FS '90 All-Time Lineups

[Dryden]

In an effort to avoid as much work as possible today, I started throwing together some "all-time" teams for the teams in FS '90.  (BTW, if someone wants to add in the Tigers, Reds, Indians and Pirates and take out the Angels, Astros, Padres and Rangers, I'd be eternally grateful...)

Anyway, the lineups are attached, comments welcome.

A few points before you start shooting at me:

1. A player is only listed once, on the team where he had the most value.  If a player is not listed on a given team for whatever reason (Tris Speaker should be an Indian, but they're not a team), he is "available" to his next most valuable team if he is the best player at that position.  The only value that a player has is that which he accumulated playing for that team.

2. The NL and AL teams are made up of all players not listed on any of the other teams.  The only value that a player has is that which he accumulated playing in that league.

3. Positions are that where a player had the most games played, or the most value created (Ernie Banks at SS, for example) for the team in question.  If a player more or less split time, it's whichever position is more useful to the team.  All outfield spots are not created equal.

This is a work in progress, especially for some of the sketchier teams/players.  All input is welcome.

[RedBarron]

If Doug Dascenzo and Augie Ojeda are not included on the Cubs I'll consider your ROM comepletely u.seless. . . . . . and ghay

[Dryden]

If Doug Dascenzo and Augie Ojeda are not included on the Cubs I'll consider your ROM comepletely u.seless. . . . . . and ghay

Dascenzo is the "blowout relief pitcher" and Augie is the "late-inning defensive replacement".  These are not well-documented elements of the FS '90 lineup system, but they are there.

[Bonny]

1 Willie Wilson-of
2 Amos Otis-of
3George Brett-3b
4 Mike Sweeney-1b
5 Bo Jackson-of
6 Frank White-2b
7Darrell Porter-c
8Freddie Patek-ss

B: Hal McRae
B :Danny Tartabull
B:John Mayberry
B:Kevin Seitzer

SP:   Dennis Leonard
SP:   Bret Saberhagen
SP:   Larry Gura
SP:   Paul Splittorff
RP:  Dan Quisenberry
RP:  Jeff Montgomery
I know they are not on there, but....

[Gerlost]

I hope those blanks mean you're looking for players to add.

Additions:
- Bernie Williams to the Yankees
- Chili Davis & Gary DiSarcina to the Angels
- Bob Stanley to the BoSox
- Jason Giambi to the A's
- Mickey Vernon, Joe Judge, and Al Worthington to the Twins
- Oddibe McDowell, Rusty Greer, Ruben Sierra, Buddy Bell, and Darold Knowles to the Rangers
- Wally Berger to the Braves
- Al Hrabosky to the Cardinals

That's all I've got for now.

[TβG]

i know augie ojeda personally ( i went to college with him) and i would be disappointed if he were left off the rom. 

[Dryden]

1 Willie Wilson-of
2 Amos Otis-of
3George Brett-3b
4 Mike Sweeney-1b
5 Bo Jackson-of
6 Frank White-2b
7Darrell Porter-c
8Freddie Patek-ss

B: Hal McRae
B :Danny Tartabull
B:John Mayberry
B:Kevin Seitzer

SP: Dennis Leonard
SP: Bret Saberhagen
SP: Larry Gura
SP: Paul Splittorff
RP: Dan Quisenberry
RP: Jeff Montgomery
I know they are not on there, but....

I'd probably go with Aikens, Balboni or Beltran over McRae, but other than that, I agree.

[RedBarron]

i know augie ojeda personally ( i went to college with him) and i would be disappointed if he were left off the rom.

Tennessee?

I liked Augie.  He's still in twin's system.  100% pure hustle player.

[fightonusc]

Detroit Tigers

C - Lance Parrish
1B - Hank Greenberg
2B - Charlie Gehringer
3B - George Kell
SS - Alan Trammell
LF - Willie Horton
CF - Ty Cobb
RF - Harry Heilman

Bench - Al Kaline
Bench - Norm Cash
Bench - Lou Whitaker
Bench - Sam Crawford

SP - Hal Newhouser
SP - Jack Morris
SP - George Mullin
SP - Tommy Bridges

RP - John Hiller
CL - Aurielo Lopez

[Bonny]

Wahoo and Kaline on the bench?

[Dryden]

Horton over Veach?  Seriously?

[Gantry]

Are we looking for the best all-time players on this list or the best single-season players?  I ask becaues the latter would make them a stronger RBI player. 

For example - while George Kell was clearly the better player and HOFer, one of Travis Fryman's 20+ homer seasons would make him more valuable in the video game sense for Detroit...

Thoughts?  Lemon Parties?  Yes or no? 

[RedBarron]

rusty kuntz should be on the tiger squad

[sfbennett1]

I'd say The Walking Man Eddie Yosts' 1959 season may be the best by a Detroit third-sacker (.278, 21 HR, 135 BB), but his walks won't really help him on RBI ... Fryman's .303 with 20 homers in '93 is probably the best RBI season.

Bobby Veach should be on there somewhere, probably as the LFer (his numbers won't look great compared to players today ... .310, .370 OBP, .442 SLG ... but his career OPS+ was 127, meaning he was 27% better than the league average -- Horton retired at 120)

Bill Freehan could push Parrish at catcher, especially if it's single season ... He was near the top of the MVP voting in 67/68.

Kaline is better than Heilman (unless it's single season...then Heilman's .400 in 23 is gonna take it)

I'd like to see it done with the greatest individual single seasons.

But no love for the Rangers??

Greer .332 18
Franco .341 18
ARdrgz .300 57
Palmro .324 47
JGnzlz .310 46
IRdrgz .332 35
Sierra .306 29
BBell .329 17

... that ain't such a bad lineup. Fergie Jenkins / Nolan Ryan / Charlie Hough / Kevin Brown / Kenny Rogers / John Wetteland / Jeff Russell / Francisco Cordero on the bump ...

[Gantry]

That is a most impressive lineup for the Rangers...

[RedBarron]

CUBS (Greatest Seasons) -- RBI'ers get the starting nod

C:  Gabby Hartnett (1930:  .339 / 37 / 122)
1B: Derrek Lee (2005 est stats:  .350 / 45 / 125)(Cubs have never been blessed with 1b)
2b: Ryne Sandberg (1990: .306 / 40 / 100)
3B: Aramis Ramirez (2004:  .318 / 36 / 103)
SS: Ernie Banks (1958:  .313 / 47 / 129)
OF: Sammy Sosa (2001:  .328 / 64 /  160)
OF: Hack Wilson (1930: .356 / 56 / 191)
OF: Andre Dawson (1987:  .287 / 49 / 137)

Bn: Billiy Williams (1970:  .322 / 42 / 129)
Bn: Ron Santo (1964:  .312 / 30 / 114)
Bn: Rogers Hornsby (1929:  .380 / 39 / 149)
Bn: Dave Kingman (1978:  .288 / 48 / 115)

SP:  Sutcliffe (1984:  16-1, 2.69)
SP:  Fergie Jenkins (1971  24-13, 2.77)
SP:  Greg Maddux (1992:  20-11, 2.18)
SP:  Mark Prio (2003:  18-6, 2.43)

RP:  Randy Myers (1993:  56 saves)
CP:  Lee Smith (ML All Time Saves Leader)

[sfbennett1]

Frank Chance circa 1905/1905 could bump D-Lee if 2005 doesn't count ... .450 OBP in '05. (his 2 homers aren't exactly eye-popping but he was 7th in the league in SLG). But what would the All-Cubbie team be without Mark Grace? .326, 16 HR in 1995.

[Gantry]

Agreed, Lee can't make the list on fairytale stats.  Give Gracie a go, he's got a glove to boot...

[sfbennett1]

Appier or Cone could be candidates for the Royals staff ... Balboni - a personal favorite after years of watching him blast homers for the Oklahoma City 89ers - was built to be an RBI'er. Big time power with zero defense. It's a shame his mustache can't be adaquatly represented in the game. He would be much better suited for an RBI bench spot than McRae (.243 36 HR in '85 for Bye-Bye Balboni).

[RedBarron]

Frank Chance circa 1905/1905 could bump D-Lee if 2005 doesn't count ... .450 OBP in '05. (his 2 homers aren't exactly eye-popping but he was 7th in the league in SLG). But what would the All-Cubbie team be without Mark Grace? .326, 16 HR in 1995.

I didn't go with any dead ball era guys or Cap Anson would have gotten the nod at 1B.  Grace had a decent 1989 with .314 / 17hr but the Cubs never had a RBI-type 1st baseman.  I think Lee's 32 homers last season were the most by a Cub first baseman.