Jack Morris

[Dryden]

Santo actually happens to be the best non-pitcher not in the hall. 

i would think that would be pete rose.

I was actually going to put "best eligible non-pitcher" but didn't think anyone would bring that one up.  I think Joe Jackson is probably better than Rose, but it's close.  They're both better than Santo, true enough.

[Dryden]

For the record, Blyleven is the best "eligible" non-pitcher.  Eddie Cicotte might be better than him as well.

[TβG]

i hate debating this stuff, but i think you have a well thought-out point of view, dryden.  i also appreciate your historical knowledge.  the discussion is interesting.

maybe the pitcher's unknown totals #'s 1,2 are factored into their hall of fame eligibility.

[Gerlost]

Rickey may go in as an Athletic, but he will always be a Surf Dawg in my heart...

And Dryden, I guess you would you rank Santo ahead of Jim Rice?

[ultimate7]

Santo actually happens to be the best non-pitcher not in the hall.

i would think that would be pete rose.

I was actually going to put "best eligible non-pitcher" but didn't think anyone would bring that one up. I think Joe Jackson is probably better than Rose, but it's close. They're both better than Santo, true enough.

Clearly it's Barry Bonds, if you include non-eligibles

[BDawk]

I love that we have at least two threads discussing Ron Fucking Santo and the Hall of Fame at one time.

If ron Santo ran up to me and kicked me in the balls, I still wouldn't know who he was.

[TβG]

If ron Santo ran up to me and kicked me in the balls, I still wouldn't know who he was.

that may be the single reason why boston has the best baseball fans in the world.

[ultimate7]

If ron Santo ran up to me and kicked me in the balls, I still wouldn't know who he was.

I think it would help his HOF qualifications, though

[Dryden]

Rickey may go in as an Athletic, but he will always be a Surf Dawg in my heart...

And Dryden, I guess you would you rank Santo ahead of Jim Rice?

By a lot.  There are a bunch of guys better than Rice - Alan Trammell, Bob Johnson, Andre Dawson...

Rice was very, very good, but his fielding was complete shit and he grounded into so many double plays, you have to count them against him.  It really hurts his overall value quite a bit.

[BDawk]

If ron Santo ran up to me and kicked me in the balls, I still wouldn't know who he was.

that may be the single reason why boston has the best baseball fans in the world.

HEY! Don't lump me in with them.
I'm from Philly.

[Dryden]

If ron Santo ran up to me and kicked me in the balls, I still wouldn't know who he was.

that may be the single reason why boston has the best baseball fans in the world.

HEY! Don't lump me in with them.
I'm from Philly.

I think it's pretty well established that Phily has some of the worst baseball fans in the world.  Of course, if I had to watch the Athletics, followed by the Phillies for the vast majority of their history, I'd be pretty pissed off, too.  I liked Peter Gammons' comment, though:  "Whomever designed that park in Philadelphia was an idiot. The home-road run numbers are the same as Coors Field."

[TβG]

If ron Santo ran up to me and kicked me in the balls, I still wouldn't know who he was.

that may be the single reason why boston has the best baseball fans in the world.

HEY! Don't lump me in with them.
I'm from Philly.

were you aware that he has no legs?

[BDawk]

If Ron Santo has no legs, then I take back my statement about him not being in the hall. I challenge anyone to play as well as he did with no legs.

Seriously, if he has no legs--I'd really like to see him try to kick me in the balls. I'd beat his ass.

[Dryden]

If Ron Santo has no legs, then I take back my statement about him not being in the hall. I challenge anyone to play as well as he did with no legs.

Seriously, if he has no legs--I'd really like to see him try to kick me in the balls. I'd beat his ass.

He seriously has no legs.  He played his entire career with diabetes.

[BDawk]

I think it's pretty well established that Phily has some of the worst baseball fans in the world.  Of course, if I had to watch the Athletics, followed by the Phillies for the vast majority of their history, I'd be pretty pissed off, too.  I liked Peter Gammons' comment, though:  "Whomever designed that park in Philadelphia was an idiot. The home-road run numbers are the same as Coors Field."

We are bitter. We're sick of losing and would rather stab our hitters than cheer.
Don't take the field away. It's a nice park and that's about th only reason to go to the games lately.
Well, at least we've won the Series more recently than the Cubs.

[Dryden]

The phrase "decades of mediocrity" could be applied to the Phillies and Athletics (since the 30s, anyway), except that other than the one series they won, it's mostly "decades of complete and utter shit".

[RedBarron]

I encourage all baseball fans to watch 'This Old Cub" on July 16 on WGN.   It is a truely touching story that details Santo's career and bout with Diabetes.  Hall of Fame or not, it's a great story of how he overcame substantial odds to have a great career and how he copes - dailey- with the affliction of diabets and not having legs.

[TβG]

Well, at least we've won the Series more recently than the Cubs.

BOW:  Burn of the Week

[Dryden]

Well, at least we've won the Series more recently than the Cubs.

BOW:  Burn of the Week

Why?  Isn't that the standard comeback to a Cubs fan, no matter what the discussion is about?

[Kane]

Rickey may go in as an Athletic, but he will always be a Surf Dawg in my heart...

I'd like to see Rickey go in wearing a hat with a picture of himself on it.