RBI Mexico

[cafetero]

Hi, I'm posting some RBI roms I made from Mexican League. The stats are from 1979 season when there were 20 teams, so it was easy to split it in two roms. Also, this was for many people the last GOOD season of Mexican League, the next year came a Players' strike which shortened the season and complicated the future of the League. I highly suggest to MLB-PA to read about the topic (Mexican Baseball Players' strike in 1980) and learn some of the risks of a long strike.

The teams are grouped by North Zone and South Zone. I suggest looking in the "South" ROM for Yucatan (Yu) team, you might find a little surprise in the pitchers.

I tried to create the feeling of the overall mexican league: weak hitters, slow runners, great pitchers.

Any comments would be appreciated.

[Gantry]

According to the Wikipedia


"The Mexican League is a minor league baseball league which operates in Mexico. The league is considered on the same level as the AAA leagues the International League and the Pacific Coast League, even though the teams do not have working associations with Major League Baseball teams. The league is divided into two divisions, the Zona Norte and the Zona Sur."

What exactly does minor league mean then?  Is this a professional league or is it a developmental league with mostly youngsters?  I know Fernando and Julio Franco were members at some point....

Sorry this isn't exactlyabout your ROM yet, will play it shortly.   Most of us know very little of the Mexican League and wouldn't mind know a little more about it.  Mind if I put it on the ROMs Page?

[cafetero]

There is no problem with me putting the roms in the rom section.

The Mexican League is a profesional league which plays during summer, its main goal (and income) is developing local talent to sell it later to Major League clubs. Almost all mexicans who have played in MLB played in the beginning and/or the dawn of their careers here. IMO the level of the league as a whole can be compared to International and Pacific Coast leagues. Big names such as Pedro Guerrero, Julio Franco, Rico Carty and Diego Segui played here.

The main teams are Mexico Red Devils, Puebla Tigers (formerly Mexico Tigers) and Monterrey Sultans. In the roms, other major teams are Puebla, Cordoba, Juarez and Saltillo.

Mexican Pacific League plays in winter in northwest Mexico. It has the best players from the summer Mexican League alongside Major Leaguers who do not want to be inactive during winter or want to improve their level. The champion of that league plays in Caribbean Series. Fernando Valenzuela is currently playing with Mexicali Eagles from that league.

In other posts I'll talk about the Golden Age during the forties and the 1980 strike.

[Gantry]

Good stuff cafetero, thanks!  Here is a good writeup on the Mexican league.  

So if the good summer league players and MLB'ers play in the winter (Pacific) league, does that make it more competitive than the standard one?

[cafetero]

Good stuff cafetero, thanks!  Here is a good writeup on the Mexican league.

It has a really good writeup, and summarizes it plenty. But it has a couple of inconsistencies.  

First of all, the first Mexican League was not that of Pasquel, that was the second one. The first one went from 1925 to 1939, and ended when most of their teams tried to form another league but failed. One of those teams were the Cordoba Coffee Dealers, or Cafeteros in spanish, hence my nick since I was born there. The second encarnation of the Cafeteros was one of the Mexican League powerhouses during the seventies.

They also omited the ANABE League which was created after the 1980 strike, and ended in 1986. That league is a prime example of why in a confrontation between star players and owners, the owners have more chances of surviving.

So if the good summer league players and MLB'ers play in the winter (Pacific) league, does that make it more competitive than the standard one?

That's true to a extent. That league has always sold itself as an exhibition one, so you see a higher level of baseball, but the season is much shorter and obviously can use players not available to Mexican League when that League has its season.

That's the same in Puerto Rico and Dominicana, where in winter you see the Caribbean MLB stars playing there.

[fathedX]

Dee-Nee goes international.  Nice!  Cafetero, are you in Mexico?  I ask because I can't help but notice your English is better than 90% of us on this board.

[cafetero]

Yes, I live in Monterrey, in Northern Mexico. Well, I've always considered my english as not a very good one, but thanks.

[rastein]

I don't want to EVER see the words RBI and Mexico together ever again. It makes me want to hang myself.

[BeefMaster]

Yes, I live in Monterrey, in Northern Mexico. Well, I've always considered my english as not a very good one, but thanks.

You obviously have never visited the "Anything Goes" portion of this forum.

Nice work on the ROM, too.

[JoeDirt]

I don't want to EVER see the words RBI and Mexico together ever again. It makes me want to hang myself.

...kind of a dick thing to say...

I think this kicks ass!  We now have representation in Mexico, Germany (Dove) and wasn't there a Japan rep here?  ...oh, and I think GeenaDavis did some time in Amsterdam, maybe?

[TecmoGuy]

Lets get an Amsterdam Rom.  Players run slow as hell, hit and pitch like shit.  Pitchers have 1 endurance

[Blyleven_No-No]

Hey RaStein, go fuck yourself.  Gantry, I think that RaStein should be kicked off the forum for good.

This is a place where we may delve into racial issues, examine the non race of any of the RBI Baseball players, but we always do so with a sensitivity.

RAStein makes a very offensive and very racist post, belittling our RBI brethren to the South.

Cafetero, please know that you are more than welcome on this board, I love to see your passion for RBI Baseball mesh with your national pride for the Mexican League, I think it is a beautiful thing.  I for one am going to do some research about the players strike of 1980 thanks to your posting.

Gantry, please do something about this including deleting RaStein's posting, I have never seen him contribute before and I don't think we will miss him.  I think we would miss Cafetero however, his RBI passion is as unquestioned as his pride in his people.

Thanks for the contribution Cafetero!!  It is important that you know that we do not condone those racist sentiments.

[ultimate7]

I agree that cafetero contribution has been great and hope he continues posting.

I'm not so sure RaStein's post is racist, maybe he got sick in Mexico from drinking too much and doesn't want to remember it.  I think he should at least get a chance to explain his post, it is quite odd.

[fknmclane]

Yeah, I'm not so sure rastein's post was meant to be offensive.  He should definitely get a chance to explain himself.  Maybe he had a bad experience in Mexico and doesn't want something as pure as RBI to be tainted with memories of his bad experience.

[JoeDirt]

However, on a related note: is there anyway we can shut fknmclane up for good?  

[Blyleven_No-No]

I hear what you are saying, but I am not buying it, we'll see if he posts something else but i bet it is something ignorant if he does.

Esperamos que quedes Cafetero!!!

[Briznock]

On behalf of rastein I would like to say that there are some bad ties between mexico and our entire town here.  I too believe that RBI is too precious to be tainted by what we see as "bad".

I vote against banning him.

P.S.   He is the only person around here that I can have good games of RBI with.

[ultimate7]

On behalf of rastein I would like to say that there are some bad ties between mexico and our entire town here.  

Can you expand on this?  Were jobs lost to Mexico?

[Blyleven_No-No]

His posting was disrespectful to the culture of Cafetero, please remove the posting and rastein from the board, we have not seen other instances in this great RBI forum where someone was treated a certain way because of where they are from, now I am feeling more offended following this explanation from Briznock.

We need to be inclusive here, that means welcoming all nationalities, races, and creeds who love RBI, and obviously Cafetero has a real passion for the game.

Gantry, please weigh in on this.

[cafetero]

Hey guys, thanx for all the posts, but I think everyone has a right to express an opinion, as long as that opinion is sustained. Also, I hope more comments on the ROM, specially if I was successful in achieving the effect I tried to make in the rom.

If rastein has reasons to not like the words RBI and Mexico together, well, let him be, he may be missing good roms in the future.  

Blyleven_No-No: Believe me, there is almost no material regarding the 1980 strike in Mexican League. Even after twenty-five years after the events, and with the main "villain of the novel" dead, the topic is still spoken in whispers. The main source of info if you don't know anything about the topic is this PDF which is in english: http://www.aafla.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH1995/JSH2202/jsh2202c.pdf
Like many things regarding many topics in Mexico: the foreigners make more research about them. I'm warning you, some things in the document will leave you speechless, but unfortunately that's the way of doing things in Mexico EVEN TODAY in some areas.