony Phillips, Jim Rice, Ryne Sandberg, Lee Smith, x-Terry Steinbach, x-Darryl Strawberry, Bruce Sutter, Alan Trammell.

[japetus462]

If Strawberry gets in, and Rice never does....

[GreatScott]

of the RBIers here are my picks.
Sure thing:
Boggs ... just a great hitter and a piece of crap as a human being.  Unless Ichiro starts drinking whiskey and beating up his wife, this man will be the closest we will ever come to ty cobb.  5 batting titles and a ton of walks to boot.  Shoe-in.

Blyleven.  Diet Nolan ryan stats.  Strike out/win machine.  Nice career era and just a horse of a pitcher.  Time to let the Dutch in the hall.

Andre Dawson.  You just cant have dave winfield in the hall and not have Dawson in.  they are the same player.  A home run hitter ... in the 80s sense of the term.

Ryno:  Best 2b playere of the 80s.  Gold gloves and all star appearances out the ass.  I think its a no brainer.  

I cant make the call:

Jack Morris:  great postseason ace.  10 inning shutout was the shit.  A horse and a great mustache.  250 wins.  hes got a high era though and he was really pretty wild.  I wouldnt be upset to see him in there.  

Dale Murphy:  A really good player with 2 mvps and some gold gloves.  Tons of homers for a short mostly 80s career.  Doesnt stick in my mind like morris but whatever.  he was a great player who played in a shit market.  Prolly should go in.

Mattingly:  Short career but great numbers and D.  I hate to see another yankee enshrined but he was a dominant player.  Shouldnt be penalized for getting injured.  
Not Worthy:

Chilli:  If you played in real life like you did in rbi ... no question.  Unfortunately chilli was a good player for a number of years.  nothing to write home about.

Mcgee:  shit numbers, ugly as hell.  His plaque would scare kids in cooperstown.  no way.

Rice:  Solid numbers, solid career, just not hall of fame caliber though.  wasnt a great fielder, and didnt run at all ... ever.

Strawberry:  NO

Trammell:  a very good shortstop.  

[BeefMaster]

Tony Phillips is on the ballot?!  Does he have naked pictures of the guy who put the ballot together, or what?

[ultimate7]

A lot of players that make the ballot are kind of suprising.  Phillips did have over 2000 career hits, I was more suprised at Otis Nixon.

[BeeJay]

Mcgee:  shit numbers, ugly as hell.  His plaque would scare kids in cooperstown.  no way.

McGee has shit numbers?  Career .295 hitter, 3 time gold glove winner, 4 time all star, 2 time batting champ, 1985 MVP.  He may not make it into the hall, but there's no fucking way those are shit numbers.

[TβG]

otis nixon and mcgee can battle it out for "ugliest-man-in-the-history-of-baseball-hall-of-fame" balloting

[fknmclane]

Mcgee:  shit numbers, ugly as hell.  His plaque would scare kids in cooperstown.  no way.

I knew this would get BJ fired up.  I think some of Beej's hair fell out when reading GreatScott's post.

[T Roogs]

mcgee has no chance. How did lee smith not make it on his first try? Isn't he the alltime saves leader?

I'm going this time around with sandberg, smith, boggs and morris. The others will have to wait for sure. But I like most others chances in a few more years.

When the hell is ron santo getting in.

[BeeJay]

Otis Nixon was one hell of an outfielder.  It's sort of sad how the hall of fame criteria really only have to do with batting.  It's very unusual that someone makes it in because they were an awesome defender, yet guys that hit 500 homers and can't play any defense are almost a lock.

[GreatScott]

                                ab     r     h     2b  3b hr   rbi  sb  cs  bb  so   avg   obp    slg
162 Game Avg        563   74  166  26  7   6   63  26  9  33  91  .295  .333  .396

ok maybe not shit but compared to other HOF leadoff type guys these numbers are just pathetic.  sure .295 ... but he was lucky if he hit anything but a single.  his obp is barely servicable for a regular player ... let alone a HOFer.  Of all the RBIers going on the ballot ... mcgee is the most laughable.  

[BeeJay]

Stats are great, you can twist them whatever way you want.  First of all, Willie McGee wasn't a leadoff type hitter.  2nd, one stat you didn't use is McGee leading the Cards to 3 world series in 6 years.  Even Boggs had to ride the 96 Yankees to his only Championship.  3rd, in '96, Willie returned to the Cardinals to be a reserve outfielder, helping them to their first playoff appearance since the 80's.  I'm not saying that Willie's a HofFer, and frankly I don't care if he makes it in or not.  He does however deserve much more respect than he gets.  

"In 1996 through '99, he was the most dangerous player off the bench in the league."
--Tony LaRussa

[GreatScott]

"All right! It's Saturday night, I have no date, a 2 liter bottle of Shasta and my all Rush mix tape. Let's rock!"

wheres that from?

[BeeJay]

Fry says it in a Futurama episode (can't remember which one).  As soon as I stopped laughing I wrote it down.

[GreatScott]

i like futurama ... and ill admit  i love rush.  even without a context i was cracking up.  i know how deeply rush is loathed firsthand

[fightonusc]

Taking away people that have no chance of making it (sorry, Jim Abbott may be a great guy, but a HoF pitcher? Please.), here's my comments on people in consideration for the Hall.

Bert Blyleven: It's pretty amazing to me that a guy with 3,700 career Ks isn't already in the Hall of Fame. Look at some of those years with Minnesota - with minimal run support, he should be winning 20-25 games a year instead of 16-20. With decent run support over the prime of his career, he would have hit 300 wins. Also, he was 5-1 lifetime in the postseason, and was a key part of two World Series victories.

Wade Boggs: I can't argue the 3,000-plus hits. Or 200+ hits for seven straight seasons. Wade Boggs was a one-dimensional player, to be sure (no power, overrated defensively), and hitting .273 lifetime in the postseason isn't anything to write home about. But, other than maybe George Brett or Mike Schmidt, who was a more productive 3B in the 1980s? A sure thing.

Dave Concepcion - Will he get in? Probably not. But if he doesn't get in, I'd like someone to explain to me why he isn't in and Bill Mazeroski is in. Concepcion's offensive numbers are better, they were arguably equal in terms of defense, and although Mazeroski has one huge moment, he wasn't the overall "winner" (tm Derek Jeter) that Davey Concepcion was...

Andre Dawson - I've literally lost sleep trying to figure out if he's a HoFer or not...I have a hard time placing him as a "dominant" player or near the top of OFs in his era, and he didn't put up huge numbers for the most part (only three seasons with more than 30 HRs). He was a very good and underrated defensive player before his knees gave out, but he was hurt a lot too. I'm leaning towards no, since he was at best the second-best player on his team for a good stretch of his career.

Goose Gossage - Very dominant for about a five year stretch, and then very good if not great for several years before/after. I don't know, I can see making the case for him, but I won't.

Tommy John - Again, another guy who would have had well over 300 wins if he would have received some run support earlier in his career (look at some of those years with the White Sox - it's just brutal). He's borderline for me, since I hate to put in a pitcher who never won a Cy Young. But he was second twice and fourth another time in a four-year stretch, and he was a very good postseason pitcher. Borderline, but in.

Don Mattingly - If he had stayed healthy for, say, two more season, I could make a Koufax case for him, i.e., the type of dominance he had at his position for a period of time overshadows the lack of longevity. But I can't put a guy in based on six seasons and then a lot of part-time playing. Out.

Dale Murphy - Oh boy, I have to leave my personal feelings at the door, since the Murph was one of my favorites as a kid. And I love two MVP awards. But Maris had two MVPs and better numbers. I can't leave Dawson out and vote for Murphy. Reluctantly, out.

Jim Rice - In for his porn collection alone. Just kidding. The classic borderline player, and a source of many arguments. The numbers aren't dominant, but they are pretty good. Although I lean towards no, I think that this could be the year he gets in. Again, if you're going to let Orlando Cepeda in...

Ryne Sandberg - Was he the dominant player at his position for a significant period of time? Yes. Was he the best player on his team for a significant period of time? Yes. Does he have the feel of a HoF player? Not really, but it's hard for me to keep him out looking at the numbers.

Lee Smith and Bruce Sutter - If you're going to start putting relievers in not named Eckersley, these would be two places to start. Sutter might happen this year, Smith won't.

[fknmclane]

How dare you attempt to oust my whopper of a post.

If it makes you feel any better, I thought it was a whopper, especially the "shovel-faced kids" line.  Hilarity ensued upon my reading of that line.  Well done.

[Bonny]

Boggs(Batting champ, GGer) and Sandberg(the whole package) will get in this go around.
Sutter, Smith, Goose, Rice, Dawson, Blyleven,Mattingly(overrated) split the middle of the pack.
John, Murphy, Morris, Trammell,Garvey,  get enough to stay on ballot.
Everbody else falls off.

[Ryno23]

I'd vote for Boggs, Sandberg, Morris, Bert, Murph, Dawson, Rice.


Murph and Dawson would be shoe-ins if not for the steroid laden offensive explosion of the mid 90s - today.

Remember when 25 homers put you in the top 10?  Remember when a 3.50 ERA got your ass cut?  Back when baseball was baseball.