My 30 Team Challenge

[Turd]

Well, that's the thing, I'm used to finding people by using AIM...we could use the chat feature on the forum here...

Normally there's a host and a cllient, the host gives the client his IP address and then you connect...I'll head into the chat area...

[Turd]

Played an online game with Attez tonight, tight match most of the way...but then someone on my team jacked a 2-run shot.  I say someone because it was at the bottom of the my order and I was so shocked it wasn't Braun or Fielder that I forgot to look!  Man, felt great to play vs. a human...

[Attezz]

Pretty sure it was Zaun.

Fucking Gregg Zaun.

[Turd]

I think you're right...

No Name   R/L   Avg  HR Cnt Power Speed
=======================================
07 Zaun   LHB  .260   8  22   758   120

It's rare, but he's done it for me in my season before too...

[BeefMaster]

Game 11: Minnesota beats Florida 4-3, Perkins goes a complete game.

From here on I'm going to only use one reliever every game.

Why is Perkins on the Twins' pitching staff?  You mentioned Baker and Slowey in other posts - did Perkins get put in the bullpen?  I'd think Rauch, Neshek, and Mijares would all rank ahead of Perkins for the setup slot.

[Turd]

Baker and slowey are the two SP's. The #3 guy I always put in the official LR guy, and the #4 guy is the closer. I'd say the most gray area would the #3 spot. They aren't necessarily always their best pitchers. Of course it's all up for debate, and I'd be glad to hear any justification people have for roster changes.   

[Turd]

Also, after seeing the way Attez pitches, I can see why his pitchers are going full games. It's because he never takes them out. By the end of his game the guy is throwing really slow. Think about it. He took Perkins, a 20 stamina pitcher  through a full game. He said he averages 2 pitches a batter. That means he's getting 3-4 innings of non tired pitching out of him.

I do thinke he subbed him out in the 7th in our game though, and he started Baker, so
that sounds about right.

[Attezz]

I'll use more than one pitcher if it's close and I'm playing against a human, but against the computer it's cheating.

[Turd]

I don't think it's cheating to use more than one pitcher, just as long as it's only one starting pitcher. I struggle enough the way it is, if I had to take my sp through a complete game every time, I'd win a lot less. Try that vs. the Yankees! They kicked my ass.

[BeefMaster]

Baker and slowey are the two SP's. The #3 guy I always put in the official LR guy, and the #4 guy is the closer. I'd say the most gray area would the #3 spot. They aren't necessarily always their best pitchers. Of course it's all up for debate, and I'd be glad to hear any justification people have for roster changes.   

If you're giving the #3 guy 15 stamina most of the time, you might want to go with the setup man instead of the long reliever - the long reliever's usually a mop-up man, probably the team's emergency starter, and one of the last guys out of the 'pen in a close, low-scoring game (Perkins wasn't even on the Twins' active roster during the pennant race last year).  I could see using the long reliever if you want to give the guy extra stamina (since that'd be a more realistic use of the long reliever), but otherwise, the best players would probably be represented if you used the setup man instead of the long man.

[Turd]

I see your point, and after looking at my ratings, I realized I gave the long reliever 20.  

It went like this:

SP 1 & 2: Stamina rating based on actual IP/G and a pitch count per RBI inning value I decided upon
RP1: 20
RP2: 15 (or if the guy was a really good closer, maybe a few extra points of stamina to let you utilize a fastball or sinker

Stamina is something I went back and forth on for a long time, and settled on the method above.  If I gave the RP2 any more stamina, I'd have to lower the stamina of the SP1/2 across the board, as I wanted to make stamina preservation part of the strategy.

I could give the LR guy one extra inning of pitches and take an inning away from the SPs...or actually take away from the CLS...

I figured an average game would have the SP go 6 innings, the LR go 2, and the CLS go 1, although with a 15 stamina, the CLS is probably gonna go longer than 1 inning...perhaps a 40,40,25,10 baseline setup? And, if that's still too much overall stamina, I could knock the SP's down an inning's worth of pitches...care to weigh in on that?

Keep in mind, the original was on average a 40,40,15,15 stamina setup...

[Turd]

I guess the question is, what baselines would people prefer:

Scenario 1:
SP: 35
RP1: 25 (long relief)
RP2: 10 (closer)

Scenario 2:
SP: 40 (or 35?)
RP1: 20 (setup)
RP2: 10 - 15 (closer)

Remember, these are just baselines, I the SPs would for sure be tweaked on an IP/G basis...

Perhaps an even better question, just strictly going off of personnel preference, would you rather see the LR guy or the SU guy in the lineup.

[BeefMaster]

I'd vote for the 40-40-15-15 SP-SP-SU-CL setup, mainly to get the setup men into the game over the long relievers.  It would be an interesting change to RBI strategy, though, to have a higher-stamina setup man in there.

[Turd]

That means I gotta get to rating 30 new pitchers   That won't be hard though...it'll probably be more difficult to choose which setup man to pick for some teams...

[BeefMaster]

I'm not deeply vested in this, so don't go messing things up too thoroughly just on my account.  If you (or others) want to leave it as it is, I'm not going to delete the ROM and burn your house down or anything.

[Attezz]

If you (or others) want to leave it as it is, I'm not going to delete the ROM and burn your house down or anything.

Don't believe him, TecmoTurd, this is the same exact thing that Left Eye said.

[Turd]

Heh, nice...I know you're not deeply vested or anything, but you bring up a good point, and I'm committed to making it a great ROM.  I actually like your idea of putting the setup man in there...

If I really don't want to change it, I won't, but when you bring up a good, justified idea or suggestion, I'm all ears, brother...

[fknmclane]

If you (or others) want to leave it as it is, I'm not going to delete the ROM and burn your house down or anything.

Don't believe him, TecmoTurd, this is the same exact thing that Left Eye said.

I thought it was "oh shit, TREE!"

[Gantry]

wow

[Attezz]

Got some free time, wouldn't mind getting a game or two in