Help Jim Rice get in the Hall of Fame

[MarquisEXB]

Something nobody has mentioned is that Rice hit into an enormous number of double plays in his career, and hat few sacrifice hits.  He struck out a lot and didn't walk a whole lot to make up for it.  

He IS the only Red Sox player to collect 400 total bases in a season - probably due to the change from 154 to 162.

Is the Hall looking at that stuff?

1. The hitting into double plays is a bit disturbing.

2. Stiking out a lot doesn't mean a whole lot to me. A strike out has been shown to be just about the same as any other out.

3. His walk totals are low, at least for a LF.

4. No the people that vote for the hall, are most likely not looking at any of these numbers. All they see is: MVPs, W.S. rings, HRs, RBIs, BA, Hits. In that order.

Mike

[vgp100]

When you look at their offensive numbers, Parrish and Carter weren't too far apart.
Fisk is special because of his longevity, but his power numbers (at least on average) were not as good as Lance and Kid.

[dvldog]

2. Stiking out a lot doesn't mean a whole lot to me. A strike out has been shown to be just about the same as any other out.

Good points, I agree... BUT I think a flyball out shows more skill than a strikeout.  The strikeouts are not really all that high, so my point is pretty weak, but I think strikeouts show a lack of skillful hitting - pitchers get a lot of strikeouts, which is another point of view you may take.

You're probably right, just a piece of my perspective

[Reds]

In my opinion...I dont think it is a skill thing K'ing....like guys who K alot arent necessarily worse hitters....they are just less patient....They take cuts at alot of bad pitches, and usually get fooled by speed changes....Alot of great strikeout pitchers can change the speed on the pitches and make guys look jutst foolish...no matter how good a hitter is....

BUT in todays game...these guys that pitch in the four and five holes are essentially AAA or AA pitchers really...expansion has killed the talent pool pitching-wise....and that, steroids,  and all the other natural body building shit is why we've seen a power boom...long gone are the days of Greg Maddux type pitchers I fear...I think guys are getting called up JUST because they have an OK curveball and can throw 95...but cant hit their spots for shit....

Then again...thats just my opinion...I could be wrong....

[Briznock]

I think you should give Dennis miller a reference there asshole.  

And still... you can bad mouth the big leagues all you want.  But i still say you couldnt bat any better than .000 in a full season of 500 at bats.  I dont care what you say... you couldnt do it.  I might be able to get a hit or two, but thats because i am coordinated.  Unlike yourself.  

Anyway I feel like some Emulator RBI..
Catch you later.

[fknmclane]

We need more posts from Briznock.  Because he is coordinated.

[fknmclane]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=caple_jim&id=1696690

Great column from Mr. OffBase, Jim Caple.  The Goose should definitely be in as well as Blyleven.  Sandberg too.  He just needs to make sure he's leaves his tramp ho-bag wife at the door.

[MarquisEXB]

For the most part I agree with this column, the 80s are being overlooked with the big numbers that have been put up since. However I stand by the fact that Jack Morris should NOT be a HOFer.

There is an excellent article discussing the two here.

See that Blyleven pitched 1146 more innings, but walked 68 fewer batters. Even if we look at the other numbers, we see that Morris would have had to pitch for about 5 more years with Pedro Martinez's numbers to match Blyleven.

[Glassjoe]

That is very telling.

[dvldog]

I support Rice, but noted his strikeouts... I also support Blyleven, but must note that he gave up a ton of homers.