Using relief pitchers first

[capt_taco]

When I'm playing the computer, I've found it's almost *ALWAYS* better to start a relief pitcher instead of a starter... if you can squeeze a couple extra innings out of them, and it's a close game (which actually almost never happens anymore), you can bring in a starter in the 8th and have him ready to go several innings; the computer is down to just one relief pitcher, who wears out fast.

Against another person, this is almost suicidal, except that it may help to go starter-reliever-reliever-starter for the same reason above. Anyone else think this works, or is it just stupid?

[chubbrock]

Stupid.

[capt_taco]

Well... yeah. While this has great effectiveness if you're trying for a 10-0 season, I have serious doubts as to how it would work against a decent human player. (See related topic: Lack of quality opponents.)

I have the problem of having only the computer as an opponent most of the time for the past few years, so a lot of my tactics have unfortunately adapted to that... :sigh:

[JoeDirt]

I don't think it's stupid to do vs. a human opponent.  I think it's crafty.  If a team has a particular pitching match up at the top of their order and if the RP fits that match up better than the SP...

...but I'm not sure the point would be to save a starter for extra innings--be it a human or cpu opponent.

[TβG]

capt, i play against the computer all the time, and i do the same thing... usually i start the second-to-last pitcher in the list.  you do have to get creative when you have no one else to challenge you.  it's not uncommon for him to go a complete game either.... or of course, the 4 inning mercy.

[Shooty]

Unless you're trying to go for a perfect game or something, does it really matter what pitcher you use against the computer?  I just chuck it down the middle and let them hit the damn thing so at least I can get some fielding in.  

[Baines]

I've been known to give Donnie moore the occasional start for CA.  Of course their entire rotation sucks ass so in straight pitch it doesn't really matter who you send out there, you just hope Big Reg can outhit the other team.

[_13eoWuLF__]

Never use a reliver first I have done this many times and even though it can work the odds are against it. Heres my rules of pitchers and when they are in danger of giving up the booty.


One- anytime anyone for whatever reason gets on base. baserunners = equal danger even if they reach by error

Two- anytime changing pitchers. I call this the new pitcher booty factor another reason going with a starter is your best bet reason being maybe if he goes deep into the game you will only have to change pitchers once. Anytime any pitcher starter or reliver enters the game danger lurks.

Three- when a pitcher's speed drops and lossing his curve action. this is just a no brainer

Four- when a pinch hitter comes to bat. this is known as pinch hitter booty It doesn't matter if the guy batting has no power belive me he is almost allways juiced at least for 2 pitches in the count

Five- anytime a batter is juiced- this is not a scientific term and can't be quantifiable in any measure except soley in the gut of a RBI aficionado. There is a time in every game when an experienced RBI"er will know that if he hangs one the booty will be given.  

Sixth- Relievers will allways be prone to giving up the booty period. Sure pitching has alot to do with it but as a rule relif picthers can be touched with a quickness.


There are other factors involved in this game but these are the major ones that come to mind I am sure that straight pitching is more or less the same. But when you bring in a reliver you run the risk of changing pitchers way to fast  And if you are going a series with a buddy you don't have the abilty to use both relivers in one game.

[ultimate7]

Wow, I don't know where to start.  While I will rarely use a reliever to start, I have to respectfully disagree with just about everything said here.  The only thing I agree with is the juiced PH, which can be quantified as +64 power points.  The rest of this just sounds like nonsense.

[_13eoWuLF__]

well you can disagree but after playing the game all through high schoool I found these factors to be true.

[fknmclane]

I played four games of RBI last night.  I beat Chubbs in all four, all by one run.  The even more interesting thing is that I threw four complete games.

I see no logic behind starting Dayley when the legend John Tudor is available.  It makes zero sense.

[ultimate7]

What if you could throw 2 scoreless innings with Daley and the PH for him in the bottom of the 2nd, wouldn't that be better?

[_13eoWuLF__]

 IF IF IF -If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.  come on how many times is that going to happen?

[ultimate7]

I still just cannot base decisions on the logic

"Sixth- Reliver will allways be prone to giving up the booty period. Sure picthing has alot to do with it but as a rule relif picthers can be touched with a quickness."

I can't even traslate it.

[nightwulf]

Code Select Expand

                     <Ability> <--Speed-->
No Name   R/L ERA  Snk Curve Snk Crv Fst Sta Un1 Un2
======================================================
01 Tudor  LHP 1.28   4  7 11 140 180 189  40 114 142
03 Dayley LHP 2.66   3  3  7 153 173 198  15 139 147

It's certainly possible. You've got 15 pitches (less if you throw fastballs and/or sinkers) before Dayley's speed and sinker/curve abilities start to drop.

Pinch hitters do get a power boost in their first at bat only, and all pitchers gradually lose speed and sinker/curve abilities once their stamina is depleted. There is no information within the game engine to support relievers being worse than starters while stamina is above zero though.

Nightwulf

[_13eoWuLF__]

Look heres the thing if you want to start a closer go ahead. In my opinion it is allways better to use a starter.

Translate this - me giving you a finger ultimate7 because I don't have to agree with everything you say. the post was for fun and disscussion not anal geekoids such as you .

[nightwulf]

Well I'm certainly glad this thread has now entered the playground.

Nightwulf

[JoeDirt]

IF IF IF -If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.  come on how many times is that going to happen?

Who did I recently see on tv that said this?

[Stevo]

Never use a reliver first I have done this many times and even though it can work the odds are against it. Heres my rules of pitchers and when they are in danger of giving up the booty.


One- anytime anyone for whatever reason gets on base. baserunners = equal danger even if they reach by error

Two- anytime changing pitchers. I call this the new pitcher booty factor another reason going with a starter is your best bet reason being maybe if he goes deep into the game you will only have to change pitchers once. Anytime any pitcher starter or reliver enters the game danger lurks.

Three- when a pitcher's speed drops and lossing his curve action. this is just a no brainer

Four- when a pinch hitter comes to bat. this is known as pinch hitter booty It doesn't matter if the guy batting has no power belive me he is almost allways juiced at least for 2 pitches in the count

Five- anytime a batter is juiced- this is not a scientific term and can't be quantifiable in any measure except soley in the gut of a RBI aficionado. There is a time in every game when an experienced RBI"er will know that if he hangs one the booty will be given.  

Sixth- Relievers will allways be prone to giving up the booty period. Sure pitching has alot to do with it but as a rule relif picthers can be touched with a quickness.


There are other factors involved in this game but these are the major ones that come to mind I am sure that straight pitching is more or less the same. But when you bring in a reliver you run the risk of changing pitchers way to fast  And if you are going a series with a buddy you don't have the abilty to use both relivers in one game.

Bro, you really need to start making sense in your postings.  First off its "reliever", not reliver.  Also, do you have a high school education?

[Gantry]

No more hostility, everyone on this thread keep it civil from now on or we're locked...