Help Jim Rice get in the Hall of Fame

[dvldog]

Here is his voting record (from the Hall of Fame's Website):
You need 75%
Rice's numbers seem to be declining slightly

Jim Rice
Year Election Votes Pct
1995  BBWAA  137  29.78  
1996  BBWAA  166  35.32  
1997  BBWAA  178  37.63  
1998  BBWAA  203  42.92  
1999  BBWAA  146  29.38  
2000  BBWAA  257  51.50  
2001  BBWAA  298  57.86  
2002  BBWAA  260  55.08  
2003  BBWAA  259  52.22  

[dvldog]

Bob Horner

Bob Horner
Year Election Votes Pct
1994  BBWAA  0  0.00  

Looks like you'll be pissed.... then again, Rice would have to get in: not making it is not making it, whether you have 74% and don't make it or 0% and don't make it.

Horner only played 10 seasons; only 6 of 100 or more games.

Solid career, and I didn't know much about him before I looked up his record - thanks for the motivation to look him up.

Horner is solid at best; but may be better described as a player who failed to reach his full potential - ROY syndrome?

[fknmclane]

I love how the HOF is such an opener of worm cans (how about that backwards cliche?)

[dvldog]

Rice has been the guy who is almost there, the last few years.  The next highest vote-getter has earned his induction.

[Glassjoe]

Speaking of great real life player but RBI suck ass player Andres Galarraga...an interesting fact about the Big Cat: was the only player in history of baseball to lead the league in both hits and strike outs in the same year.

[jaylums]

Is the veterens committee still in place?  I always saw it as the backdoor way for players like Jim Rice to reach the hall, for good or bad.

[fknmclane]

I hear Jim Rice likes the back door..."Busty Back Door Nurses," "Debbie Does the Back Door,"  etc.

[Reds]

I guess maybe my point was....voters are not only stupid, but blind....I mean if Rice were to get in, there are alot of guys deserving also....That is my point with Concepcion....The guy was without a doubt the best shortstop of his time...and no, he didnt have great numbers ever really...but was by far the best at his position defensively and offensively for over a decade and he won several championships....(And yeah, I think that would matter to a voter) but the guy isnt going to make the hall, and I think if Rice is deserving so is Concepcion, and about a hundred other guys that get looked over...

And the Veterans comitee is supposedly a bigger group of assholes than the voters....I mean the voters didnt vote sandberg is on first ballot because that should be reserved for the creme de le creme, but I am pretty sure that if the league office allows Rose reinstaement just for HOF purposes, the veterans comitee would be mostly split and he may not get in based on their decision....

Oh and first ballot is just pure shit....Dont they all end up with a plaque...and no where on the plaque does it say how many times it took him on the ballot before he gets voted in anyways...

Ahhhh the Hall..what a ridiculous concept, created only to force arguments....

[dvldog]

My faith was shattered today, when I learned that Rogers Hornsby was not a first-time inductee... There must be two Rogers Hornsbys because this is bullshit:

Rogers Hornsby
Year Election Votes Pct
1936  BBWAA  105  46.46  
1937  BBWAA  53  26.37  
1938  BBWAA  46  17.56  
1939  BBWAA  176  64.23  
1942  BBWAA  182  78.11  

[dvldog]

Here are some others who surprisingly did not make it the first time around... something must have happened in 1936.

Jimmie Foxx
Year Election Votes Pct
1936  BBWAA  21  9.29  
1946  BBWAA  26  12.87  
1947  BBWAA  10  6.21  
1948  BBWAA  50  41.32  
1949  BBWAA  85  55.56  
1949  BBWAA Run-Off  89  47.59  
1950  BBWAA  103  61.31  
1951  BBWAA  179  79.20

Hank Greenberg
Year Election Votes Pct
1945  BBWAA  3  1.21  
1949  BBWAA  67  43.79  
1949  BBWAA Run-Off  44  23.53  
1950  BBWAA  64  38.10  
1951  BBWAA  67  29.65  
1952  BBWAA  75  32.05  
1953  BBWAA  80  30.30  
1954  BBWAA  97  38.49  
1955  BBWAA  157  62.55  
1956  BBWAA  164  84.97

Nap Lajoie
Year Election Votes Pct
1936  BBWAA  146  64.60  
1937  BBWAA  168  83.58  

John McGraw
Year Election Votes Pct
1936  BBWAA  4  1.77  
1937  BBWAA  35  17.41  

Tris Speaker
Year Election Votes Pct
1936  BBWAA  133  58.85  
1937  BBWAA  165  82.09  

Hack Wilson
Year Election Votes Pct
1937  BBWAA  1  0.50  
1939  BBWAA  1  0.36  
1942  BBWAA  1  0.43  
1948  BBWAA  2  1.65  
1949  BBWAA  24  15.69  
1949  BBWAA Run-Off  12  6.42  
1950  BBWAA  16  9.52  
1951  BBWAA  21  9.29  
1952  BBWAA  21  8.97  
1953  BBWAA  43  16.29  
1954  BBWAA  48  19.05  
1955  BBWAA  81  32.27  
1956  BBWAA  74  38.34  
1958  BBWAA  94  35.34  
1960  BBWAA  72  26.77  
1962  BBWAA  39  24.38  

Cy Young
Year Election Votes Pct
1936  BBWAA  111  49.12  
1937  BBWAA  153  76.12  



i guess i get a little carried away...

[dvldog]

to be accurate/fair, Foxx and Wilson were both alcoholics and did not fulfill the character requirements

[BeefMaster]

Wilson also had an incredibly short peak - only 6 seasons in which he played as many as 135 games (in the others, he was barely over 100).  He's kind of like Roger Maris - one big year in which he set an awesome record, a few really good years, and not much else.

J.Rice, I've agreed with most of what you've said on this thread - I agree that the Hall of FAME should be more about fame and perception, not necessarily about objective greatness, although I don't disagree that the latter should play a very large part.

[BeefMaster]

By the way, has anyone else read Bill Simmons' column on the Hall of Fame from a couple years ago?  He proposes replacing the Hall with a pyramid, with players on levels representing their relative greatness throughout history.  It's actually a really cool idea, and he puts players on about the right levels, too.  Good read.

[dvldog]

J.Rice, I've agreed with most of what you've said on this thread - I agree that the Hall of FAME should be more about fame and perception, not necessarily about objective greatness

I don't think it SHOULD be based on this, but I am basing my ideas on how it is actually done.

I would base it on eras, statistics, achievements, and awards... among a few other things - that's just a vague idea, but I don't like the idea of the most "famous" being honored; I would rather it just be called the best players, and base it on stats in perception of other variables.

EDIT:  I like the Pyramid idea

Then again, we wouldn't have any discussion if that were the case.

[MarquisEXB]

The Keltner List for Jim Rice. Also an interesting discussion that follows. I would agree with the verdict.

[vgp100]

F Jim Rice.
He wasn't a stud long enough to be hall worthy.

[sucka free]

I personally do not think Rice is hall of fame worthy, BUT ever since the hall fucked up and let kirby puckett in as a 1st ballot I have lost all respect for the process.  If puckett can make it, then so should Rice.  Personally, both don't belong.

[vgp100]

I'd say Dale Murphy has to get in first.

[sucka free]

I'd say Dale Murphy has to get in first.

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[dvldog]

I would say Murph and Rice are pretty comparable... I would say both should get in.

The Hall is all fcked up, and I believe in exploiting its retardedness.