editing batter speed

[cadinsor13]

I am working on a rom for me and a few friends to play with and I'm trying to keep it simple but consistent.  I have read a lot on these forums and have gotten some good ideas.  i will use players from the 8 playoff teams and the 2 next best records then we will have a draft and change the players.  So far I have:

CONTACT= 112-(Avg./3.125) and POWER= 340+Slg.(.9)+Avg.(.1)+(HR/AB)(100).

I know these are simple but they give good ranges.  I think I have an Idea for pitching and defense will be easy.  Batter speed is presenting a problem.  I don't like to use max and min values but see no way around it.  I am working with SB/game, T/game, GDP/game, and Avg. or obp.  No matter what I've tried there is either some people way to fast (like 160) or way to slow (100 or so).  I can't find anything on the forums regarding batter speed editing ideas, anyone use anything that is consistent?
                                                                 

[cadinsor13]

Oh, for contact and power, no decimals are used for Avg. and Slg. so BA of .330 is 330.

[BeefMaster]

I usually just make a guess based on what I know of the player when I edit ROMs, especially for speed.  GDP isn't a great stat for that, because there are some fairly fast players who ground into double plays a lot (Kirby Puckett led the league a few times, I think) because they hit the ball hard.

One big problem is that SBs are far more rare than they use to be, and that combined with the rarity of triples will leave you with lots of guys who have the lowest possible value for speed and only a few guys with anything useful.  I've played ROMs that base speed purely on SBs and 3Bs, and they're no fun because of everyone's horrible slowness.  If your friends are okay with it, you're probably better off just making educated guesses.

[ultimate7]

I hear Johnny Estrada is very fast

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

I personally don't think any stat can measure speed, you just have to go by what you know.

EDIT: EA Sports probably knows more than any of us, so I'd go off of MVP Baseball 2005.

[cadinsor13]

Thats a good idea, I hadn't thought of that

[Attezzobal]

MVP Baseball has Joey Gathright at 91 (I believe). Joey Gathright is the fastest person in baseball (probably the history of baseball). They also have David Newhan at around 70 (possibly lower), I contend that 70 speed in real life would prevent him from getting as many bunt singles as he does.

Although, none of that matters because who in the hell would use the D-Rays (even though they'd be quite an exciting team, all speed and Huff/Cantu) or Orioles.

[Dryden]

Joey Gathright is the fastest person in baseball (probably the history of baseball)

Please back this up somehow - yeah, he's fast, but the fastest player in the league?  Or ever?  Isn't that pushing it a little?

The real question is what speed represents in RBI - it affects how fast someone moves around the bases, and how well they steal bases.  If you go by straight steals, you have the problem that someone like Jeff Bagwell comes off as being a lot faster than he is.  Of course, if you don't make him faster than he is, he can't steal bases at all, so that's a problem, too.

I'd probably go with some kind of SB * SB% + 2B*2B/HR + 3B or something like that.  The 2B/HR term is a proxy for extra base speed that tries to remove long "almost HRs" that slow power hitters get while still crediting speedy guys who stretch singles into doubles.

[fknmclane]

I always thought Otis Nixon and Rock Raines were the fastest ballplayers ever, especially after they inhaled a couple 8 balls.

[Dryden]

You lose points for calling him Rock, you know.

[fknmclane]

You lose points for calling him Rock, you know.

I didn't.  But now I know. And knowing is half the battle.

Why exactly did I lose points, though?

[Dryden]

Because you're being an enabler.  Like calling Dwight Gooden "Doc", it just encourages their bad behavior, rather than letting them know they are loved for who they are without needing to put on a fake internet persona.

[Attezzobal]

Joey Gathright is the fastest person in baseball (probably the history of baseball)

Please back this up somehow - yeah, he's fast, but the fastest player in the league? Or ever? Isn't that pushing it a little?

Fastest ever is pushing it...However, Gathright has been considered the fastest in the D-Rays organization ever since he was drafted, including MLBers, an organization which boasts Carl Crawford (who, I believe is considered one of the 3 fastest, if not the fastest in the league, although Crawford actually appears a bit slower this year than years prior), and B.J. Upton.

Will Lingo (Of BA) considered Gathright the fastest player in the minors for the last year and a half (which included Freddy Guzman among others, and considering the Minors steal and run more, plus tend to be younger and faster than MLB on a whole, is definitely saying something)

Anyway, possibly not the fastest ever, but I stand by my statement as the fastest in baseball.

[Dryden]

That's a justifiable statement.

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

I cant argue.  Never heard of him.

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

I'd probably go with some kind of SB * SB% + 2B*2B/HR + 3B or something like that.  The 2B/HR term is a proxy for extra base speed that tries to remove long "almost HRs" that slow power hitters get while still crediting speedy guys who stretch singles into doubles.

Good foruma, does it work?  Has it been tested?

[fathedX]

I cant argue.  Never heard of him.

[Dryden]

I'd probably go with some kind of SB * SB% + 2B*2B/HR + 3B or something like that. The 2B/HR term is a proxy for extra base speed that tries to remove long "almost HRs" that slow power hitters get while still crediting speedy guys who stretch singles into doubles.

Good foruma, does it work? Has it been tested?

Why don't you try it out and let us know if it works.  Because if the players are too fast, the rom will start smoking and catch fire from their speed, which will make your computer catch on fire, which may burn down your entire house.

I should probably attach a warning label or something to the original post.

[TommyD (MrOJ)]

Anyone tried this formula or any of them?

[cadinsor13]

I was just thinking.  Maybe a good thing to do for batter speed would be to take all the speed ratings from Coleman's 148 to the 118's and just use whatever ratings to decide the fastest to the slowest of the players one is using for the rom and give the fastest 148, the next two fastest 146 and so on and the slowest ones will get 118.  That way there is noone that is too fast or too slow and the speeds will be balanced.