New League Starting

[Attezzobal]

Perhaps the reason the May league will be different is because of this whole discussion? I'm the (self proclaimed) Rosa Parks of RBI Baseball...

Based on the 'reinvite' to your league and the fact that you reason to answer the first and only real question that I've raised, do you admit that there was no real reason for me to be ejected other than your loss by thirty runs to me?

As for the other questions, for the most part (and I've only played four of the other teams) the guys aren't too great, you can steal on them non-stop, terrible at rundowns (on both sides), and pitch in easy to read patterns, it seems that at least 7 or so of the owners are completely new to RBI...And he set the 10 run rule at 30 runs, I believe I went up like 15 or so before he decided to start throwing the game so I'd just thirty run rule him and get it over with...

And no, your league isn't perfect...I've been the commissioner of several fantasy leagues (baseball and football), and if someone offered me a trade that lopsided in my favor, I always declined or vetoed it, that's the responsible thing to do...

I have no problem rejoining the league (I beat BroncoBusters last night in a 'non-league' game, he didn't seem to have a problem either), however, there's no way in hell I will apologize and claim that your league is run well, it potentially could be a good league, but it seems to me that the entire league is run to pat yourself on the back (Just read through the power rankings and 'hall of fame' page).

So I guess I'm back in, on one condition, you post all attributes of the rom when you update them  (and even them out to make it accurate), and you explain to me, publicly, why I was ejected in the first place...Otherwise I will continue to call you a little bitch over and over until it becomes stale, then I will switch to calling you sir McDoucheAlot

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

K Atezzobal.... here it is....

I may have got a little carried away with the whole kicking out thing and it was def. wrong, but here's the thing.  When you played your first game in the league against me, I noticed alot of your pitches (especially w/ 2 strikes already on the batter) were clearly balls and the league rule clearly states "Only strikes shall be thrown".... I had no intention of an ejection whatsoever I just thought you had troubles adjusting from the "anything goes" league you're in or what not... then when u played Elite Newbies, he said you struck him out on balls 4-5 times in that game.... then that game that was all out of wack b'tween me and you, i got so pissed from striking out on balls that I gave my cuzin the controller and said fuck it, i was disgusted... it wasn't just my decision, it was me, the secretary (Gb), and my friend (Fu)....

So i admit, it was wrong to kick you out BUT... there's 2 or 3 things to clear up here....

1.) I never took your team off the ROM.... or anyone else's... there's always been 10 teams!
2.) I don't know how you can diss SO much who beat you??
3.) One more time, Johnny Estrada doesn't come close to Roberts' speed (have no clue where you got that one)

Also, I've fixed about 4 things on the ROM since the season started, including that power blip on Ordonez.

Thanks,
Tommy (PREZ)

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

One more thing, May's league will definately be more organized.....

and can SOMEONE tell me how to get that goddamn text document so the players and their attributes ACTUALLY show up from NightWulf's???

[JoeDirt]

Also, the "trade" between you and the other guy was ridiculous. In a fantasy sports league, the other owners would have voted to reject the trade as unfair. The fact that the other guy agreed to it is immaterial - it's also unfair the everyone else in the league, because they have to play against your new superteam.

I disagree with this.  I firmly believe that teams should have the right to make bad trades.  It's one thing if the league (or commissioner) suspects collusion, but to veto a trade because it isn't deemed "fair" or "even" for both parties is lame, in my opinion...

[Attezzobal]

All the league games I've played, I've had a friend watching them with me (OctoFranco) because it's been between games of RBI and bottles of Labatt, it is tough to adjust to slurve, but not that tough, I put a lot of movement on my balls, as that's the best way to get ground outs/weak flies and the like, I also struck you guys out a decent amount, HOWEVER, that's because I'd set up inside and go outside (but rarely a ball, and when they were I always through one right down the middle as punishment), I'm not saying I didn't throw balls, because I probably did (but so did you guys), the difference was, I through more outside and across the plate, I really would like to see the game films so I could judge for myself, but obviously that's up to you...

Glad you fixed the ROM, and also glad you admitted you were in the wrong, it would have been nice if these issues had been brought to my attention while I was still in the league, but whatever, nothing was discussed with me and it took about three days of IMing you drunk bitching, and writing likewise drunken posts on your forum before finally coming public, and than another few days before actually getting an answer, but at least it came, and at least you wrote a few mature posts, and I look forward to more posts that don't sound like they're coming from a middle school comp lab.

I'm gonna be out of town for the next few days with my girl, but I'll be back Sunday if I'm back in the league and anyone wants a game or two.

(You guys need to work on your pitching, when you set up inside righty on righty, it doesn't always work throwing it straight down the middle, mix it up, you get into a pattern and are easily beaten)

Also, I have the pic of the 34-4 game, I'll see if I can upload it here tomorrow before I leave

[ultimate7]

K Atezzobal.... here it is....

I may have got a little carried away with the whole kicking out thing and it was def. wrong, but here's the thing. When you played your first game in the league against me, I noticed alot of your pitches (especially w/ 2 strikes already on the batter) were clearly balls and the league rule clearly states "Only strikes shall be thrown".... I had no intention of an ejection whatsoever I just thought you had troubles adjusting from the "anything goes" league you're in or what not... then when u played Elite Newbies, he said you struck him out on balls 4-5 times in that game.... then that game that was all out of wack b'tween me and you, i got so pissed from striking out on balls that I gave my cuzin the controller and said fuck it, i was disgusted... it wasn't just my decision, it was me, the secretary (Gb), and my friend (Fu)....

So i admit, it was wrong to kick you out BUT... there's 2 or 3 things to clear up here....

1.) I never took your team off the ROM.... or anyone else's... there's always been 10 teams!
2.) I don't know how you can diss SO much who beat you??
3.) One more time, Johnny Estrada doesn't come close to Roberts' speed (have no clue where you got that one)

Also, I've fixed about 4 things on the ROM since the season started, including that power blip on Ordonez.

Thanks,
Tommy (PREZ)

Good response, thanks for responding and ironing everything out.  Another positive for the RBI/Dee-Nee Community

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

alright, thats cool atezzobal....

and thank you JoeDirt, if an idiot makes an idiotic trade, let it be!

And in case anyone was wondering, the league has it's 8 players for the May League (2 new members since 2 of the guys didnt play ANY games this season).... If 2 more sign up, it will be a 10 team league, otherwise it will be 8.... if only one more signs up, too bad i'm not doing an odd number due to playoff disputes and other factors...

Also, I'm starting a thread on my website's forum with open and honest opinions of changes people think should be made on the ROM for May... the thread should be up tommorow or maybe Thursday, with the 8 teams and the players' attributes.  All the changes you guys have to offer could be made by the time the May league starts (appx. May .

Thanks,
Tommy (PREZ)

[BeefMaster]

Also, the "trade" between you and the other guy was ridiculous. In a fantasy sports league, the other owners would have voted to reject the trade as unfair. The fact that the other guy agreed to it is immaterial - it's also unfair the everyone else in the league, because they have to play against your new superteam.

I disagree with this.  I firmly believe that teams should have the right to make bad trades.  It's one thing if the league (or commissioner) suspects collusion, but to veto a trade because it isn't deemed "fair" or "even" for both parties is lame, in my opinion...

Did you see the trade?  It seemed like fairly obvious collusion to me - three good Red Sox (including Papi) for three Atlanta bench players.

I agree that in general people should be allowed to make bad trades, but this seemed far too bad to be realistic.  It's possible, too, that the other player was throwing in the towel, letting other people have his good players since he didn't care anymore, which to me also qualifies as collusion.

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

Atezzobal.... ur back in the league, hope u give forgiveness....

I have u as 3-2.... any questions just post it......

I dont have all your stats, becuase of the 15-0? win over GBBMSNUUP and the whomping on me... so if u have the pictures for those that'd be great!

Otherwise, we'll have to work something out!

OK, now to clear up some mixed up ALLOGATIONS.... BroncoBusters (RED SOX) offered me to trade Ortiz for 2 fast players (Langy and Green).... I don't do 2-for-1 deals in the league, so he threw in Millar and Wells for Thompson.... so basically there were 2 trades going on, just for even numbers... I wanted power, he wanted speed... that's it!

Also, I moved the playoffs up a bit so try to get the 10 games in by then... i only moved it up so there would be time to prepare for the BETTER May league....

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[OctoFranco]

As I've already mentioned to Attezzobal in person, I'm really surprised he's (at least nominally) returning to this league under any circumstances.  Despite Cobras' attempts to act reconciliatory, the guy is still clearly a cheater and a liar.  I was THERE for three of the N. Stars' games (1st, 4th, and 5th).  Smoltz was most definitely a lefty (something I was the one who first pointed out).  The fact that Cobras would come on here and explicitly deny this is mindboggling and smacks of childishness and dishonesty.  That alone would be enough to keep me away from any future league run by this PREZ.

Plus it's also true (on the rom you guys played that 34-4 game, at least) that Estrada was keeping pace with Furcal.  As for accusing Attezzobal of throwing numerous balls, that is more bullshit.  He only ever threw a handful of balls (never for strike three, to my recollection), and made up for it every time by throwing a regular pitch down the middle afterward, whereas Cobras kept pitching as normal after throwing blatant balls.

Also, the screenshot of the aftermath of that 30-run blowout is here.

And on an aside, Attezzobal and I were talking about this the other day, and I'm not sure whether the idea came from here or not, but I'd love to see a 10 player league where we'd just have a draft of all the original RBI players, but customize our team names/jerseys.  Anything like that already been done/discussed?  Always dreamt about having Baylor and Chili on the same team...

[Stock]

... but I'd love to see a 10 player league where we'd just have a draft of all the original RBI players, but customize our team names/jerseys.  Anything like that already been done/discussed?  Always dreamt about having Baylor and Chili on the same team...

This is what our Str8 pitch league is like.  Except we only did 8 teams so everybody had a team of good players.  We have 2 more weeks to go and then the playoffs.
I assume everyone will not be coming back, but not sure.  I also may be handing over the commish duties to someone else if a couple of compromises cannot be made in the pitching rules.  I origianally wanted an actual Str8 pitch league (with no balls).  I have no problem with knuckles as long as we can set there sinker ball settings to "0".
Time will tell.

[Nails]

This is what our Str8 pitch league is like. Except we only did 8 teams so everybody had a team of good players.

And of course, trades require approval.     

[JoeDirt]

Did you see the trade? It seemed like fairly obvious collusion to me - three good Red Sox (including Papi) for three Atlanta bench players.

I did not.  I was more talking generalities than this specific situation.  I was also responding to your earlier post, where you said that the league has the right to veto unbalanced trades.

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

Whatever, I'm done posting on this Forum... obviously everyone here just sides with whoever has posted the most and been around longest, so whatever.... if anyone wants to join the league they can IM me or E-Mail me... or if they want to they can post it on the Forum on my website...

Thanks,
Tommy *PREZ*

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[Gantry]

OK, just quickly read through this thread and it looks like it is heading in the proper direction.  Obviously both sides still have some bitterness but I say everyone should start with a clean slate.  Start a fresh May league and come up with some concrete rules beforehand.  Posting updated ROMs with their correlated stats file is a great start, and people shoul probably agree to ratings before the season starts. 

As far as trades go, simply put it to a vote with the 8/10 members to see if they want trades to be approved by a majority.  Let the majority decide so there is no bitterness...

Purple - are you still having trouble exporting the ROM data to text files?  If so, give your steps and we'll try to help out. 

Whatever happened before, let it go and start fresh.  It seems like Az and purple are willing to do so, which is solid...

<sappy>This community is too small for infighting</sappy>

A second site with a second online league is great for Online RBI, lets make it work...

[JoeDirt]

OK, just quickly read through this thread and it looks like it is heading in the proper direction. Obviously both sides still have some bitterness but I say everyone should start with a clean slate. 

Where can I get one of these slates you speak of?

[Gantry]

Right here buddy, I think you'd look stunning in blue...

Back on track, any dee-nee members going to play in Purple's league?  I think it would be a good idea, someone step up to the challenge and do so in a classy way.  You still in for that league Az?

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

Thanks Gantry,

I'm glad I have the aproval of a hardcore RBI fan.... And yes, I have 2 openings left in the league so check out the website!

Thanks,
Tommy (PREZ)

[Gantry]

No problem mate, you are doing good work with starting a league.  It seems like you want to get the league going and are open to changes/criticism, which is good.  Looks like both sides went a little overboard and nobody is bitter, which is key...

I personally am doing a shitty job keeping up with the league on these forums, so I'll pass on the games for this month.  But I'll do my best to get a dee-nee member or two going for May...

I'll also put your site up on the Links Page...

[JoeDirt]

Right here buddy, I think you'd look stunning in blue...

WOW.  I'm almost stunned that this did not lead me to a lemon party...and yet I just had to click to find out...