83/84 RBI Cart

[RedBarron]

would anyone other than me be interested?

[Shooty]

And miss getting a chance to hit with Kurt Bevaqua?

Fuck that.  Count me in.

[RedBarron]

Sadly, the K man would make the cut for SD.

Any suggestions on how to rate these players?  I'd lean towards a less power  / more pitching rating system.   Hell, Sandberg was top 5 (maybe even top 3) with a .520 slg pct that year.  Jody Davis was top 10 in RBI with 94.  Cey was top 10 in HR with 25.   

[ultimate7]

I don't know about spending another $35 right now, maybe in 4 months or so I'd be interested.  I'd be willing to help make or make the ROM.

[ultimate7]

I'll start by listing rosters to discuss

1984 Cubs - Everything is pretty clear, only question would be 2 of these 3 (Lopes, Hebner, Woods)

I'm partial to Gary Woods because I was a big fan, Lopes has RBI appeal but was acquired very late that year and only had 17 ABs as a Cub.

Dernier
Sandberg
Mathews
Durham
Cey
Moreland
Davis
Bowa

Cotto
Bosley
Woods
Hebner
Lopes

Sutcliffe
Trout
Stoddard
Smith

[ultimate7]

EDITED:

1984 Tigers - Looking at playoff box scores I think this makes most sense

Whitaker
Trammell
Gibson
Parrish
Evans
Lemon
Bergman
Herndon

Grubb
Ruppert Jones
Brookens
Garbey

Morris
Petry
Lopez
Hernandez

[RedBarron]

Check the play off rosters.  I'm pretty sure Lopes was there.  If so, you gotta go with lopes -- speed off the bench, baby.

Did you know the Cubs had the top offense that year. . . . . fkn amazing.   Of course, Dernier and Sandberg were a great 1-2 combo then there was the OBP machine in the Sarge. . . . . lots of RBI chances for Moreland, Cey and Davis.

[TempoGL]

hey, how about we finish the 2005 cart first!!!

[ultimate7]

1984 Padres

Wiggins
Gwynn
Garvey
Nettles
Kennedy
McReynolds
Templeton

Salazar
Flannery
Brown
Bevacqua

Show
Whitson
Lefferts
Gossage

[RedBarron]

hey, how about we finish the 2005 cart first!!!

It'll be another 20 years or so before 2005 is RBI worthy.

[BeeJay]

hey, how about we finish the 2005 cart first!!!

I'd rather make rosters for a rom no one wants.

[AC/DC]

1984 Mets Option
       
1B    Keith Hernandez       
2B    Wally Backman       
SS    Jose Oquendo       
3B    Hubie Brooks       
OF    Mookie Wilson       
OF    Darryl Strawberry       
OF    George Foster       
C    Mike Fitzgerald

Danny Heep
Ray Knight
Kelvin Chapman
Kevin Mitchell


Ron Darling       
Dwight Gooden
Jesse Orosco     
Doug Sisk

[TempoGL]

i think the point of this is to have teams that made the postseason in 83/84, a la the original RBI

[RedBarron]

intial draft.  bash away.  it's cool.  let's get this thing right.



Data for team 1 (Chicago N.L):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Dernir LHB .278  3  10   700 150
02 Sndbrg RHB .314 19   5   828 145
03 Durham LHB .279 23   8   835 135
04 Cey    RHB .240 25  20   840 120
05 Mtthws RHB .291 14   6   807 130
06 Morlnd RHB .279 16  12   810 125
07 Davis  RHB .256 19  14   819 122
08 Bowa   LHB .261  0  10   695 136
=======================================
09 Lopes  RHB .235  0  25   720 143
10 Bosley LHB .296  2   8   716 142
11 Hebner LHB .333  2   3   715 132
12 Cotto  LHB .274  0  10   700 140

                   <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Stclf  RHP 2.69  12 15 15 175 180 188  65 145 170
02 Trout  LHP 3.41   9 10 12 155 138 183  60 135 155
03 Stddrd RHP 3.82   8 13 11 145 158 184  30 130 145
04 Smith  RHP 3.65  14 12 12 160 173 220  30 140 165


Data for team 2 (San Diego):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Wiggns LHB .258  3  13   710 158
02 Gwynn  LHB .351  5   1   745 151
03 Garvey RHB .284  8   8   800 130
04 Nettls LHB .228 20  19   837 125
05 McRnld RHB .278 20   9   840 130
06 Mrtnez RHB .250 13  14   798 130
07 Kenedy LHB .240 14  13   800 125
08 Tmpltn LHB .258  2  12   700 140
=======================================
09 Salazr RHB .241  3  11   716 132
10 Brown  LHB .251  3  12   720 144
11 Flnnry LHB .273  2  15   710 128
12 Bevqua RHB .200  0  26   715 130

                   <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Show   RHP 3.40  12 12 13 165 176 188  65 134 143
02 Witson RHP 3.24   9 11 10 160 177 191  60 140 124
03 Lffrts LHP 2.13  12 11 10 175 188 198  30 136 150
04 Gssage RSP 2.90  13 12 15 188 180 209  30 166 156


Data for team 3 (Los Angeles):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Sax    RHB .281  5   9   740 158
02 Russel RHB .246  1  19   702 144
03 Baker  RHB .260 15  10   798 135
04 Guerro RHB .298 32   8   852 148
05 Marshl RHB .251 26  14   840 122
06 Brock  LHB .224 20  23   830 133
07 Landrx LHB .281 17   9   802 147
08 Yeager RHB .203 15  29   820 125
=======================================
09 Thomas LHB .250  2  16   725 142
10 Monday LHB .247  6  18   777 133
11 Roenke LHB .221  2  22   722 135
12 Mldndo RHB .194  1  20   740 136

                   <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Vlnzla LHP 3.75  14 11 12 184 181 229  65 155 149
02 Welch  RHP 2.65   9 12  9 160 175 191  58 144 143
03 Howe   LHP 1.44   9 11  8 150 171 186  45 141 146
04 Nednfr RSP 1.90  14 15 12 187 188 200  25 155 144


Data for team 4 (Philly):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Morgan LHB .230 16  18   810 150
02 Rose   LHB .245  0  15   700 142
03 Schmdt RHB .255 40  14   900 140
04 Mtthws RHB .258 10  16   810 138
05 Maddux RHB .275  4  11   740 144
06 Diaz   RHB .236 15  17   802 129
07 Gross  LHB .302  0   5   710 130
08 DeJsus RHB .254  4  16   725 148
=======================================
09 Lezcno LHB .282  0   8   740 140
10 Hayes  LHB .265  6  12   780 148
11 Lefvbr LHB .310  8   6   810 125
12 Perez  RHB .241  6  14   760 124

                   <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Carltn LSP 3.11  13 11 13 189 190 200  65 144 150
02 Denny  RHP 2.37   8  9  8 138 150 188  50 129 143
03 McGraw LHP 3.56   9  8  6 176 176 190  50 144 145
04 Hollnd LHP 2.26  14 12 15 195 190 220  25 150 142


Data for team 5 (Kansas City):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Wilson LHB .301  2   8   709 150
02 White  RHB .271 17  11   825 140
03 Brett  LHB .284 13   7   815 135
04 Balbni RHB .244 28  18   885 120
05 Motley RHB .284 15   9   809 133
06 Sherdn LHB .283  8   9   788 126
07 Slaght RHB .264  4  14   772 125
08 Cncpcn RHB .282  1  10   700 130
=======================================
09 McCrae RHB .303  3   7   772 136
10 Orta   LHB .289  9   9   802 130
11 Pryor  RHB .263  4  13   712 120
12 Torg   LHB .255  5  14   721 130

                   <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Black  LHP 3.12  10  8 11 144 185 210  65 114 142
02 Liebrt LHP 3.63   9  7 11 146 177 190  60 112 143
03 Bckwth RHP 3.63   8 10  9 148 176 193  30 139 147
04 Qnsbry RSP 2.54  14  5  9 182 193 222  30 133 141


Data for team 6 (Detroit):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Tramll RHB .314 14   4   809 146
02 Whtakr LHB .289 13   8   805 140
03 Gibson LHB .282 27  10   858 144
04 Parrsh RHB .237 33  14   892 125
05 Lemon  RHB .287 20   9   825 130
06 Evans  LHB .232 15  18   815 120
07 HoJo   LHB .248 12  12   800 142
08 Jones  LHB .284 12  11   808 130
=======================================
09 Brgman LHB .273  7  12   786 130
10 Herndn RHB .280  7   8   799 130
11 Brookn RHB .246  5  10   800 120
12 Grubb  LHB .267  8  12   748 133

                   <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Morris RHP 3.60  11 14 10 178 184 205  65 150 146
02 Petry  RHP 3.24  10  8  9 160 186 200  60 113 143
03 Lopez  RHP 2.94  11 11 10 179 181 220  30 144 141
04 Hrndez LSP 1.92  12 11 15 195 189 225  30 160 144


Data for team 7 (Chicago A.L.):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 R. Law LHB .283  3   9   730 159
02 Fisk   RHB .289 26   9   831 134
03 Lznski RHB .255 32  17   905 124
04 Kittle RHB .254 35  20   909 125
05 Baines LHB .280 20  10   815 137
06 V. Law RHB .243  4  13   740 130
07 Fltchr RHB .237  3  18   733 141
08 Cruz   LHB .251  1  17   699 149
=======================================
09 Pacirk RHB .307  9   8   798 130
10 Squire LHB .222  1  19   710 130
11 Walker LHB .270 10  11   830 130
12 Dybnsk LHB .230  1  22   733 138

                   <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Hoyt   RHP 3.66   8  6  8 150 179 193  65 105 144
02 Dotson RHP 3.22  14 11  6 160 168 210  60 130 142
03 Barojs RHP 2.47   8  4  8 146 170 188  30 111 116
04 Lamp   RHP 3.71  14  2  4 158 186 210  30 112 143


Data for team 8 (Baltimore):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Bumbry LHB .275  3   8   708 145
02 Ford   RHB .280  9   9   809 140
03 Ripken RHB .318 27   6   888 130
04 Murray LHB .306 33   7   901 135
05 Sngltn LHB .238 15  17   812 120
06 Dauer  RHB .235  5  17   745 130
07 Cruz   RHB .208  3  20   717 135
08 Dempsy RHB .231  4  17   785 124
=======================================
09 Shelby LHB .258  5  14   759 144
10 Dwyer  LHB .286  8  12   830 126
11 Hrndez RHB .246  6  18   779 120
12 Lwnstn LHB .281 15   9   856 133

                   <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 McGrgr LHP 3.18  12 10 14 157 166 190  65 114 143
02 Bodikr RHP 2.77   9 14 11 162 180 220  60 133 143
03 Stewrt RSP 3.62   3 13 11 160 182 201  13 111 116
04 Martnz LHP 2.35   9  5  8 164 188 210  25 111 141


Data for team 9 (NL  All Stars):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Raines LHB .298 11  10   800 160
02 Samuel RHB .272 15  14   810 156
03 Murphy RHB .302 36   9   911 146
04 Dawson RHB .299 32   9   900 142
05 Carter RHB .294 27  12   850 130
06 Herndz LHB .311 15   8   805 128
07 Madlck RHB .323 12   9   803 125
08 Smith  LHB .257  1  20   719 149
=======================================
09 McGee  LHB .291  6  11   755 152
10 Hendrk RHB .318 18  10   838 130
11 Strbry LHB .252 26  22   883 141
12 Pena   RHB .301 15  10   819 130

                   <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Rogers RSP 3.23  15  9 11 189 163 183  65 140 146
02 Andjar RHP 3.34  10  8  9 154 166 200  60 113 143
03 Reardn RHP 3.03   6  2  6 159 180 211  30 112 141
04 Sutter RSP 1.54  11 10 12 150 166 220  30 113 141


Data for team 10 (AL All Stars):
No Name   R/L Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
01 Ricky  RHB .292  9  10   792 162
02 Boggs  LHB .361  5   1   755 130
03 Mtngly LHB .343 23   3   865 135
04 Rice   RHB .305 39   8   920 136
05 Yount  RHB .308 17   9   803 144
06 Winfld RHB .340 19   3   856 139
07 Carew  LHB .339  2   3   739 138
08 Simmns LHB .308 13   7   800 128
=======================================
09 Davis  LHB .284 27  12   881 135
10 Cooper LHB .307 30   9   894 134
11 Bell   RHB .315 11   8   780 130
12 Armas  RHB .268 43  28   918 118

                   <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Steib  RHP 2.83   3 11  9 149 170 193  65 115 142
02 Blylvn RSP 2.87   5  6  8 150 169 194  60 113 140
03 Caudil RHP 2.71  13  7  5 160 183 240  30 142 146
04 Stanly RHP 2.85  14  8 10 168 184 219  30 112 143

[RedBarron]

oh yeah, I need MAJOR help with the pitchers.   

I'm fkn terrible at doing pitcher stuff.

[ultimate7]

Your pitcher numbers are ridiculous, no one will ever score

[Gantry]

Your speed numbers are WAY too high... 

[RedBarron]

the both of you are nuts.    i pitch better than bonny and I don't take speed.


Now, start making suggestions and / or corrections.

[ultimate7]

I suggest you don't make any more ROMs

Hiyooo

[RedBarron]

quit making me cry!