Five Worst Players in RBI

[Stock]

I rarely use CA myself...

That's a shame. CA might not be glamorous, but they can really put a hurtin' on the best of teams out there. If you use their bench correctly, everyone in the order is capable of going yard. I've had several games where every hitter (1-8) hits a bomb.


A lot of people have mentioned streaky hitters? Do you guys think there's more to it (getting bad swings, pitching matchups, etc...) or do you think there's something with the game that decides that Carter just isn't going to go yard in a particular game(s)? I've noticed a ton of streaks lately, Hernandez and Teufel have been tearing it up while Carter and Straw have been weak. Also, I've been going yard with Coleman and Smith fairly regularly after not hitting a bomb with Smith for like 10 years.

You bring up an interesting point.  I don't think the makers of the game put that much logic in the code (since I believe everything runs off of a random number generator).  However, I have often wondered how good of a random number generator was used for this game (back in the late 80s).  For example, Microsoft Excel has a very shitty random number generator which can likely give long strings of (non-random looking) numbers in a row.
Other softwares such as @Risk (which are built more for simulations) have very good number generators.

A poor number generator can give a feel of having very streaky players.
This idea first came to mind a few years ago when I noticed how streaky McGwire is.  There have been countless games where I have gone 0-5 with him (and this is in straight pitch).  I have also had several 5-6 home run games with him.

Maybe Nightwulf would have more insight on this?

[Nails]

I rarely use CA myself...

That's a shame. CA might not be glamorous, but they can really put a hurtin' on the best of teams out there. If you use their bench correctly, everyone in the order is capable of going yard. I've had several games where every hitter (1-8) hits a bomb.

It's mostly due to the fact that I rarely get to play real people.  I usually use the underdogs when playing the CPU (Mets, Astros, Cards).

[Gantry]

I rarely use CA myself...

That's a shame. CA might not be glamorous, but they can really put a hurtin' on the best of teams out there. If you use their bench correctly, everyone in the order is capable of going yard. I've had several games where every hitter (1-8) hits a bomb.


A lot of people have mentioned streaky hitters? Do you guys think there's more to it (getting bad swings, pitching matchups, etc...) or do you think there's something with the game that decides that Carter just isn't going to go yard in a particular game(s)? I've noticed a ton of streaks lately, Hernandez and Teufel have been tearing it up while Carter and Straw have been weak. Also, I've been going yard with Coleman and Smith fairly regularly after not hitting a bomb with Smith for like 10 years.

You bring up an interesting point. I don't think the makers of the game put that much logic in the code (since I believe everything runs off of a random number generator). However, I have often wondered how good of a random number generator was used for this game (back in the late 80s). For example, Microsoft Excel has a very shitty random number generator which can likely give long strings of (non-random looking) numbers in a row.
Other softwares such as @Risk (which are built more for simulations) have very good number generators.

A poor number generator can give a feel of having very streaky players.
This idea first came to mind a few years ago when I noticed how streaky McGwire is. There have been countless games where I have gone 0-5 with him (and this is in straight pitch). I have also had several 5-6 home run games with him.

Maybe Nightwulf would have more insight on this?

See this thread:

http://forums.dee-nee.com/index.php?topic=3390.msg42515#msg42515

[Stock]

So is the random number generator a good one or a bad one?

[nightwulf]

It's not really relevant, unless the RNG is spitting out similar numbers over (very, very) long durations of time. The "randomness" of the game comes both from use of a RNG and the "humanness" of the player. The routine runs sixty times a second, and runs again any time a random number is actually needed.

So, something like observing that McGwire is streaky is not likely to be an RNG issue at all. In between his at-bats, the RNG seeds have been rotated once for each time a random number was needed, and rotated (sixty * number of seconds since he last came to bat). Unless the RNG is returning similar numbers over very long durations (easily thousands of iterations) it's not likely.

Nightwulf

[JoeDirt]

I forget, why do you dickwads sign your posts, as if the originator of the post isn't named in the upper left hand corner of every single post?

JoeDirt

[PHole717]

I forget, why do you dickwads sign your posts, as if the originator of the post isn't named in the upper left hand corner of every single post?

JoeDirt

I can only hope that you are mocking him.

[RedBarron]

you people are the ghayest homosexuals ever to bang assholes


ryno

[nightwulf]

I forget, why do you dickwads sign your posts, as if the originator of the post isn't named in the upper left hand corner of every single post?

JoeDirt

Probably for the same reason that you feel it's necessary to incessantly bitch about it.

Nightwulf

[Nails]

Nightwulf has character.

[ultimate7]

I forget, why do you dickwads sign your posts, as if the originator of the post isn't named in the upper left hand corner of every single post?

JoeDirt

I can only hope that you are mocking him.

The only thing we know for certain is that he cheated while making that post.

[JoeDirt]

I forget, why do you dickwads sign your posts, as if the originator of the post isn't named in the upper left hand corner of every single post?

JoeDirt

I can only hope that you are mocking him.

Duh.  Of course I was.

Probably for the same reason that you feel it's necessary to incessantly bitch about it.

I'm not bitching about it at all--just asking the question.  And even so, "incessantly" might be a tad strong, seeing as I've asked the question a total of two times.

JoeDirt

[fightonusc]

Nightwulf has character.

Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character

The Wolf

[BDawk]

I forget, why do you dickwads sign your posts, as if the originator of the post isn't named in the upper left hand corner of every single post?

JoeDirt

Bananas are a wonderful fruit.


Bdawk

[PHole717]

I forget, why do you dickwads sign your posts, as if the originator of the post isn't named in the upper left hand corner of every single post?

JoeDirt

Bananas are a wonderful fruit.


Bdawk

Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring: Banana Phone!!!

PissHole

[Wilfong]

Walling stays in because I hate Hatcher (and he's a righty) and at least Doran and  Assby have to come out. Sometimes Reynolds does too. I'll take my chances with Walling over those guys - even though Denny is one of the worst in the game, I can get an occasional bomb from him and he has the advantage of being a lefty.

Walling should come out, and you should leave "Assby" in.  He is also a lefty and has 27 more power points than Walling-not terrible for the 8-spot.  Ideally your 3 hitter should be your best overall hitter, and by leaving Walling in, he is your worst overall hitter.
May I suggest:  Lopes, Cruz, Garner, Davis, Bass, Thon, Reynolds, and Ashby for your line-up.  You will still have 4 lefties in your line-up and you would have the second best power hitter on Ho in the 3-spot.

Juribe
Walling
Brett
Galarraga
Gagne

See above... Walling is an absolute piece of RBI shit, and should never bat in the line-up.
Juribe, doesn't deserve to stay in the line-up either, as far as I can see.

I played w/Houston yesterday and lost. I couldn't remember your lineup, so I pulled Assby and put in Puhl instead. Maybe tonight I can use your lineup.

What's the reasoning for going with Thon instead of Puhl at 6? I generally have more success with TP, but maybe Thon's power numbers are better?

[Stock]

Walling stays in because I hate Hatcher (and he's a righty) and at least Doran and  Assby have to come out. Sometimes Reynolds does too. I'll take my chances with Walling over those guys - even though Denny is one of the worst in the game, I can get an occasional bomb from him and he has the advantage of being a lefty.

Walling should come out, and you should leave "Assby" in.  He is also a lefty and has 27 more power points than Walling-not terrible for the 8-spot.  Ideally your 3 hitter should be your best overall hitter, and by leaving Walling in, he is your worst overall hitter.
May I suggest:  Lopes, Cruz, Garner, Davis, Bass, Thon, Reynolds, and Ashby for your line-up.  You will still have 4 lefties in your line-up and you would have the second best power hitter on Ho in the 3-spot.

Juribe
Walling
Brett
Galarraga
Gagne

See above... Walling is an absolute piece of RBI shit, and should never bat in the line-up.
Juribe, doesn't deserve to stay in the line-up either, as far as I can see.

I played w/Houston yesterday and lost. I couldn't remember your lineup, so I pulled Assby and put in Puhl instead. Maybe tonight I can use your lineup.

What's the reasoning for going with Thon instead of Puhl at 6? I generally have more success with TP, but maybe Thon's power numbers are better?

Sometimes I use Puhl in the 6 spot too.  Generally, I use Thon just because he has a little bit better power numbers (783 vs 768).  However, Puhl is faster (136 vs 132) and a lefty.  If you are playing a seasoned ATG player, Puhl is probably your man.

Edit:  Just went and looked at my player power rankings.  I actually have Puhl ranked 86th and Thon ranked 87th.  Maybe I should listen to my own rankings and start using Puhl more often.

[Wilfong]

you have all the players ranked in each category? that's quite impressive. i think Puhl might be the man for the 6 hole, but he can also be a valuable PH late in the game - kind of like how I wait until it's a super clutch situation late in the game to use Oquendo on the Cards (he fueled a 6 run comeback in the 9th for me yesterday.

[Gantry]

I leave Doran with Cheese in the game.   To me, there is little difference between Puhl and Doran, so save Puhl for a clutch pinch-hit situation somewhere in the game.  It's like you are subbing out a guy for the same exact player...

[ultimate7]

I leave Doran with Cheese in the game. To me, there is little difference between Puhl and Doran, so save Puhl for a clutch pinch-hit situation somewhere in the game. It's like you are subbing out a guy for the same exact player...

Agreed