Suggestion for Nightwulf or Gantry

[ericdavisfan]

Hey guys,

I am WAAAAAAAY outta my league here, but I put some thought into those "unknown" numbers you've been wondering about for the pitcher's data.  This is one suggestion that I came up with this week.  I had a day off of work due to snow and was able to play several games against the computer.  I noticed that against some pitchers I could steal with anyone on any pitch....I was even stealing bases with Dave Smith on Houston.  Against other pitchers though, even when throwing a sinker, I couldn't steal with the slower guys (like Smith).  I was wondering if the unknown numbers might have something to do with how big of a lead or jump the computer gives a baserunner when stealing against a certain pitcher?

Just a thought.  Let me know what you think.

I don't know anything about RBI Manager and I'm nearly as knowledgable about such things as you two are, but I thought I'd offer my thought on it to see if it helped out

WHOOPS!! I meant I'm NOT nearly as knowledgable on these things as you two are!  I'm sure it was implied though

[nightwulf]

You're definitely not any more out of the league then anyone else on this. That's as good a suggestion as any; I'll check it out when I have a chance.

Nightwulf

[Gantry]

Interesting observation, it could be one of the fields!  Give us a list of pitchers that you noticed were easy or hard to steal against, that would be a great help...

[ericdavisfan]

I don't have a list, but I do remember the game in which I found the most difference.  I was playing against St. Louis.  I want to say that I started out running all over them with anyone, which would make the 1st pitcher John Tudor and his reliever Danny Cox.  I don't think the game lasted long enough to get to any other pitchers.  I guess that might be the place to start?!?

[Gantry]

Definitely... thanks

[RockRaines4life]

Hey guys-  
Clyon mentioned this briefly in another topic, but I think that the two unknown pitcher variables in the ROM could have something to do with a pitchers ability to throw screwballs.  Some pitchers, like Viola or Hurst for example, can throw average curveballs but cannot break the ball in the opposite direction at all.  Valenzuela, on the other hand, has a ridiculous screwball.  I think that the one variable for curve can't represent screwballs as well, due to the fact that other pitchers with curves like Fernando (Krukow is one) don't have nearly the screwball he does.  Just an idea...

[Gantry]

By screwball, do you mean a slowball that doesn't drop or the ability to break a normal pitch to the opposite direction?

[Big Hath]

No, I think he means the pitch the breaks opposite of a curveball; a pitch to a right-handed batter that breaks inside from a right handed pitcher.

I am becoming a believer that there are separate curve/screwball values.  Some pitchers have no curveball but a great screwball.

[RockRaines4life]

BigHath is correct... by screwball I mean a righty's pitch that breaks into a RH batter or a lefty's pitch that breaks into a LH batter.  There really are big differences between a pitchers curveballs and screwballs.  Valenzuela is the best example of a great screwball I think.

[nightwulf]

NES player stats

Check the curve ability of the four pitchers mentioned.
Vlnzla- 200
Krukow- 199
Viola- 73
Hurst- 69

Given this, plus the fact that the "Unknown field" values for all four pitchers are very similar, I think the ability to break a curve the opposite direction is represented by their curve ability.

Nightwulf