2010 HoF Ballot

[ryno]

Hawk for the Hall 2010. . . . do it, fuckers.

[bonny]

Alomar
Dawson


Blyleven
Larkin
Raines

[bonny]

Eligible but not on ballot:
Paul Abbott, Andy Ashby, Danny Bautista, Brian Boehringer, Darren Bragg, Dave Burba, Greg Colbrunn, Mike Fetters, Brook Fordyce, Karim Garcia, Tom Goodwin, Ricky Gutierrez, Jimmy Haynes, Sterling Hitchcock, Curt Leskanic, Josias Manzanillo, Brent Mayne, Mark McLemore, Scott Service, Chris Stynes, Scott Sullivan, Todd Van Poppel, John Vander Wal, Fernando Viña, and Turk Wendell.

7 played for KC

[TβG]

mike fetters had "the look" when he pitched from the stretch.  anyone remember that?  fernando vina got blasted by albert belle.  turk wendell had all the crazy superstitions and all the 9's in his contract.   mark mclemore was actually on the 86 angels team but didn't make the playoff roster, i don't think.  sterling hitchcock threw a no-hitter against the angels when he was with the pads.  todd van poppel, future halll of famer!

[Reds]

Barry Larkin.  Best shortstop of his generation by far. 

Should be first ballot.  But most surely wont because baseball is a fucking scam.

[ryno]

Larkin will get in 1st ballot. . . he has the stats and the intangible stuff

[bonny]

Alomar before Larkin

I think Larkin and Bert will have to wait another year. They deserve in, but the voters suck. Just look at Raines.

[bonny]

2011
Wilson Alvarez, Carlos Baerga, Jeff Bagwell, Bret Boone, Kevin Brown, Cal
Eldred, John Franco, Juan Gonzalez, Marquis Grissom, Bobby Higginson, Charles Johnson, Al Leiter, Tino Martinez, Raul Mondesi, Jose Offerman, John Olerud, Rafael Palmeiro, Paul Quantrill, Steve Reed, Kirk Rueter, Rey Sanchez, Benito Santiago, B.J. Surhoff, Ugueth Urbina, Ismael Valdez, Larry Walker, and Dan Wilson

[Nacho]

Alomar, Dawson, Blyleven, Larkin probably all deserve to be in.

[ryno]

493 homers

Hall of Famer

[Gantry]

McGriff definitely ain't a HOFer

[Shooty]

Larkin will get in 1st ballot. . . he has the stats and the intangible stuff

I don't think so.  He was good for a SS, but his stats aren't very impressive (especially given the era he played in).  Less than 200 HRs, under 1000 RBI, under .300 for his career.  Never had a 100 RBI season.  Only scored 100 runs twice.  He might have had the intangibles, but those aren't HOF stats for a guy that played 19 seasons.  He'll get in, but not first ballot.

[Brookensrules!]

Larkin will get in 1st ballot. . . he has the stats and the intangible stuff

I don't think so.  He was good for a SS, but his stats aren't very impressive (especially given the era he played in).  Less than 200 HRs, under 1000 RBI, under .300 for his career.  Never had a 100 RBI season.  Only scored 100 runs twice.  He might have had the intangibles, but those are HOF stats for a guy that played 19 seasons.  He'll get in, but not first ballot.

I agree with the Canadian fellow.  Piss on Larkin.

[fknmclane]

RAINES RAINES RAINES RAINES

[Barton]

Barry Larkin is my favorite player of all-time. That should be enough to get him in first ballot.

What, it's not? I would think that being the best offensive SS of his generation, the 1995 MVP award and the career stats would be enough.

Though I agree with what most people are saying here. While I think he deserves it, he likely won't get in first ballot. But he will be a hall-of-famer. And if I can at all pull it off, that'll be the only HOF induction ceremony I'll ever go to.

[edfan]

   G    PA     AB    R     H    2B 3B  HR    RBI  SB CS   BB    SO   BA   OBP SLG  OPS OPS+ TB  


2588 9686 8197 1229 2211 353 46 521 1555 26 22 1345 1550 .270 .374 .515 .889 147 4219

2360 9026 7927 1195 2232 423 55 475 1540 17 16  937  1936 .282 .360 .529 .889 147 4190  

2460 10174 8757 1349 2490 441 24 493 1550 72 38 1305 1882 .284 .377 .509 .886 134 4458


This is a statline comparison of Willie McCovey, Willie Stargell, and Fred McGriff respectively.  The only major difference is that Fred McGriff isn't named Willie.  Both McCovey and Stargell are in the HOF, so I don't see why McGriff would not be.  At one time, conventional wisdom would be that he had power, but not enough compared to McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc.  However, all of those guys have been exposed as steroid users.  McGriff put up HOF-ish numbers without any shadow of steroid use.  I think that the comparison to the guys who are already in + the lack of steroid scandal should get him in.  However, I would not be shocked if he does not make it.

[ryno]

  G    PA     AB    R     H    2B 3B  HR    RBI  SB CS   BB    SO   BA   OBP SLG  OPS OPS+ TB  


2588 9686 8197 1229 2211 353 46 521 1555 26 22 1345 1550 .270 .374 .515 .889 147 4219

2360 9026 7927 1195 2232 423 55 475 1540 17 16  937  1936 .282 .360 .529 .889 147 4190  

2460 10174 8757 1349 2490 441 24 493 1550 72 38 1305 1882 .284 .377 .509 .886 134 4458


This is a statline comparison of Willie McCovey, Willie Stargell, and Fred McGriff respectively.  The only major difference is that Fred McGriff isn't named Willie.  Both McCovey and Stargell are in the HOF, so I don't see why McGriff would not be.  At one time, conventional wisdom would be that he had power, but not enough compared to McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc.  However, all of those guys have been exposed as steroid users.  McGriff put up HOF-ish numbers without any shadow of steroid use.  I think that the comparison to the guys who are already in + the lack of steroid scandal should get him in.  However, I would not be shocked if he does not make it.

agreed

[BeefMaster]

Larkin will get in 1st ballot. . . he has the stats and the intangible stuff

I don't think so.  He was good for a SS, but his stats aren't very impressive (especially given the era he played in).  Less than 200 HRs, under 1000 RBI, under .300 for his career.  Never had a 100 RBI season.  Only scored 100 runs twice.  He might have had the intangibles, but those aren't HOF stats for a guy that played 19 seasons.  He'll get in, but not first ballot.

"Intangibles" aside, he put up a .371 OBP with power from a defense-first position, while playing good defense, too.  He was easily the best shortstop in baseball for about a decade.

Also, it's depressing that people still think runs and RBI are actually useful ways to measure how good a player is.

[Gantry]

   G    PA     AB    R     H    2B 3B  HR    RBI  SB CS   BB    SO   BA   OBP SLG  OPS OPS+ TB 


2588 9686 8197 1229 2211 353 46 521 1555 26 22 1345 1550 .270 .374 .515 .889 147 4219

2360 9026 7927 1195 2232 423 55 475 1540 17 16  937  1936 .282 .360 .529 .889 147 4190 

2460 10174 8757 1349 2490 441 24 493 1550 72 38 1305 1882 .284 .377 .509 .886 134 4458


This is a statline comparison of Willie McCovey, Willie Stargell, and Fred McGriff respectively.  The only major difference is that Fred McGriff isn't named Willie.  Both McCovey and Stargell are in the HOF, so I don't see why McGriff would not be.  At one time, conventional wisdom would be that he had power, but not enough compared to McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc.  However, all of those guys have been exposed as steroid users.  McGriff put up HOF-ish numbers without any shadow of steroid use.  I think that the comparison to the guys who are already in + the lack of steroid scandal should get him in.  However, I would not be shocked if he does not make it.

While it's a good point with the shockingly close numbers, you can't compare players of different eras with straight stats.  McGriff played in a powerful era and he simply wasn't at the cream of the crop among his peers imo.  The OPS+ is telling about the eras...

[ultimate7]

  The OPS+ is telling about the eras...

and the reason the crime dog is a half step behind the other 2