2010 HoF Ballot

[fathedX]

You'd better make a column for Larry Bowa as well.

[bonny]

I'd rather be pitching with Ozzie in the field.

[Shooty]

I'd rather be pitching with Onix Concepcion in the field.

[Gantry]

I'd rather be pitching with Onyx in the field.  Bacdafucup!

[JoeDirt]

Also...you wanna talk injustice...here is the statline for Ozzie Smith and Dave Concepcion.  Can you tell which is which?


G      PA     AB    R    H    2B  3B   HR  RBI  SB  CS   BB  SO    BA  OBP   SLG OPS
2488 9640 8723 993 2326 389 48 101 950 321 109 736 1186 .267 .322 .357 .679

2573 10778 9396 1257 2460 402 69 28 793 580 148 1072 589 .262 .337 .328 .666

Yeah, because you just told us that Smith's career BA is .262.  It wasn't difficult to take it from there.

[edfan]

Ha...I thought about that after I posted it.  Good sleuthing, Slylock Fox...now shut your face

[Nacho]

So, on average, Ozzie got to one more ball every three games that Concepcion didn't.  I would buy that.  There's more to it than that due to other factors, but for my limited mind, that works.

Imagine if a player has one more hit than another player every three games.  (Essentially, that meant Ozzie was taking away one more hit every three games.)  That's the difference between a guy getting 180 hits/year and 235 hits/year.  That's a big difference.

[fightonusc]

55 hits a year? It's almost the difference between hitting like Ozzie Smith and hitting like someone who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame!

[Nacho]

Exactly.

[Nacho]

I'd also note that Ozzie had well over 2000 more assists and 1000 more putouts than Larkin, and they both played 19 seasons.

[Reds]

But almost identical putouts strangely enough.

[Shooty]

I'd also note that Ozzie had well over 2000 more assists and 1000 more putouts than Larkin, and they both played 19 seasons.

But almost identical putouts strangely enough.

[Reds]

Reading comprehension Is great!

[Reds]

My point being
1.  im a complete idiot.
2.  No one in their right mind would choose Smith over Larkin based on those numbers.  1 putout every 3 games for all those better batting numbers?
3.  Profit.

[Nacho]

2.  No one in their right mind would choose Smith over Larkin based on those numbers.  1 putout every 3 games for all those better batting numbers?

So, on average, Ozzie got to one more ball every three games that Concepcion didn't.  I would buy that.  There's more to it than that due to other factors, but for my limited mind, that works.

Imagine if a player has one more hit than another player every three games.  (Essentially, that meant Ozzie was taking away one more hit every three games.)  That's the difference between a guy getting 180 hits/year and 235 hits/year.  That's a big difference.

I'd say taking an extra hit away every three games (about 55 or so on a season) is about the equivalent of getting an extra hit on offense every three games, no?

[fknmclane]

You can't possibly think every one of those would have been a hit if Ozzie wasn't out there.

[Reds]

Mclane has half a mind,

Nacho not so much.

[Nacho]

Maybe not every one.  Maybe the 2b grabs a few.  But the vast majority of those are hits if he doesn't grab them, and that doesn't count the extra putouts that he also gets to.

[nomaaa]

there are probably 25 shortstops i could think of off the top of my head that i'd rather have than ozzie.

maybe it's the sabremetrics talking, but i feel like defensive numbers can be highly overrated in many contexts. and this is coming from someone who got by with a solid glove, decent speed, and warning track power.

[nomaaa]

all things considered, however, and all numbers aside, ozzie definitely deserves to be in the hall of fame. i really think that the hall should be less about numbers and more about the player you are remembered as. of course, the typical milestones should guarantee some players, but a dynamic player like ozzie (media hype or not) is a guy who is very important to the game of baseball.  the whole fact that any type of person can be a baseball player is modeled by ozzie. he's a goofy black dude with some nasty range and a flashy attitude. hell fucking yeah the guy rules.